Draft Picks

[Richo_Daffy]

What is with most people and not wanting to trade picks for star players? Everywhere i look people go we cant give up our first pick and someone for kerr? why not? his a superstar only 25 and what is the chance that our pick will be as good as him? i wouldnt think there would be a high chance of that happening. Yes i do agree we shouldnt look for recycled players like cartlegde(oxygen thief imo). id gladly give up our first round and something else for roughead also who in our team could really prosper. Just want to see am i the only one with this perception or do others also think draft picks are overated to an extent. cheers

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

What is with most people and not wanting to trade picks for star players? Everywhere i look people go we cant give up our first pick and someone for kerr? why not? his a superstar only 25 and what is the chance that our pick will be as good as him? i wouldnt think there would be a high chance of that happening. Yes i do agree we shouldnt look for recycled players like cartlegde(oxygen thief imo). id gladly give up our first round and something else for roughead also who in our team could really prosper. Just want to see am i the only one with this perception or do others also think draft picks are overated to an extent. cheers

We're in a rebuilding phase - meaning we look to trade for guys who will be peaking when we are in line for premiership contention. If you look at us as being 3-4 years away fromt he flag, which I believe we are, Kerr will be 30, and going backwards, not peaking.

I'd prefer to grow our own anyway, keep drafting; and let's see if we can successfully recruit our own players.

Happy to see us trade our players away for picks, but don't want to see us trading picks for players unless there's one heck of a steal on offer.

Richmond must be able to develop our own players to be successful, and we need to prove we can do this. If we can't, find out now, so we can overhaul the development program in place as soon as possible.

 

[getthefooty]

Our first draft pick would play potentially 12 years of good footy, Kerr has probaby only 4 or 5 good years left in him. Taking Kerr is also a risk, he is known to behave badly and could be a disaster once we got him. Plus we would have to give up alot more than just our 1st rounder to get him.

There is no way Hawthorn would give up Roughead, I think he just signed a new contract recently?

 

[Tiger08]

Would be happy to see us trade Pick 8.. it hasn't been any good since 2001. We need to switch up a bit for someone like we did with Jack and Polak.

Number 8 Picks

97 Chris Tarrant
98 Jude Bolton
99 Joel Corey
00 Daniel Motlop
01 James Bartel

Now what happens?

02 Luke Brennan
03 Raphael Clarke
04 John Meesen
05 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
06 Ben Reid
07 Lachlan Henderson (a bit rough.. it is his first year)

Or maybe Lachlan Henderson will turn out a gun and its a five year cycle.

Can't help but think Polo might be on the table. TW must have something against that kid.

 

[nut]

Our first draft pick would play potentially 12 years of good footy, Kerr has probaby only 4 or 5 good years left in him. Taking Kerr is also a risk, he is known to behave badly and could be a disaster once we got him. Plus we would have to give up alot more than just our 1st rounder to get him.

There is no way Hawthorn would give up Roughead, I think he just signed a new contract recently?

12 years - 4 years of developement= 8 years of quality football.... vs 5- 6 years of football by a proven player...

I dont want Kerr... price to much..

 

[Doobie]

Our first draft pick would play potentially 12 years of good footy, Kerr has probaby only 4 or 5 good years left in him. Taking Kerr is also a risk, he is known to behave badly and could be a disaster once we got him. Plus we would have to give up alot more than just our 1st rounder to get him.

There is no way Hawthorn would give up Roughead, I think he just signed a new contract recently?

our first pick to play 12 years of good footy when has this ever happed

 

[beaver fever]

We're in a rebuilding phase - meaning we look to trade for guys who will be peaking when we are in line for premiership contention. If you look at us as being 3-4 years away fromt he flag, which I believe we are, Kerr will be 30, and going backwards, not peaking.

I'd prefer to grow our own anyway, keep drafting; and let's see if we can successfully recruit our own players.

Happy to see us trade our players away for picks, but don't want to see us trading picks for players unless there's one heck of a steal on offer.

Richmond must be able to develop our own players to be successful, and we need to prove we can do this. If we can't, find out now, so we can overhaul the development program in place as soon as possible.

Yup good post. The national draft is where we will find the cattle.

 

[getthefooty]

our first pick to play 12 years of good footy when has this ever happed

So I exagerrated a little to strengthen my argument. Point is we will get more footy from a high draft pick than a ****** like Kerr.

 

[Doobie]

So I exagerrated a little to strengthen my argument. Point is we will get more footy from a high draft pick than a ****** like Kerr.

ye think you are right hope it isvickery or lewis johnston we need chf bad

 

[_RT_]

What is with most people and not wanting to trade picks for star players? Everywhere i look people go we cant give up our first pick and someone for kerr? why not? his a superstar only 25 and what is the chance that our pick will be as good as him? i wouldnt think there would be a high chance of that happening. Yes i do agree we shouldnt look for recycled players like cartlegde(oxygen thief imo). id gladly give up our first round and something else for roughead also who in our team could really prosper. Just want to see am i the only one with this perception or do others also think draft picks are overated to an extent. cheers

In 3-4 years time after a period of sustained finals without really threatening for a flag I would then consider trading a first round pick for a gun that might top off the list, but not now when there are still so many holes left on the list to fill.

Imagine the reaction if we gave up pick 8 & a player for Kerr and spent the next 2-3 years hovering around 8th-12 spots on the ladder. There would be hell to pay from not only the supporters but also the wider football community.

Getting recycled players might be seen as a waste for you but we have managed to get a couple of decent players from looking at players who haven't quite reached their potential at other clubs see Tuck, Morton, McMahon, Simmonds & Polak for starters.

BTW you wont like it but Cartledge is almost guaranteed a spot on the senior list next year.

 

[Richo_Daffy]

Im not against total recycled players just players who never made it at other clubs all the ones u have mention either had a good year or 2 or were still young. there are no guarentees in life all im saying is that if it didnt cost us too much there is no reason in not looking at a superstar player like kerr i mean we cant be in developing phase forever even though u must continually develope if u get wat i mean lol

 

[getthefooty]

if u get wat i mean lol

Nope

 

[THE_GUN]

the only player i would give up our 1st and 2nd round pick this year for is nick reiwoldt, because he is exactly the player that we need at tigerland,

our defence is coming along nicely & midfeild is really taking shape with the likes of foley,tuck,deledio,cotchin,white, with players like meyer,collins
coggs still to make an impact.

the 2 areas i see a problem are the ruck & hopefully putt & gus & patto will develope.
but i would still like to take 1 ruck in the nd & 1 rookie.

but the main area that we should concentrate on is finding a dominant chf
thats wher a player like nick reiwoldt would really fit in perfectly

if he was out of contract i would have no problem with the club offering
stkilda picks & offering nick 1mill a year for 5 years.

 

[Wally Matera]

Our first draft pick would play potentially 12 years of good footy, ?

Wrong... the firs 3 years are very average at best and thats only if youve "selected well". The next 2 years are good to very good and again, thats only if youve "selected well" and then "developed them properly".

The next 5 years (the same stage as what Kerr's career currently is) should be a gun. Providing you have "selected well", "developed their career properly", "injuries permitting", etc, etc.

You see, a lot of ifs, buts and maybes.... Kerr still represents EXCELLENT value.

 

[red bean]

I reckon you make a sensible case RD. However, when all is said and done, I'd probably go with the general consensus on Kerr. I wouldn't want to be the one held to account - they'd slay the poor bugger if it went pear shaped. But I'd consider trading with our second pick (plus).

 

[getthefooty]

Wrong... the firs 3 years are very average at best and thats only if youve "selected well". The next 2 years are good to very good and again, thats only if youve "selected well" and then "developed them properly".

The next 5 years (the same stage as what Kerr's career currently is) should be a gun. Providing you have "selected well", "developed their career properly", "injuries permitting", etc, etc.

You see, a lot of ifs, buts and maybes.... Kerr still represents EXCELLENT value.

Yes, I know its not '12 years of good footy', did you read my other post?
The first 3 years don't have to be average at best, look at Cotchin, Selwood, Palmer etc.

Kerr = expensive.

 

[Wally Matera]

Yes, I know its not '12 years of good footy', did you read my other post?
The first 3 years don't have to be average at best, look at Cotchin, Selwood, Palmer etc.

Kerr = expensive.

Ok, lets compare Daniel Kerr to Kayne Pettifer. Both top 10 picks and you would expect 12 years of good footy from both. Negative.

Daniel Kerr

Age: 25
Games: 155
Selected: Number 18, 2000 National Draft

Kayne Pettifer

Age: 26
Games: 109
Selected: Number 9, 2000 National Draft

Top 10 picks can fail miserably. Handing one across for guarenteed (barring injury) 5 year success, is not bad business

 

[getthefooty]

Handing one across for guarenteed (barring injury) 5 year success, is not bad business

1st draft pick + Deledio + Rance
And Kerr is no guarantee by any stretch. Has been s*** this year without Judd and Cousins and has big off field issues.


I get the feeling we have been through this before...

 

[Wally Matera]

1st draft pick + Deledio + Rance
And Kerr is no guarantee by any stretch. Has been s*** this year without Judd and Cousins and has big off field issues.


I get the feeling we have been through this before...

Your talking out your arse with that scenario... not even Judd commanded that, contracted or not-contracted. Lets not forget, Judd should command more than Kerr... captain of a premiership team, a year younger and a better player.

Pick 8 and Polo - l would sign on any day of the week, but dont think that would be enough.

If we had to throw in JON or a second rounder, probably not.

Just my view... happy to let get go pick 8 to get him. But its what else that goes with it.

 

[getthefooty]

Your talking out your arse with that scenario... not even Judd commanded that, contracted or not-contracted. Lets not forget, Judd should command more than Kerr... captain of a premiership team, a year younger and a better player.

Pick 8 and Polo - l would sign on any day of the week, but dont think that would be enough.

If we had to throw in JON or a second rounder, probably not.

Just my view... happy to let get go pick 8 to get him. But its what else that goes with it.

Well, we would need to give away what Judd demanded and more, because that is exactly what Whoosher said in an interview.

You are right, my scenario is unrealistic, as is yours. Pick 8 + Pick 25 odd + Rance or Cotchin?

Lets just draft and develop our own kids and not worry about expensive top up players until we are in a position to win the flag.