Draft picks...

[pistol17]

Just wondering what everyone else's thoughts are on why Fremantle wont introduce any of their draft picks in on average about the first 2 seasons.

Other teams are keen to throw their young guys into the mix early to give them a taste of the AFL. Look at guys like Alwyn Davey, Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Walker etc, these guys were thrown into the firing line early to see what they had to offer. Im not saying if Fremantle played every draft pick they would play like the 3 players I have mentioned but i am saying they should be given a chance.

The eagles although they are not the best examples off the field, on the field they are good. Runner-Up and Winner of the GF in the last 2 seasons means they are doing something right. Look at the picks they have played: Priddis, Selwood, Mitchell Brown, Hurn, Rosa.

We will never know how the guys will play unless they get some game time. I know CC loves to give them experience but it seems they spend maybe too long in the WAFL.

I would like to see Warnock, Collard, Mourish, Ibbotson, Dunn etc given a go. Not all at once but why couldnt we play one ahead of say gilmore or now we have josh and des likely to go one of them.

Just my opinion anyway

 

[BK Eaglesfan]

Just wondering what everyone else's thoughts are on why Fremantle wont introduce any of their draft picks in on average about the first 2 seasons.

Other teams are keen to throw their young guys into the mix early to give them a taste of the AFL. Look at guys like Alwyn Davey, Bryce Gibbs, Andrew Walker etc, these guys were thrown into the firing line early to see what they had to offer. Im not saying if Fremantle played every draft pick they would play like the 3 players I have mentioned but i am saying they should be given a chance.

The eagles although they are not the best examples off the field, on the field they are good. Runner-Up and Winner of the GF in the last 2 seasons means they are doing something right. Look at the picks they have played: Priddis, Selwood, Mitchell Brown, Hurn, Rosa.

We will never know how the guys will play unless they get some game time. I know CC loves to give them experience but it seems they spend maybe too long in the WAFL.

I would like to see Warnock, Collard, Mourish, Ibbotson, Dunn etc given a go. Not all at once but why couldnt we play one ahead of say gilmore or now we have josh and des likely to go one of them.

Just my opinion anyway

Not trying to be funny here, but the main difference with the players you have mentioned is that they are Top 10 picks, or have come off the rookie list with senior experience (ie Priddis with a Sandover). And some of the guys in our case are covering the several players we have out.

In your case with several out there has been the opportunity to put some of the middle tier guys in, some have stood up......perhaps some haven't as well, maybe now the next tier will get a crack. Drum maybe next cab off the rank too?

At least your kids get a better go than Sydney's.

 

[pistol17]

Not trying to be funny here, but the main difference with the players you have mentioned is that they are Top 10 picks, or have come off the rookie list with senior experience (ie Priddis with a Sandover). And some of the guys in our case are covering the several players we have out.

In your case with several out there has been the opportunity to put some of the middle tier guys in, some have stood up......perhaps some haven't as well, maybe now the next tier will get a crack. Drum maybe next cab off the rank too?

At least your kids get a better go than Sydney's.

The problem is we want to keep playing the same old middle tier players who have let us down before. I would like to see the kids get a run to see what they can do. I dont agree with the Sydney comment tho, a fair few of their younger guys have had a run: vogels, schmidt

 

[BK Eaglesfan]

The problem is we want to keep playing the same old middle tier players who have let us down before. I would like to see the kids get a run to see what they can do. I dont agree with the Sydney comment tho, a fair few of their younger guys have had a run: vogels, schmidt

Agree with your first comment.

And you guys aren't alone. My wife is a Hawks fan...they have some wonderful top end players....some exciting kids......but that middle tier, guys like Chance Bateman etc. Just disappointing to see a team with their top end talent and kids with no middle (incl their captain).

This year, Sydney have given a couple of their kids a go...but while I don't wish ill on them I'd love to see their depth tested.

Anyway, hope you guys do bring in a couple of kids if tonight doesn't go the way I know Dockers supporters would liketo see it go. We've seen what Davey, Varcoe etc have done ot spark teams, be interesting to see if Collard and one or two others can do the same for you. Watching the derby, the major difference between late last year and this year, was the pace, unpredictability and excitement that Peake creates (and panic he creates in opposition defences as he streams forward).

 

[pistol17]

I will be disappointed in we dont play at least Ryley Dunn. I dont really know what else the guy has to do to get a game. Just watching carlton and especially the hawks, they have these young guys coming into the side and they are pretty exciting to watch. I would prefer to see a young guy come in and make a couple of mistakes and learn from it then play the same middle tier players who make mistakes almost every game and have played around the 100 game mark.

 

[Ripper]

We have only 5 players on the senior list that havn't player a senior game. Fairly comparable to most teams I would think.

Ibbotsen , Warnock , Collard , Mourish & O'Brien.

Ryley dunn will get a run sooner than later, but he needs to be ready , the last thing He needs is another false start.

 

[pistol17]

We have only 5 players on the senior list that havn't player a senior game. Fairly comparable to most teams I would think.

Ibbotsen , Warnock , Collard , Mourish & O'Brien.

Ryley dunn will get a run sooner than later, but he needs to be ready , the last thing He needs is another false start.

Dunn has been doing everything right in the wafl, has had the ball on a string and been kicking a couple of goals. If ibbotson has some pace give the kid a run and see what he has to offer, second or third year on the list i cant remember but has some wafl experience lets see what he has to offer. Warnock should come in as well for longy, longy just needs to rest, we will lose nothing but an experienced player if we let longy injure himself anymore. Collard and mourish are very talented from what i hear, i havent actually seen them play yet. O'brien has been playing down in a back pocket and generating some speed from defence for peel, be interesting to see him thrown into the midfield at some point with the speed he has.

 

[Cameron_K]

Ibbo is a second year player but was a bottom age recruit last year so in effect is the same age as the 3 guys we drafted this year.

 

[Ripper]

Dunn has been doing everything right in the wafl, has had the ball on a string and been kicking a couple of goals. If ibbotson has some pace give the kid a run and see what he has to offer, second or third year on the list i cant remember but has some wafl experience lets see what he has to offer. Warnock should come in as well for longy, longy just needs to rest, we will lose nothing but an experienced player if we let longy injure himself anymore. Collard and mourish are very talented from what i hear, i havent actually seen them play yet. O'brien has been playing down in a back pocket and generating some speed from defence for peel, be interesting to see him thrown into the midfield at some point with the speed he has.

Dunn has finally strung some games together and surely won't be far away now.

Ibbo has only played 5 senior WAFL games to date, and it is not in anyones interest to chuck him in the deep end just yet. This is His 2nd year on the list and he was one of the youngest players drafted.

All signs are good (excellent even) so far with him.

Mourish played reserves for Easts in round 1, is a real talent but needs to build fitness.

O'brien hasn't stood out as yet.

I agree with you that Stringer Warnock should get a run.


All these blokes should have to earn their spot for the good of themselves and the team.

We don't want them to think it is too easy.

 

[Scham]

The problem is that the club never imagined that we might need Collard, O'Brien or Mourish this year what with our depth and all, so they took there pre season easy and allowed them to ease in to the big league. In hindsight it was wrong, but no one can blame, who would've thought we'd have so many players unavailable so soon?

 

[patsmith]

You don't want to play young guys just for the sake of them being young. Let them build up form, confidence and fitness in the WAFL, so at least it can be said they earnt their spot. Pushing them in too early helps no one.

 

[Roundhouse]

The problem is that the club never imagined that we might need Collard, O'Brien or Mourish this year what with our depth and all, so they took there pre season easy and allowed them to ease in to the big league. In hindsight it was wrong, but no one can blame, who would've thought we'd have so many players unavailable so soon?

Huh?

Collard was recovering from OP. and Mourish was about as fit as a Sampi after New Years.

No club pushes thier new recruits too hard in thier first pre-season. They have realisized it can come back to haunt in the form of long term injuries later on.

It's a bit early to declare they were wrong in hindsight at this point in their development.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Huh?

Collard was recovering from OP. and Mourish was about as fit as a Sampi after New Years.

No club pushes thier new recruits too hard in thier first pre-season. They have realisized it can come back to haunt in the form of long term injuries later on.

It's a bit early to declare they were wrong in hindsight at this point in their development.

And O'Brien was recovering from injury also.

Since CC has been here:

2001 - we drafted Medders, Polak and Browne and elevated Hayden. Medhurst and Polak both played the first game of 2002 (ironic, huh?). Medhurst played every game that year, and the next, and the one after that before running into "form issues" last year. Polak played about 6 games, then was injured for the rest of the season, before returning in 2003 to play every game and most games for the next couple of years before "form issues" saw him also traded at the end of last year. Hayden established himself by the end of 2002, and had his "breakout" season in 2003. Browney was a late pick, and we know what his story is.

2002 - Schammer, Crowley + a few other who are now gone + Sandilands was elevated. Schammer played the first game of the 2003 season and went on to play 17 games; Sandilands played 19 games in his first season.

2003 - Drafted Dunn, Murphy, Mundy, Campbell, Peake, Johnson + elevated Webster and Gilmore. Dunn played the first two games of the 2004 season before injury after injury. Murphy played a couple of games in his first season also. Mundy, Peake and Johnson played WAFL for just the one full season before debuting in their second seasons. Webster did his knee and was out for all of 2004, and has been a depth player since. Gilmore always was and always will be a depth player.

2004 - Drafted Copping, Stribling + elevated Dodd and Dylan Smith. Dodd has played pretty much every game since, Smith, Stribling and Copping not good enough. Drafted so many the year before that we could cover this.

2005 - drafted Drum (debuted in his first year), Warnock (needed time - still young and skinny for a ruckman), Ibbotson (youngest player in his draft - almost ready perhaps) + upgraded Crowley (played most games in 2006 as well as a handful while still a rookie).

2006 - Duffield played a handful of games while still a rookie, then was upgraded. Drafted Collard (OP), O'Brien (hamstring IIRC) and Mourish (unfit and unready).... Duffield has played 2/3 games.

I think CC has done a pretty fair job of managing the young guys. Some have been thrown in at the deep end - some have been held back. Different guys will thrive in either environment; it's up to an astute "manager" to decide when a guy is ready and when he's not. I remember CC saying towards the end of last year - "Ryley Dunn is back to being injury-free and match-fit, it's now up to Ryley to push his case for selection". Maybe CC has issued him the challenge - play half a dozen good games and you're in. maybe that's the best way to manage him.

Ibbo has only just cemented a WAFL senior spot - is he ready for AFL? Is Warnock ready at 205cm and 90kgs - or is he still too skinny and too easliy knocked around against Lade, Brogan, Hille, Cox, Seaby. Has Collard recovered sufficiently to play out a whole game at the top level, or would he have got pantsed by Brett Jones and Wirrpunda?? Lots of variables, and unfortunately we're not privy to all that they consider when picking a side.

 

[rotto]

We have the second oldest playing list in league and especially in the midfield we need to start to have a replacement plan for Bell, McManus, Cook, M Carr, J Carr, Black, Walker,and Solomon all over 27. Need to replace that group within 3 years. Our Talls are looking great with Tarrant being the oldest at 26.

Need to draft midfielders or trade for 21/22 year olds and delist some of the older depth players. Loss some depth but ensure that in 3 years we don't have a meltdown.

People are saying that our premiership window is 3 years but our spine will be intacted except maybe Longmuir (He can be replaced with Warnock). Our talls need to be replaced in 5 years.

 

[Bradesmaen]

We have only 5 players on the senior list that havn't player a senior game. Fairly comparable to most teams I would think.

Ibbotsen , Warnock , Collard , Mourish & O'Brien.

Ryley dunn will get a run sooner than later, but he needs to be ready , the last thing He needs is another false start.

Very comparable considering Adelaide (considered one of the older teams relying on the old guys) has 8 on their list without a Senior game.

 

[dominguez]

Warnie would have played against Essendon if he wasn't recovering from injury. There is a good chance of him debuting against Adelaide.

Marcus Drum played last season in his first year. It is usually the first round picks that get a run in their first year, and we have traded a lot of our first round picks. Murphy would be the only first round pick on our list not to play in his first year.

Teams like Carlton and Hawthorn won't play finals footy, so they are able to play the kids because all their planning is geared towards the future. Our focus is on the present. McManus and Webster offer a lot more than Collard, Ibbo, O'Brien and Mourish at present.