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I was fairly comfortable with where Carey was at a few weeks ago, and hoped that improvement would come with increased match exposure. Unfortunately the reverse is true and he had a dead set shocker tonight following a pretty poor effort against West Coast. Wakelin absolutely took him to the cleaners last night. He beat him in every one on one contest, Carey couldn't take an overhead mark to save his life. His confidence was so shattered that he was dropping simple chest marks and when he came up the ground he was turning the ball over with his kicking. If Carey can't rise to the ocassion of a showdown, he's not going to rise to the ocassion of playing his old side. A couple of weeks for the other North will do him good.

Secondly, when I saw that Port's best defender was taking Carey at the start of the match I thought that that could only be a good thing for Mark Stevens. Yet for some reason Stevens had no presence up forward. He wasn't used as a forward target at any point in the match; I don't understand why our midfielders weren't kicking to him.

Thirdly, Burns had a good match. He was about the only one that could finish up forward in the first half. I'd say he's now our second best off season recruit (after Torney, ahead of Carey).
 
Originally posted by DaveW


Yet for some reason Stevens had no presence up forward. He wasn't used as a forward target at any point in the match; I don't understand why our midfielders weren't kicking to him.
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I don't think he was even on the ground in the second half?

You're right, Carey was terrible - he must be dropped this week. In fact, I don't think he's been very good in any of the matches he's played. Sure, he might have kicked a few goals, but most of those have been handed to him. He hasn't really had to work very hard at all.

It was interesting tonight how Ayres persisted with Carey - he played most of the match. Where as Stevens, Torney and Perrie spent a lot of time on the bench. I think Torney and Stevo finished the game on the bench??? What was going on there??

The other weird one was the shifting of the midfield into the forward line that Fox Footy were talking about for the last quarter. What's the point of doing that when we couldn't get the ball in the first place?

And finally, our kicking. IT'S SHOCKING! Has Jars been on holidays these past few weeks? Cos it was terrible against West Coast too, and then tonights' 9.12...not good :(

So this week:
OUT: Carey, maybe Gallagher

IN: Maybe we should try someone younger...Hentschel again? Jericho? Rutten? Also it's about time Doughty came back.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Drop Carey

Originally posted by topjars
Full credit to the scums pressure. Most were rushed too.
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We did miss some kickable shots but yes I'd also acknowledge that there were rush behinds and many occassions where we were forced to take risky shots at goal, from tight angles and outside 50 etc. How many marks did we take inside 50, especially contested? Not many to my recollection.
 
Re: Re: Re: Drop Carey

Originally posted by topjars
Full credit to the scums pressure. Most were rushed too.
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Huh ?...yeah I suppose your right ..The SANFL combined state team did put some pressure on local club ,Port didnt they...yeah I suppose your right..;)

PA1870
 
I don't think Carey will be dropped but he certainly deserves to after tonights performance. Hell so does half of the team.

We just looked flat all night long. After pathetic 1st quarters attempts to get rought Mark Ricciuto would not have come back on if I was the coach. He needs to take a long hard look at himself. In these types of games he needs to lead by example like he did last week against the Eagles.

I said before I didn't think Bassett was a match up for Cornes but I take that back. Bassett played really well on Cornes before getting cleaned up. Once Bassett was off, Ian Perrie is not the match up for Cornes. Haven't we learned from Showdown XI?????? Perrie on Cornes was suicidal.

John**** played well tonight but Senior Burgoyne still kicked 3 on him and had some 20 touches.

Stenglein did a good job on Stevens for 3 quarters. Who in the hell was matching up on James in 1st quarter??????:mad:

Is it just me or does anyone else think Scott Welsh is one of our most important forwards. I just don't see enough pressure and tackling to keep the ball in our forward lines. Welsh is a master at this.

We were pathetic and the body language of our players tonight was like Richo's last year. I think we need to improve 100% to beat Roos next week.

BTW how is everyone's tipping going?????? I have 1 so far.:(
 
Carey definately should be dropped; but it'll probably be by Glenn Archer. Where has the strong leading gone:confused: I think he has a hamstring problem still.

Carey wont even want to play this week; such is his form tonite
 
To me a few things are becoming obvious re Carey :

1. It is obvious he is out of touch after missing a season - most players who do are usually injured - he had all sorts of other thibngs on his mind!

2. I think he is trying too hard - - he needs to relax and try and enjoy the footy more

3. I don't think the team structure involving him has not been gelled yet - and to an extent i feel he is uncertain what his role in the side should be - and in particular he is over focussing on being a team player.

4. Oppostion sides are putting their best defender on him which will make it hard - as tehy will try and lift and gain cuedos for beating him

I think it will take a while for all this to turn around and it can't happen if he is not playing! I agree though that it would be an issue for the match committe to resolve re playing him!
 

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You do not simply drop Wayne Carey.

Surely it was the fault of the midfield! The King usually thinks its his birthday when he manned up by a Wakelin.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
BTW how is everyone's tipping going?????? I have 1 so far.:(
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Originally posted by sapaul
2...picked Carlton tonight.
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I really should learn not to read internet message boards whilst watching a replay of another match. Oh, well. :) I guess that makes 1 from 5 for me also.
 
Originally posted by Squizy Taylor
You do not simply drop Wayne Carey.

Surely it was the fault of the midfield! The King usually thinks its his birthday when he manned up by a Wakelin.
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Well no prizes for guessing what match you were watching tonight.
 
Carey was shocking.

But then it goes to show....he cant play on 7 game 2nd-year rookies like Polak every week now can he?? Big reality check for him and the Crows and the supporters.

Gone from hero to zero in 4 weeks!

I must ask if you all are still happy with the investment...consdering you gave away Johnson and the 2nd pick in the draft to get him (and torney)??
 

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Originally posted by Macca19
Carey was shocking.

I must ask if you all are still happy with the investment...consdering you gave away Johnson and the 2nd pick in the draft to get him (and torney)??
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Torney has been pretty respectable this year up until tonight.

Carey was terrible, but its too early to say who got the best out the deal yet. The season's not over yet.

Jerome
 
Originally posted by Macca19
I must ask if you all are still happy with the investment...consdering you gave away Johnson and the 2nd pick in the draft to get him (and torney)??
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I think we won the Johnson/Torney side of the deal. Both have performed well but Richmond had to sweeten that one with higher draft picks. At the moment I'd say the Carey side of the deal is a big loss. However I still comfortable with the punt we took since (a) those two draft picks weren't going to give us a premiership in the current 'window', and (b) still plenty of time for Carey to come good considering his lengthy absence. I just think it might be time for him to find his feet at SANFL level.
 
Another thing on Carey. Hes lost a lot of pace it seems. Watching him out there tonight was like watching someone in slow motion. Hes painfully slow. And he cant lift his arms above his head anymore it seems.

Maybe he just had stagefright!
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
BTW how is everyone's tipping going?????? I have 1 so far.:(
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Got the 2 Anzac Day games correct, but every game since wrong. :o
 

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