List Mgmt. Draft Discussion 2016

[SaintsSeptember]

Perhaps we identify the player we want , and get them to do whatever Curnow did to slide in his draft.

We can send Jake round with a few words of wisdom.

 

[cooperrules]

logue and acres in the guts i could live with that.

 

[bird_man]

So with GWS moving to 3, it is going to push us down the draft order as I can't see anyone bidding on one of their academy picks in the top two.

Freo downgrading though says they may well be interested in English though and believe he'll be available at 7, which would be good news. Bloody hard to say how it's all going to play out though.

A lot will depend on what GWS get for all the NEAFL players heading to Carlton. If they end up with 2 live picks I think they'd look at Logue for sure. English and Logue in the top ten means we'll end up with one of Taranto, Brodie, Aisnworth, SPS or Scrimshaw

 

[Glen Buterol]

Updated draft order with selections:

P1 - Ess - McGrath
P2 - Bris - McLuggage
P3 - GWS - Ainsworth
P4 - GC - SPS
P5 - GC - Bowes (Carl bid)
P6 - Carl - Taranto
P7 - Rich - Brodie
P8 - Freo - English
P9 - Port - Logue
P10 - StK - Scrimshaw

 

[St Pauls]

I'm warming to the idea of picking up Louge. What picks would we need to get him and Florent?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I'm warming to the idea of picking up Louge. What picks would we need to get him and Florent?

There are always sliders.

With being bumped down by GWS, I wonder what we do to go from 10 to 15 and 16 (ish)?

 

[Kilroy]

There are always sliders.

With being bumped down by GWS, I wonder what we do to go from 10 to 15 and 16 (ish)?

Just ask GWS for Steele and 16.
Then trade 16 for 2 picks in the second round.
Or take a slider at 16.
Simples.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Just ask GWS for Steele and 16.
Then trade 16 for 2 picks in the second round.
Or take a slider at 16.
Simples.

I'm a guts. Would love a second.

 

[JG22]

Steele for future 2nd
Mitchell for 10
Stevens for 49

We're gonna need to trade for another pick

 

[DGontheQT]

Channel 9 suggesting Dockers are going to target English with pick 7 , but my gut is telling me Ross Lyon would want someone who makes immediate impact like SPS. The Dockers picking English would be better for us if we keep pick 10

 

[Jade Buddha]

We can send Jake round with a few words of wisdom.

Let it be.....let it be

 

[JG22]

Channel 9 suggesting Dockers are going to target English with pick 7 , but my gut is telling me Ross Lyon would want someone who makes immediate impact like SPS. The Dockers picking English would be better for us if we keep pick 10

Sure would.

 

[Kilroy]

May I humbly suggest a possible needs-filling draft/trade shortlist?

Griffin Logue, Ollie Florent, Jy Simpkin or Shai Bolton at 16.
Steele for effectively 47 (downgrading 10 to 16).
Brennan Cox or Jack Maibaum (tall defenders), or one of Josh Begley, Brendan Parfitt, Corey Lyons or Myles Poholke at actual pick 47 ....
..... (if Logue taken earlier then go a mid or mid/fwd here)
Rookie Tom Williamson, Liam Ryan or Hamish Brayshaw
B-list rookie Mitch McCarthy (ruck/fwd)
Done.

It only counts as 2 picks inside top 30, if you include Steele. No other trades.
Keeps everyone except maybe Murdoch and Fisher (re-rookie him?), and keeps 2017 picks intact.
Includes a number of Sandy Dragons and indigenous prospects.

 

[Glen Buterol]

I just listened to the latest road to the draft podcast & a couple of things came out that could effect us.

- Berry rated 12-25 (around our range)
- Simpkin would've been top 10 if not injured, Witherden a possibly too (if we get a 20s pick could be good value picks)
- Freo likely to take English if avail (good for us)
- Port looking at a half back, Scrimshaw mentioned
- pick 1 race between two: McLuggage & McGrath
- Logue & Florent the standouts from the combine

 

[Barrels]

If we get any one of Logue, Florent, Simpkin or Witherden with our first I'm pretty damn happy.

Scrimshaw has bags of ability but leaves me a little cold, and would love Taranto but he's a remote chance.

Hanging for Begley at our third...


Joshua Begley

Medium Forward/Inside Midfielder | Upper Ferntree Gully/Eastern Ranges
3/07/98 | 187cm | 87kg
Player Comparison: Jake Stringer

Snapshot:

Josh Begley was a name on nobody’s lips at the start of the TAC Cup season. Initially missing the cut for the Eastern Ranges squad he went back to his junior club at Upper Ferntree Gully and dominated more seasoned opponents, forcing his way into the Ranges lineup from where he never looked back.

His strong form and potential versatility landed him an AFL National Draft Combine invite and he shapes as one of the genuine bolters of the 2016 class.

Strengths:

• Strong hands
• Body positioning and strength
• Work ethic

Begley’s six goal haul on debut followed bags of seven and six goals in the EFL Division 3 Seniors. Despite spending a significant portion of the middle and latter parts of the TAC Cup season in the midfield and high half forward roles, he kicked a very impressive 27 goals in only 15 games, and two in his one finals appearance.

Despite standing at ‘only’ 187cm, Begley is extremely strongly-built and when matched up on a medium defender, simply outmuscles them or beats them in the air with his strong marking. If matched up on taller defenders to counter his body strength, he can simply burn them off on the lead with a genuine turn of pace.

His kicking skills are also strong, with his goal kicking particularly solid, and some of his delivery out of midfield congestion sublime.

As a midfielder, he is very adept at using his body to advantage and comfortable getting his hands dirty in contested and tackling situations; notably, he averaged around 3.5 tackles a game despite significant time in the forward line, as well as averaging 17 possessions per game – of which nine were contested. Begley’s strong work in the midfielder allowed his swifter midfield counterparts clear access to the disputed ball through smart body work.

Improvements:

• Fitness
• Possession winning
• Midfield work

While players such as Jake Stringer and Tim Membrey have proved that you don’t need to be 195cm-plus to play as a key forward in the modern game, at 187cm Begley won’t be likely to spend time as a genuine spearhead at the next level. Perhaps in view of this, his coaches at Eastern challenged him to make the necessary changes to his body and game to play on the ball as a big-bodied contested bull. Begley responded, and in the absence of players like Melbourne Grammar’s Dylan Clarke in the middle of the season, he held together a depleted and light Ranges on-ball brigade. Begley is still very raw in this regard and there is a lot of fine tuning to go.

Equally, Begley’s body composition has dramatically altered – Eastern Ranges Talent Manager Len Villani notes that skinfolds went from 80 to 57. Begley did struggle to get to as many contests as he will need to in senior footy and will need to stick with the hard work that he has already begun if he wants to play significant midfield minutes and add strings to his football bow. With an improvement in these two areas it is hard not to see his possession counts improving as he gets to more contests and improves on the ‘spread’.

Summary:

Begley’s meteoric rise from missing the final Ranges squad to a Draft Combine invite and becoming key cog in a finals side that only went down the eventual premiers by two points has been nothing short of miraculous.

While his powerful forward game, surprising turn of speed and clear scope for improvement as a midfielder will see him gain plenty of admirers, he will have to impress at the Combine to go early, even with his clear potential.

Regardless of where he goes, it is clear that Begley will give himself every chance to succeed at AFL level, something that will no doubt make him a clear fan favourite in the years to come.

 

[Olliver]

If we get any one of Logue, Florent, Simpkin or Witherden with our first I'm pretty damn happy.

Scrimshaw has bags of ability but leaves me a little cold, and would love Taranto but he's a remote chance...

What's your order of preference for those four?

 

[Barrels]

What's your order of preference for those four?

Depends on who we think will be available afterward, because if we take Logue we'd want mids available.

Logue/Florent too hard to split, then Simpkin, then Witherden.

 

[borderbarry]

Logue might be a really good option. We could use him in defence until he develops a tank and Goddard is ready, then switch him to the midfield.
Although I always worry about the go-home factor with Sandgropers. Berry might be a better bet.

 

[NarrowMind]

Logue might be a really good option. We could use him in defence until he develops a tank and Goddard is ready, then switch him to the midfield.
Although I always worry about the go-home factor with Sandgropers. Berry might be a better bet.

IIRC it has been reported somewhere that he is a Saints fan. If true, this might help to alleviate some of the preemptive stress associated with the go home factor.

 

[St Pauls]

Depends on who we think will be available afterward, because if we take Logue we'd want mids available.

Logue/Florent too hard to split, then Simpkin, then Witherden.

What are your thoughts on Myles Polhoke and Jack Maibaum? Good later round picks?

 

[Ads734]

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What are your thoughts on Myles Polhoke and Jack Maibaum? Good later round picks?

oholke gonna be a very good player got lots of scope. Doesn't fumble strong and contested marking elite

 

[JG22]

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oholke gonna be a very good player got lots of scope. Doesn't fumble strong and contested marking elite

Who's Oholke?

 

[crasha301]

Bringing in steele & stevens we'd have to draft some kids with real speed. Gallucci & bolton?

 

[bergholt]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-13/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-october-edition

Based on that we're not in a good position. These are his rankings (not picks):

1: McLuggage
2: McGrath
3: Ainsworth
4: Brodie
5: Bowes (academy)
6: Petrevski-Seton
7: Setterfield (academy)
8: Taranto
9: Perryman (academy)
10: Scrimshaw
11: English
12: Marshall
13: Berry
14: Logue
15: Simpkin
16: Witherden
17: Venables
18: Florent
19: Gallucci
20: Bolton

So based on that, there's a good chance all the top pure mids are gone before our pick. (Not to mention three academy prospects which could make us more like 13).

Between 10 and 16 are talls who we don't need (English, Marshall), project players who might become mids (Scrimshaw, Berry, Logue), guys who barely played this year (Simpkin, Witherden). Then we're down to a bunch of inconsistent prospects (Venables, Florent, Gallucci, Bolton, etc).

If that's a roughly accurate guide then we should either trade down or up. A pick inside 10 would be great, but seems unlikely. So the other option is going up the order to have a couple of picks around 20 - we've had success with that in the past.

 

[Flandersss]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-13/callum-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-october-edition

Based on that we're not in a good position. These are his rankings (not picks):

1: McLuggage
2: McGrath
3: Ainsworth
4: Brodie
5: Bowes (academy)
6: Petrevski-Seton
7: Setterfield (academy)
8: Taranto
9: Perryman (academy)
10: Scrimshaw
11: English
12: Marshall
13: Berry
14: Logue
15: Simpkin
16: Witherden
17: Venables
18: Florent
19: Gallucci
20: Bolton

So based on that, there's a good chance all the top pure mids are gone before our pick. (Not to mention three academy prospects which could make us more like 13).

Between 10 and 16 are talls who we don't need (English, Marshall), project players who might become mids (Scrimshaw, Berry, Logue), guys who barely played this year (Simpkin, Witherden). Then we're down to a bunch of inconsistent prospects (Venables, Florent, Gallucci, Bolton, etc).

If that's a roughly accurate guide then we should either trade down or up. A pick inside 10 would be great, but seems unlikely. So the other option is going up the order to have a couple of picks around 20 - we've had success with that in the past.

Simpkin/Logue/Scrimshaw IMO