List Mgmt. Draft Discussion 2016

[screw the blues]

Bullshit campaigner. Serious?! Pick 3?! That would be a huge gamble. Surely they could downgrade their pick a few spots and get some decent value in doing so?

Fremantle this year got a big taste of what life is like without a good ruckman. I bet you the penny would have dropped for them on that. They could potentially get a SPS X- factor type in the second round , ie: Cedric Cox , Shai Bolton , but what they won't get then is a once in a generation ruckman. If they trade back , they better weigh up the risk and know who is doing what.

 

[JG22]

Pick 10 is looking like it could be a bit of a "no-mans-land" to me if we keep it and don't get lucky with what happens with GWS and Gold Coast's picks and the bids that come for those in their respective academies. ie, we'd be relying on them not trading up to 1/2 or out of the top 10 altogether.

If all of McCluggage, McGrath, Ainsworth, Brodie, Taranto, SPS and Scrimshaw are gone by 10 then it looks like a whole lot of meh remains, which is why I'm so keen on us trading up a bit, if we don't trade 10 for anything else of value.

The more I see of Marshall the more overrated he is to me, as he does about 1 or 2 good things in the games I see him play and nothing for the remaining 100 minutes and on top of that he's skinny as a rake and has narrow shoulders.

It's a real risk to draft him
Maybe a step too far for a top10 selection

 

[StCicatriz]

Fremantle this year got a big taste of what life is like without a good ruckman. I bet you the penny would have dropped for them on that. They could potentially get a SPS X- factor type in the second round , ie: Cedric Cox , Shai Bolton , but what they won't get then is a once in a generation ruckman. If they trade back , they better weigh up the risk and know who is doing what.

As much as i like english. Pick 3 is massive overs. If theyre keen on english they downgrade pick 3 IMO

 

[STK2020]

Im always one to push for high picks on kids but looking at this draft what we need could be gone . I would use pick 10 for obtaining a ready made contested ball winner and try load up on 2nd and 3rd round selections.

 

[JG22]

Im always one to push for high picks on kids but looking at this draft what we need could be gone . I would use pick 10 for obtaining a ready made contested ball winner and try load up on 2nd and 3rd round selections.

You take the best talent at 10
Would be silly to reach for someone who's just ready made

 

[aussierulesrules]

I think he means we should trade 10.

 

[STK2020]

You take the best talent at 10
Would be silly to reach for someone who's just ready made

Rather have a crack for Tom Mitchell tbh.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I reckon trade pick 10 almost for sure. Either to move up, or down (for an extra pick) in the draft, or for someone really good from another club.

 

[bird_man]

In a perfect world...

Ess - Luggage
Bris - McGrath
Freo - SPS
GC - Brodie
GC - Bowes (Carlton bid, use pick 6 traded from Richmond
GWS - Perryman (Carlton bid)
Carl - Ainsworth
GC - English
Port - Marshall
St K - Taranto or Scrimshaw

 

[Rors]

Does he walk on water?

No... But he turns water into wine

Top bloke

 

[bird_man]

Okay time for another top 10 phantom for shits & giggles..

Pick 1 - Ess - Mcluggage
Pick 2 - Bris - Mcgrath
Pick 3 - Freo - English
Pick 4 - GC - Scrimshaw
Pick 5 - GC - Bowes (Carl bid)
Pick 6 - Carl - Ainsworth
Pick 7 - Rich - Brodie
Pick 8 - GWS - Marshall
Pick 9 - Port - Taranto
Pick 10 - StK - SPS

Hypothetically, if English & Marshall don't go top 10, & the above mids/flankers are off the board, who do we take at pick 10? Could we pressure GWS draft points by bidding on all of McCready, Setterfield & Perryman? Or go Berry, Simpkin,Rotham or Logue who seem to be the next rung of talent?

That's without GWS having to use pick 7 on Perryman, which is a big possibility.

So basically we need 2 of 3 things to go our way.
1. English goes top ten (very likely)
2. Marshall goes top ten (likely)
3. Perryman is bidded on in the top 6 (possible)

Unless we are trading up in the draft I think wed be silly to give that pick up.

 

[bergholt]

That's without GWS having to use pick 7 on Perryman, which is a big possibility.

So basically we need 2 of 3 things to go our way.
1. English goes top ten (very likely)
2. Marshall goes top ten (likely)
3. Perryman is bidded on in the top 6 (possible)

Unless we are trading up in the draft I think wed be silly to give that pick up.

For the desired result Perryman has to be bid on at 5 or 6, you'd think unlikely to go earlier. If GC end up with 6 then they won't bid, seems accepted that the expansion clubs don't bid on each others' players. So Carlton have to bid on him at 5, otherwise we've struck out.

 

[aussierulesrules]

That's without GWS having to use pick 7 on Perryman, which is a big possibility.

So basically we need 2 of 3 things to go our way.
1. English goes top ten (very likely)
2. Marshall goes top ten (likely)
3. Perryman is bidded on in the top 6 (possible)

Unless we are trading up in the draft I think wed be silly to give that pick up.

But you're making one awfully big assumption there, and that's that neither Gold Coast or GWS trade any of their top 10 picks, either to move up to pick one or two (or even 3), or out of the top 10 altogether, which I reckon is pretty much zero chance of happening. I reckon they'd both have to be nuts to not make a big play for Brisbane's pick 2, at a bare minimum.

What happens for instance if Gold Coast trade Prestia for pick 6, leaving them with 4, 6 and 8, and then they trade say 6 and 8 for 2 and something else, leaving them with just 2 and 4 ahead of our 10, and neither whoever has pick 1 or 3 bids on Bowes? Then they could use both 2 and 4 on live, non-academy selections, leaving only GWS with a pick ahead of us that they might have to use on someone from their academy (if they haven't traded up to 1 themselves, or out of the top 10 altogether, in a swap of picks with another club, or whatever).

If we keep 10 we'd be relying on an awful lot falling into place for us to get one of the 7 mid/flank types that look like they'd be our best bets.

 

[bird_man]

For the desired result Perryman has to be bid on at 5 or 6, you'd think unlikely to go earlier. If GC end up with 6 then they won't bid, seems accepted that the expansion clubs don't bid on each others' players. So Carlton have to bid on him at 5, otherwise we've struck out.

It happened last year.

 

[bird_man]

But you're making one awfully big assumption there, and that's that neither Gold Coast or GWS trade any of their top 10 picks, either to move up to pick one or two (or even 3), or out of the top 10 altogether, which I reckon is pretty much zero chance of happening. I reckon they'd both have to be nuts to not make a big play for Brisbane's pick 2, at a bare minimum.

What happens for instance if Gold Coast trade Prestia for pick 6, leaving them with 4, 6 and 8, and then they trade say 6 and 8 for 2 and something else, leaving them with just 2 and 4 ahead of our 10, and neither whoever has pick 1 or 3 bids on Bowes? Then they could use both 2 and 4 on live, non-academy selections, leaving only GWS with a pick ahead of us that they might have to use on someone from their academy (if they haven't traded up to 1 themselves, or out of the top 10 altogether, in a swap of picks with another club, or whatever).

If we keep 10 we'd be relying on an awful lot falling into place for us to get one of the 7 mid/flank types that look like they'd be our best bets.

Then we try and trade up. If we trade down we give ourselves zero chance of getting one of those players. As the draft stands at the moment I'm fairly confident we'd end up with one, but if the draft order changes you might be right.

 

[crasha301]

Once gws and gc finish trading players for more picks inside the top 10 we'll be shit out of luck.

I reckon we should trade down.

 

[BarkerFan]

But you're making one awfully big assumption there, and that's that neither Gold Coast or GWS trade any of their top 10 picks, either to move up to pick one or two (or even 3), or out of the top 10 altogether, which I reckon is pretty much zero chance of happening. I reckon they'd both have to be nuts to not make a big play for Brisbane's pick 2, at a bare minimum.

What happens for instance if Gold Coast trade Prestia for pick 6, leaving them with 4, 6 and 8, and then they trade say 6 and 8 for 2 and something else, leaving them with just 2 and 4 ahead of our 10, and neither whoever has pick 1 or 3 bids on Bowes? Then they could use both 2 and 4 on live, non-academy selections, leaving only GWS with a pick ahead of us that they might have to use on someone from their academy (if they haven't traded up to 1 themselves, or out of the top 10 altogether, in a swap of picks with another club, or whatever).

If we keep 10 we'd be relying on an awful lot falling into place for us to get one of the 7 mid/flank types that look like they'd be our best bets.

this highlights why the draft rules as they stand are a total farce..

Not only do they get higher pick than their ladder position warrants to get their academy players, they also manipulate that advantage to also take high non-academy players without jeopising their hold on the academy players. This is NOT what the academy bidding system was brought in to do. The intention is not reflected in the reality of the implementation of the rules.

The AFL has created a loophole that you can drive a truck through and once again, we are going to be badly affected, pushing pick 10 back to possibly pick 13 and likely missing a player we rate highly because non-academy players end up at clubs that have academies.

They know about the loophole, they just dont care as it favours the academy clubs

 

[gringo2011]

this highlights why the draft rules as they stand are a total farce..

Not only do they get higher pick than their ladder position warrants to get their academy players, they also maipulate that advantage to also take high non-academy players without jeopising their hold on the academy players. This is NOT what the acedmy system was brought in to do

The AFL has created a loophole that you can drive a truck through and once again, we are going to be badly affected, pushing pick 10 back to possibly pick 13 and likely missing a player we rate highly because non-academy players end up at clubs that have academies

Loop hole suggests everyone can do it. They have corrupted the system to allow the interstates to have a free hit.

 

[BarkerFan]

Loop hole suggests everyone can do it. They have corrupted the system to allow the interstates to have a free hit.

I dont think "loophole" necessarily suggests or implies anyone can do it.. the rules were written to apply to the academy clubs... giving them an advantage... the loophole gives them an extra advantage on top of that

 

[aussierulesrules]

The whole thing is one big old farce.

 

[bird_man]

Once gws and gc finish trading players for more picks inside the top 10 we'll be shit out of luck.

I reckon we should trade down.

What deal would you suggest and who would we take with our later picks?

 

[crasha301]

What deal would you suggest and who would we take with our later picks?

Some have suggested the steele & pick 16 for pick 10.

If.we.get steele id look at getting an outside player maybe florent.

 

[Diehard Saint]

The whole thing is one big old farce.

Well as long as the CEOs of all the affected clubs sit back and let it happen, we'll continue to get shafted. There is no such thing as equalisation.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Some have suggested the steele & pick 16 for pick 10.

If.we.get steele id look at getting an outside player maybe florent.

Many people think Steele is not worth more than a second rounder. ( and now there's an injury to consider too). Why would we include our first pick? No way, for me.

 

[t_94]

Assuming no sliders I think Florent is the best fit at 10