List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[flamingEMBERS]

Some random pick in the 30/40's will probably end up as the best player in the draft. Being ranked 2nd or 5th means literally nothing, look through the top 10 of most years, a lot of them are spuds.

Yep and good luck to said player. At this stage I just want a couple of 200 gamers and some wins

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

Again I’m not overly fussed who we take, if it’s CDT then I’m cool with that.

But on your points, I think you’re being a little obtuse.

1. The people who are advocating for sharp at 2 are doing so as they rate him as the 2nd best talent. It’s only a reach if you consider some of the mock stuff out there to be without refute.


2. Underage year has largely been argued in the past when the player has a poor top age year or is impacted by injury. This is not the case with sharp, who has had a very strong 25 season. The fact sharp has done it since u16 is a testament to him, but wholly Irrelevant to the link you are trying to make.

 

[numbat06]

Yep and good luck to said player. At this stage I just want a couple of 200 gamers and some wins

Yea definitely have to lock in a "safe" pick, not a project player.

 

[Shueygod]

Again I’m not overly fussed who we take, if it’s CDT then I’m cool with that.

But on your points, I think you’re being a little obtuse.

1. The people who are advocating for sharp at 2 are doing so as they rate him as the 2nd best talent. It’s only a reach if you consider some of the mock stuff out there to be without refute.


2. Underage year has largely been argued in the past when the player has a poor top age year or is impacted by injury. This is not the case with sharp, who has had a very strong 25 season. The fact sharp has done it since u16 is a testament to him, but wholly Irrelevant to the link you are trying to make.

1. I disagree that this the case for a number of reasons. The first being that the majority of people that are saying this likely haven’t actually watched a full game of Sharp. There is no basis for them to even have these opinions. The second being that the primary argument I’ve seen for taking Sharp is “we need an inside mid”, “he fills a need”.

I’ve seen very little people advocating for Sharp because he’s the 2nd best talent in the draft.

2. Agree the circumstances differ but the general premise is the same. Underage year either means something or it doesn’t.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

The concern is not leaving our best draft hand arguably ever, with a midfielder. Given our number 1 need is midfield help. Of course it’s our luck to have an insane haul of 1, 2 and 13 in the worst draft in a while, with no genuine A grade midfielder.

But there is genuine A grade mids in this draft. Just ask Massey.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We do not need Farrow. Full stop.

Duursma will be pushing from R1 but will best start in his first couple of years on a hbf

Allan should be ready after a big pre-season and he should not be thrown midfield but start on a hbf. Not sure he is a midfielder but has skills as a running defender

McCarthy has already shown that we have a great ball user off the hbf

Ginbey is showing he is a really good 3rd tall defender and can provide run off the hbf

Hough can play lock down defender but with Starcevich in, Hough has shown he can play running defender off hbf

Dewar has shown he can be the speedy ball mover off hbf

Duggan loves the hbf but his constant turnover means he needs to be safe passing to other. He gets selected through being the last captain standing

Baker is good off the hbf (so long as he does not have to make anything like a difficult pass) but should be utilised as a defensive forward and we need leadership there and we need Owies freed up to play WAFL

Johnston played hbf in Beagles

Banfield has played that role and could fill in



Let me place a stake in the ground and say we do not need Farrow

This

We have so much coverage down back, mini will be able to move some magnets. But none of those magnets have proven they're capable of being a full time midfielder.

Tmac maybe
Ginbey I would like to see have another crack at it
Baker sure
Hough tagger only
Allan maybe

 

[Barrybran]

Yeah but splitting runs the risk of him going elsewhere. Even if the intel is good, a rogue trade up we weren’t expecting or someone going off script puts him out of our reach again.

So would you split and chance it, or do you feel so strongly about him that we should avoid all risk and just take him at 2. That’s all the poll is measuring, not what would you split for and then who would you take etc.

The 'who we want' dictates the 'how we deal with it'.

 

[Barrybran]

Have posted on here in clear favouritism of Sharp so do acknowledge am coming in with that bias, and will agree that as an armchair punter I don't know anywhere near as much about these prospects as the actual pros so in line with what you're saying should preface this with it being just my opinion and that I don't claim to know better than even many on here let alone the employed experts.

I guess just from a bigfooty argument perspective, I think a team's needs often get underrated in favour of purely 'best available' - particularly in the top 10 when you'd kind of assume everyone has the talent to make it to some degree given the right circumstances. Was having this discussion with a mate who works in the stats department for a Vic club who was admitting that, whilst if you get a slider in the third round best available is often the obvious choice, when it comes to top 10 he reckoned even the professionals at clubs are still divided/unsure on needs vs overall talent and its a debate that will probably rage forever.

From that perspective I'd argue needs would need to come into consideration for whether we can best develop that player to get maximum value out of them.

North were shocking IMO at consistently picking mids who were essentially the same player and wouldn't get a go in their preferred role - picked Powell and Phillips who are like the same player and both were underneath Simpkin and then Parker who they traded in so Powell ended up being a waste of pick 3. They lacked exploders and focused on toilers and couldn't fit them all in.

Sometimes it's easy to go "ah well they picked wrong" but Twomey had Phillips at 6, with Elijah Hollands at 3 and DGB at 4 so you kinda go "ah alright". Were those three secretly always going to be duds all along or were there development reasons based on where they ended up? I'd argue it's always at least some mix of both either way. Draftees obviously have a big year in their final underage year but at top 10 level they're almost always dominating either way, think a lot gets underrated about how much they're still developing the players they'll become in their first or second year in the AFL system.

Should we go Robey, would he be in line to be doing the same thing as Reid and Hewett, and as a result either play in an unbalanced midfield with an over-reliance on Jack Graham, or have to play other roles or develop in our WAFL black hole, or reinvent his game with less of his strengths emphasised like Phillips did?

Based on our side I'd at least be confident there's an immediate spot for Sharp, and a clear vibe of how he'd fit in with our most important pieces going forwards. That might mean he becomes a 8/10 player and Robey gets picked later by someone else and becomes a 9/10 player, which I'd still take over us having a 7/10 Robey and another team having a 7/10 Sharp. Not fussed at all about how the pick after ours does if I knew we'd extracted our maximum value ourselves.

Should we take Duursma (seems likely) we'll have an elite transition athlete, as well as two elite burst players in Reid/Hewett, and IMO would be best balanced with an elite contested beast like Sharp.

That being said if we can trade down and still get Sharp, sure, or if our more-knowledgeable-than-me draft team rates someone like Robey significantly higher, then sure absolutely. But Twomey's rankings at this stage would be mostly based around chatter of who clubs like generally - if we see Sharp as within 5% of Robey talent wise but far more suitable then I'd hope we'd take him and couldn't care less about the players considered 1-2% higher or lower than him on the overall AFL consensus draft boards.

Immediate spots aren't as big an issue for me as long-term fit and it is very clear what Sharp will be long term. The fact that he can step straight away and take some minutes from Yeo is a bonus. Similarly, your point on Robey being similar to Reid/Hewett is why I'm CDT over Robey. I would expect CDT to start in the WAFL but he eventually takes over Bailey Williams' spot and transitions over time toward more ruck time and maybe even some minutes as a tall midfielder.

 

[Barrybran]

For those in the know, how does the 2026 draft class look?

I know there seems to be more WA talent, including some NGA's, but I'm wondering how next year's draft class may shape this year's draft.
At the moment, we're looking like taking Duursma, Duff-Tytler/Sharp and Farrow/Dovaston, which would see most of our long-term best 23 positions filled. Assuming we finish last next year, we take Doug Cochrane, regardless of needs. Assuming we take CDT this year and don't finish last next year, we're likely in a great spot to take another midfielder next year. Assuming we take Sharp this year and don't finish last next year, do we need another midfielder, or are we potentially looking at splitting for needs.

Is there a world where we bite the bullet and try to bring forward our F1 and take both Duff-Tytler AND Sharp?

It would be a risk - a potential pick 1 for either a project tall or a "slow" inside mid.

Another bring forward scenario could be to forgo Duff-Tytler by trading pick 2 to Melbourne for 7 + the Suns' F1 and then offer our F1 to Essendon for the other of Sharp/Cumming, rounding out our midfield this year while maintaining a presence in the first round next year, albeit at the bottom end of the round.

I ask as we tried to do this for Dan Curtin a couple of years ago before getting sniped by Adelaide, and he's turned out to be a pretty decent player.

Or is there someone at the pointy end next year (other than Cochrane) that we must have and are in a prime position to get?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Immediate spots aren't as big an issue for me as long-term fit and it is very clear what Sharp will be long term. The fact that he can step straight away and take some minutes from Yeo is a bonus. Similarly, your point on Robey being similar to Reid/Hewett is why I'm CDT over Robey. I would expect CDT to start in the WAFL but he eventually takes over Bailey Williams' spot and transitions over time toward more ruck time and maybe even some minutes as a tall midfielder.

Don't count on Yeo at all. That's ship sailed. It will Robertson and sharp rotating through. If Yeo is fit, he will play more down back.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Is there a world where we bite the bullet and try to bring forward our F1 and take both Duff-Tytler AND Sharp?

No. I would be doing the opposite. Trading down pick 2 in this year's draft to get another future 2nd.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I mean reaching for someone 3 or 4 picks early isn't too bad, 10 picks early though....

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Separate issue but Geelong would have made Chesser into a gun. Probably.

 

[Keys]

Midfield is our biggest need because the best sides have genuine depth running through there and we have none. And whilst McQualter regularly states he doesn’t focus on stats the fact remains we don’t have anyone capable of averaging 25+ disposals per game like other sides do

In short we need a ball pig and Sharp looks the most likely from this draft to be that player. Problem being his ranking on talent doesn’t quite align with where our draft picks sit - he’s not in the top 2 and he’s better than pick 13

Behind Duursma, Sharp (or Cumming) fit our needs best whilst CDT is the highest rated talent who notionally fills our need for a ruckman but has genuine question marks on whether he can be that player and/or how long he takes to get there

Take Duursma, then bid on Annable as a minimum and possibly Uwland and Patterson as well

I’d be hoping we get something from one of Essendon, Richmond or Melbourne to turn our heads for pick 2 albeit that seems unlikely at the moment. I’d seriously consider accepting Essendon’s F2 to slide back from 2 to 5 along with 34 for 27 which would then help considerably in extracting pick 9 from Carlton for pick 13

Best case scenario now I feel is Duursma, CDT and trading up to Carlton’s pick 9 in the hope Sharp slides a little. That would be a very good haul if it fell that way

Dovaston then Grlj would be my preference if Sharp is off the board. If we can’t trade up to pick 9 then Farrow, or perhaps Lindsay, is probably the best option likely to still be available

Option 1:
1,2,13 - Duursma, CDT, Farrow (or Lindsay)

Option 2:
1,2,9 - Duursma, CDT, Sharp (or Dovaston)

Option 3:
1,5,13 - Duursma, Sharp (or Cumming), Farrow (or Lindsay)

Option 4:
1,5,9 - Duursma, Sharp, Dovaston or Duursma, Cumming, Sharp

Hope for option 4 but expect option 1 which I think outside this board would be viewed favourably - the best two talents overall and the best locally based player

 

[eaglevision]

Is there a world where we bite the bullet and try to bring forward our F1 and take both Duff-Tytler AND Sharp?

It would be a risk - a potential pick 1 for either a project tall or a "slow" inside mid.

Another bring forward scenario could be to forgo Duff-Tytler by trading pick 2 to Melbourne for 7 + the Suns' F1 and then offer our F1 to Essendon for the other of Sharp/Cumming, rounding out our midfield this year while maintaining a presence in the first round next year, albeit at the bottom end of the round.

God no. Under no circumstance would I trade our F1 and you can see the reluctance of other clubs to do it. Top 5 next year in particular are very, very talented. Cochrane, Walker (F/S), Bulter, Van Dyk especially. All play midfield and most have versatility to play forward. Dougie can play literally anywhere and is a Harley level prospect in the open pool (for now).

Watch the futures game from GF day. Use our 1R, hopefully sneak in a pick with our 2R before matching our NGAs and Harper.

2027 R1 and 2028 R1 for 2026 mini draft pick 1 and 2027 pick 5 from Tassie would be far better future picks to trade next year, not this year.

 

[WCE777]

We do not need Farrow. Full stop.

Duursma will be pushing from R1 but will best start in his first couple of years on a hbf

Allan should be ready after a big pre-season and he should not be thrown midfield but start on a hbf. Not sure he is a midfielder but has skills as a running defender

McCarthy has already shown that we have a great ball user off the hbf

Ginbey is showing he is a really good 3rd tall defender and can provide run off the hbf

Hough can play lock down defender but with Starcevich in, Hough has shown he can play running defender off hbf

Dewar has shown he can be the speedy ball mover off hbf

Duggan loves the hbf but his constant turnover means he needs to be safe passing to other. He gets selected through being the last captain standing

Baker is good off the hbf (so long as he does not have to make anything like a difficult pass) but should be utilised as a defensive forward and we need leadership there and we need Owies freed up to play WAFL

Johnston played hbf in Beagles

Banfield has played that role and could fill in



Let me place a stake in the ground and say we do not need Farrow

Who would be best available player at 13 who is not a HB with mid potential?
Dovaston, NHH, Phillipou?

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

We do not need Farrow. Full stop.

Duursma will be pushing from R1 but will best start in his first couple of years on a hbf

Allan should be ready after a big pre-season and he should not be thrown midfield but start on a hbf. Not sure he is a midfielder but has skills as a running defender

McCarthy has already shown that we have a great ball user off the hbf

Ginbey is showing he is a really good 3rd tall defender and can provide run off the hbf

Hough can play lock down defender but with Starcevich in, Hough has shown he can play running defender off hbf

Dewar has shown he can be the speedy ball mover off hbf

Duggan loves the hbf but his constant turnover means he needs to be safe passing to other. He gets selected through being the last captain standing

Baker is good off the hbf (so long as he does not have to make anything like a difficult pass) but should be utilised as a defensive forward and we need leadership there and we need Owies freed up to play WAFL

Johnston played hbf in Beagles

Banfield has played that role and could fill in



Let me place a stake in the ground and say we do not need Farrow

But but we need everything apparently

 

[plays tall 1]

Some have mentioned pre-listing Axel Walsh as part of a long term ruck strategy. What are the rules regarding pre-listing?

Presumably if we’re still bottom of the ladder we’d get first pick. Or does the Tassie team get a chance to pre-list him before us?

And is Walsh the standout to be the first pre-listed kid?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We take CDT with pick 2 then we've got a lot of eggs in players putting up with another two seasons of "development" and Warner coming home as a free agent to resolve our midfield issue.

It could all work out wonderfully, or it could be another two years of getting thrashed due to an uncompetitive midfield and Reid and others asking to leave.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Midfield is our biggest need because the best sides have genuine depth running through there and we have none. And whilst McQualter regularly states he doesn’t focus on stats the fact remains we don’t have anyone capable of averaging 25+ disposals per game like other sides do

In short we need a ball pig and Sharp looks the most likely from this draft to be that player. Problem being his ranking on talent doesn’t quite align with where our draft picks sit - he’s not in the top 2 and he’s better than pick 13

Behind Duursma, Sharp (or Cumming) fit our needs best whilst CDT is the highest rated talent who notionally fills our need for a ruckman but has genuine question marks on whether he can be that player and/or how long he takes to get there

Take Duursma, then bid on Annable as a minimum and possibly Uwland and Patterson as well

I’d be hoping we get something from one of Essendon, Richmond or Melbourne to turn our heads for pick 2 albeit that seems unlikely at the moment. I’d seriously consider accepting Essendon’s F2 to slide back from 2 to 5 along with 34 for 27 which would then help considerably in extracting pick 9 from Carlton for pick 13

Best case scenario now I feel is Duursma, CDT and trading up to Carlton’s pick 9 in the hope Sharp slides a little. That would be a very good haul if it fell that way

Dovaston then Grlj would be my preference if Sharp is off the board. If we can’t trade up to pick 9 then Farrow, or perhaps Lindsay, is probably the best option likely to still be available

Option 1:
1,2,13 - Duursma, CDT, Farrow (or Lindsay)

Option 2:
1,2,9 - Duursma, CDT, Sharp (or Dovaston)

Option 3:
1,5,13 - Duursma, Sharp (or Cumming), Farrow (or Lindsay)

Option 4:
1,5,9 - Duursma, Sharp, Dovaston or Duursma, Cumming, Sharp

Hope for option 4 but expect option 1 which I think outside this board would be viewed favourably - the best two talents overall and the best locally based player

Option 1 worst outcome imo.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Midfield is our biggest need because the best sides have genuine depth running through there and we have none. And whilst McQualter regularly states he doesn’t focus on stats the fact remains we don’t have anyone capable of averaging 25+ disposals per game like other sides do

In short we need a ball pig and Sharp looks the most likely from this draft to be that player. Problem being his ranking on talent doesn’t quite align with where our draft picks sit - he’s not in the top 2 and he’s better than pick 13

Behind Duursma, Sharp (or Cumming) fit our needs best whilst CDT is the highest rated talent who notionally fills our need for a ruckman but has genuine question marks on whether he can be that player and/or how long he takes to get there

Take Duursma, then bid on Annable as a minimum and possibly Uwland and Patterson as well

I’d be hoping we get something from one of Essendon, Richmond or Melbourne to turn our heads for pick 2 albeit that seems unlikely at the moment. I’d seriously consider accepting Essendon’s F2 to slide back from 2 to 5 along with 34 for 27 which would then help considerably in extracting pick 9 from Carlton for pick 13

Best case scenario now I feel is Duursma, CDT and trading up to Carlton’s pick 9 in the hope Sharp slides a little. That would be a very good haul if it fell that way

Dovaston then Grlj would be my preference if Sharp is off the board. If we can’t trade up to pick 9 then Farrow, or perhaps Lindsay, is probably the best option likely to still be available

Option 1:
1,2,13 - Duursma, CDT, Farrow (or Lindsay)

Option 2:
1,2,9 - Duursma, CDT, Sharp (or Dovaston)

Option 3:
1,5,13 - Duursma, Sharp (or Cumming), Farrow (or Lindsay)

Option 4:
1,5,9 - Duursma, Sharp, Dovaston or Duursma, Cumming, Sharp

Hope for option 4 but expect option 1 which I think outside this board would be viewed favourably - the best two talents overall and the best locally based player

What is interesting is the view of Sharp being unworthy of pick 2. Not in my assessment.

At the end of 2024, Sharp was up there vying for No 1 pick. He then went on and won the Larke Medal, was SA winning captain, named as the best midfielder in the team that was undefeated in the Championship, named captain of the AA U18 team, he then went on to play senior level SANFL and showed he was more than able to hold his own going up a level.

Tell me, why is there even a discussion about him at 2?

Now let me think, do we need someone that helps us win contested football or is it an area of strength?

I get the love for Duursma and I am now on board for him at pick 1. His build during the year has been outstanding. I’m not sure where he will play at the next level but he has the most upside of anyone in the draft. Yes, some might call him at pick 1 speculative but with the first 2 picks, we can afford one on a player that lifts our ceiling.

CDT is polarising for a number of reasons. He plays ruck but was not the best ruck in the Coates League or the Canival. He played VFL as a KPF and went ok? Not the lead up or contested marking forward I value but he was ok. Schubert was a better KPF than him in the carnival and Metro did not play him as a KPF as much as I would have liked to see. He is fast and great below his knees and might be a unicorn but right now, I question whether we can take 2 speculative picks with 1+2. Neither of CDT or Duursma are going to be significantly improving our ability to win contested football in the short term.

Our club has drafted a generational talent in Harley. Please Massey and Clarke, put the talent around him to bring the best out of him so we can start the process of winning and positioning for another flag.


I expect there to be significant list management in the top 10 in the open draft. Tigers will pick to complement last year’s haul. Dons need everything. Dees have drafted well the last couple of years and will not just be going “best available “.

I had The Drug Rats in our mock draft and there is no way I would have taken 2+13 for 5+6. It is very tight between 2 and 8. I like your thought as to what they would give in R2 (current and or future) picks to go from 5 to 2. I think 2+34 for 5+27+F2 would appeal to both clubs. I might even throw pick 58 in to sweeten it. Blues would be silly not to take 13+27+leave Dean alone for 9.

I posted yesterday about the lack of need for Farrow. He would not be the worst pick but is so far from a position on need. My strong preference now is 1 = Duursma, 5=Sharp, 9=Cumming or Dovaston then our club tied prospects. If we get a cheeky chance to go Curtin or another slider, then brilliant.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Who would be best available player at 13 who is not a HB with mid potential?
Dovaston, NHH, Phillipou?

Dovaston, Barker, Phillipou for me

 

[stallon]

This boards hypocrisy is highlighted by the Sharp argument:

1. “Don’t split top picks, we need top end talent” - yet they want to reach for a bloke at least 3-4 picks early
2. “Underage year is irrelevant” yet some are saying we should take Sharp as he’s done it for longer.

The CDT arguments too:

1. Ruckmen are over-rated just need someone to compete
2. CDT isnt an elite tap ruckman so hes no good to us??

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Does this just mean whether we've nominated them and if the players accept, so we'll have to list them as cat b rookies if they don't get bid on in the ND? I think we can still make the decision to match them or not on the night(s).

 

[HoneyBadger35]

The 'who we want' dictates the 'how we deal with it'.

So don’t think of it as who you want, think of it as what do you want to do with Pick 2.

There’s too many intricacies to capture in a simple pulse check.

When Pick 2 is on the clock, what do you want us to do (rather than who do you want us to finish draft day having taken)

 

[Byron_Clanger]

GETTABLE: HUGE draft preview, the clubs trading picks, who goes where in the top-10

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From this mornings episode of Gettable. Eagles are discussed straight off the top of the show. The typical talking points going into this years draft, Cal saying everyone knows they're taking Duff-ma (Duursma and Duff-Tytler for the uninitiated) BUT SHOULD THEY trade pick 2 and take two mids instead since that's where they're most deficient?! And talk of Carlton's pick 9 got floated in by Cal as well.