Opinion Dragging up the past.

[Tiger Toffee]

Saw this quote from Sir Rancelot on the RFC site

“We’ve got to assess, work out what we’ve done wrong, and then lift our heads up, chests out, and really attack the next week . . . If we keep dragging old memories up, then it’s going to get us nowhere.

The bolded is what caught my eye and i have to agree with the great one, we do let past performances effect the way we play in future games, good teams brush it off and move on, we struggle too.

Does this group take too long to shrug off disappointment and move on.

2013-- end 2012 on a positive and bounce into 2013 starting 3-0
2014-- lose final and moan and groan all through pre season harping on about the final and have a shocking start to season
2015-- see above
2016-- see above

 

[partycorolla]

Saw this quote from Sir Rancelot on the RFC site

“We’ve got to assess, work out what we’ve done wrong, and then lift our heads up, chests out, and really attack the next week . . . If we keep dragging old memories up, then it’s going to get us nowhere.

The bolded is what caught my eye and i have to agree with the great one, we do let past performances effect the way we play in future games, good teams brush it off and move on, we struggle too.

Does this group take too long to shrug off disappointment and move on.

2013-- end 2012 on a positive and bounce into 2013 starting 3-0
2014-- lose final and moan and groan all through pre season harping on about the final and have a shocking start to season
2015-- see above
2016-- see above

Yeah, there is 35 years of history dragging a chain on this lot.... it's emphasised by the media and to some extent perpetuated by the supporters...

 

[RoaringTiger]

I think this is a good post and really interesting. My very strong view is that the club always gets it wrong when it comes to messaging (Dimma ALWAYS talking up the opposition, players saying last year burns and will inspire them this year blah blah). I think our mindset is wrong on lots of this and it has a negative influence on the group's confidence. Be interested to hear from people who know psychology etc because I think the club gets this stuff wrong.

 

[Tiger4Ever]

I only hope that after they finish assessing and working out what they've done wrong, they put "processes" in place to make sure the same mistakes aren't continually repeated. Old memories are dragged up a lot with this group because we've had to revisit so many of the same errors more than once. Learn from your mistakes Tiges, FFS!
Hopefully as different injured personnel becomes available over the next few weeks we see this corrected.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

The talking about the final deep into pre season is what annoys me with the group, just stop talking about it FFS, they hit Round 1 like they are still affected by it and play accordingly. They need to stop getting 6-7 games into a season before finally snapping out of it ( 13 games in 2014 )

 

[tunksy]

It seems its always between the ears with our players..

Maybe it is.. maybe its not.. maybe we just arent good enough? Who knows honestly every year richmond finds a way to put a spanner in the works.

 

[Concatenate]

It seems its always between the ears with our players..

Maybe it is.. maybe its not.. maybe we just arent good enough? Who knows honestly every year richmond finds a way to put a spanner in the works.

Confidence is all in the head, and is such a powerful force. We know the payers have skill, but they cannot execute. Do past efforts haunt the current situation - rance sounds like he is aware it's confidence we have to ignore whats been and start afresh

 

[tunksy]

Confidence is all in the head, and is such a powerful force. We know the payers have skill, but they cannot execute. Do past efforts haunt the current situation - rance sounds like he is aware it's confidence we have to ignore whats been and start afresh

Thats all well and good but heres the thing. This group is only responsible for what this group has or hasnt done. We shouldnt (and they shouldnt) carry the weight of our past.

Youre an afl level footballer. Its hard its stressful. But usually footballers by nature dont lack confidence. If we are lacking confidence then why hasn't it been addressed? Afterall we have started the last 3 years exactly the same way. Slowly and poorly and crying about elimination final defeats.

Each year just seems like there is something that semds us off the rails.

 

[Concatenate]

Thats all well and good but heres the thing. This group is only responsible for what this group has or hasnt done. We shouldnt (and they shouldnt) carry the weight of our past.

Youre an afl level footballer. Its hard its stressful. But usually footballers by nature dont lack confidence. If we are lacking confidence then why hasn't it been addressed? Afterall we have started the last 3 years exactly the same way. Slowly and poorly and crying about elimination final defeats.

Each year just seems like there is something that semds us off the rails.

It is the great mystery that the club has never explained.....why do we start so slowly. My very amateur theory is we would be better off not playing game 1 vs Carlton as the season opener. We have done well in recent times, but the letdown factor after the build up carries over. Would prefer a nice quiet Saturday or Sunday game at home with no hype. I know 2014 we started with suns away , that was just a combination of being on the road, warm conditions and a good team

 

[rfctigerarmy]

All of our three finals have been a disaster and our starts in the last three years have been just as bad.

Does it hurt the players? Hard to tell.. is it over or under effecting them?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Thats all well and good but heres the thing. This group is only responsible for what this group has or hasnt done. We shouldnt (and they shouldnt) carry the weight of our past.

Youre an afl level footballer. Its hard its stressful. But usually footballers by nature dont lack confidence. If we are lacking confidence then why hasn't it been addressed? Afterall we have started the last 3 years exactly the same way. Slowly and poorly and crying about elimination final defeats.

Each year just seems like there is something that semds us off the rails.

I think this is what Rance was alluding too IMO, need to stop harping on about it, address it once and then move on.

 

[tunksy]

I think this is what Rance was alluding too IMO, need to stop harping on about it, address it once and then move on.

I hope so. Every year is new. Another chance to make a bit of history. Another shot at redemption. The previous year it utterly irrelevant

 

[tigerdan]

It's not that long ago that every single one of us would have taken three years of finals in a row as something awesome. When was the last time we did that? In the 1970s. It sucked to lose three EFs but we got there. Personally I think the 'we have to win a final' whinging as fairly pathetic and just something else to complain about by a particular mindset of football follower (be they Tiger or otherwise). Only one team a year wins a flag, and whether you lost the EF or lost the granny you still come away with no silverware but you do get finals experience.

And for me finals experience is a big plus. All those 9th places ****ed us up the ass because you get no finals experience and shit picks.

It's just bad luck the way it panned out. I am pretty confident that we would have done pretty well against Hawthorn or Sydney in any of the last three years. We regularly beat them. So I don't think it's necessarily between the ears, or should I say I don't think it's only between the ears. We got beaten by better teams on the day. No shame in that. It's just simplistic posturing by football journalists that makes truisms out of such things and next thing you know everyone is saying it so it must be true.

 

[TiggerMan22]

It's not that long ago that every single one of us would have taken three years of finals in a row as something awesome.

Remember when making finals was a huge thing for Richmond and the supporters, it was such a long time coming just to make the 8.
Thats already forgotten, now just making finals is barely anything, its almost like who cares unless we do something there.
Something people should remember as the are bashing Dimma and co, they have brought us far.

 

[wegetpumped]

Remember when making finals was a huge thing for Richmond and the supporters, it was such a long time coming just to make the 8.
Thats already forgotten, now just making finals is barely anything, its almost like who cares unless we do something there.
Something people should remember as the are bashing Dimma and co, they have brought us far.

Yes we have come very far in the case of dumb we became dumber (Rance told us that only last week ) but that's the past let's forget lol.

 

[Tony Stark]

When you come from the depths of hopelessness then certain players tend to accept any improvement. We came from a rabble to 3 consecutive finals but I think in the sub conscious minds of the majority of our players they have done enough.

This is the problem and I go back to the number of introverts we constantly recruit and the problem being that this type of "nice" player is happy to follow instruction but is then also happy to reach a particular level of performance without further pushing themselves and is also content to see others around them do the same thing.

We need to start recruiting some extroverts, players who grab the others by the scruff of the neck and say "let's really push ourselves and exceed performance expectations".

An analogy would be recruiting soldiers in the Army, if they constantly recruited introverts they would be in trouble, a bunch of really nice blokes huddled in a trench but no one willing to take that next step toward the enemy only to be wiped out as a stationary target.

I am not a psychologist but to me this issue seems quite clear and one we need to sort out moving forward.

 

[Dunger]

Every sport is 99% between the ears. Especially at professional level where the gap between the best and worst is minimal, so every psychological advantage helps.

My small suburban footy team had a sports psychologist talk to us a few times, he was awesome. Every time he talked to us we'd play out of our skins the next game.

In his former career this guy fought Dolph Lundgren in a karate match. He's helped pro golfers, aus swimmers and now works for an NRL club

I really hope the Tigers have someone like this that can give them structure to their thoughts and keep them positive and focused.

They're doing the Kobe Bryant thing, but is that from something that they've heard or someone that's qualified?

 

[caroma]

Remember when making finals was a huge thing for Richmond and the supporters, it was such a long time coming just to make the 8.
Thats already forgotten, now just making finals is barely anything, its almost like who cares unless we do something there.
Something people should remember as the are bashing Dimma and co, they have brought us far.

I have been rapt with the team making the finals the last 3 years. Such a great feeling. The disappointment has formed recently from the fact we've somehow managed to go from 'that team that never makes finals' TO 'that team that never wins finals'. It's like the club always finds a way to be a failure.

I agree the players need to put it behind them, past is the past and it can't be changed**. All they can do is try harder.



**except unfairly won Brownlow medals...

 

[CoggaRules]

Saw this quote from Sir Rancelot on the RFC site

“We’ve got to assess, work out what we’ve done wrong, and then lift our heads up, chests out, and really attack the next week . . . If we keep dragging old memories up, then it’s going to get us nowhere.

The bolded is what caught my eye and i have to agree with the great one, we do let past performances effect the way we play in future games, good teams brush it off and move on, we struggle too.

Does this group take too long to shrug off disappointment and move on.

2013-- end 2012 on a positive and bounce into 2013 starting 3-0
2014-- lose final and moan and groan all through pre season harping on about the final and have a shocking start to season
2015-- see above
2016-- see above

A mentally fragile group who have shown that they cant arrest momentum all to easily when its swung against them ant it turns into a tsunami whereby any lead the tigers have had is erased in a 10 minute burst and to make matters worse we descend to school boy errors. Unfortunately for the playing group, they have a coach at the helm that sits there sucking his thumb hoping something changes without doing anything to change it. Its a blight on the coaching panel that we have to keep dragging out lines like "if we keep dragging old memories up then its going to get us nowhere", why? Ummm our esteemed coach states that he is confident of making finals since we have started like this in the PAST and we have shown that we come home well in the PAST...now piss him off asap, there is something really wrong with the communication lines down at tigerland and it that is curtains IMO.

 

[caroma]

A mentally fragile group who have shown that they cant arrest momentum all to easily when its swung against them ant it turns into a tsunami whereby any lead the tigers have had is erased in a 10 minute burst and to make matters worse we descend to school boy errors. Unfortunately for the playing group, they have a coach at the helm that sits there sucking his thumb hoping something changes without doing anything to change it. Its a blight on the coaching panel that we have to keep dragging out lines like "if we keep dragging old memories up then its going to get us nowhere", why? Ummm our esteemed coach states that he is confident of making finals since we have started like this in the PAST and we have shown that we come home well in the PAST...now piss him off asap, there is something really wrong with the communication lines down at tigerland and it that is curtains IMO.

Not to mention "We have travelled well to Perth in the past..."

 

[Roachy8]

Sure, don't drag up the past but DO learn from it.

 

[TiggerMan22]

I have been rapt with the team making the finals the last 3 years. Such a great feeling. The disappointment has formed recently from the fact we've somehow managed to go from 'that team that never makes finals' TO 'that team that never wins finals'. It's like the club always finds a way to be a failure.

I agree the players need to put it behind them, past is the past and it can't be changed**. All they can do is try harder.



**except unfairly won Brownlow medals...

Thats true, but it's still better than what we were before

 

[richard parker]

The key is to put new things in place to prevent repeating past failures then just shut about it and focus on the new strategies. And just keep trying things until they work.

Sometimes i think the coaching staff are way too stubborn and persist with things that clearly aren't working. They are afraid to call a spade a spade.

A lot of what the players and coaches go on with in the media and roar vision videos about being driven by past failures is lip service and means nothing.

 

[Dr Tigris]

The past is repeated because the club/coaches keep trying to do something that gets the players out of their zone. Having said that our leadership/maturity on field isn't great because the playing group doesn't coach itself. That this has happened three years in a row shows something about how they try to improve off-season. Its a process/mental thing.

The past that needs to be dragged up right now is winning 9 in a row. The last few rounds of 2015 were full on tear them apart. What we haven't done as a club is just build a self correcting team. When we are in form then they are tough. But right now we need that maturity to step up in any case. Cotch is doing brilliantly, Jack very well. Lids and Ivan aren't there. Is that all of our leadership group in reality??? We need others to step up and drag the team over the line. And then for that to become every week.