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This is ****ing buillshit. I am arguing with someone who helped Geelong in the 80s through tumultuous times working as an advisor but he knows ****ing jack shit.

During WW2 did we
a) withdraw fromt he league or
b) merge with another team
 

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From my understanding if it wasn't for North Melbourne, the Cats would have banished forever more.
When we tried to get back in the VFL after WW2 pretty much all the clubs wanted us to stay out of the comp, except for North who came out supported us and got us over the line.
While not a big North fan, I'll be forever grateful for what they did for our club when they nothing to gain by sticking up for us.
 
cats2rise said:
This is ****ing buillshit. I am arguing with someone who helped Geelong in the 80s through tumultuous times working as an advisor but he knows ****ing jack shit.

During WW2 did we
a) withdraw fromt he league or
b) merge with another team
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Who argues anymore with the interwebz to settle disputes?
 
terry_bright said:
from my understanding if it wasn't for north melbourne, the cats would have banished forever more.
When we tried to get back in the vfl after ww2 pretty much all the clubs wanted us to stay out of the comp, except for north who came out supported us and got us over the line.
While not a big north fan, i'll be forever grateful for what they did for our club when they nothing to gain by sticking up for us.
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From this day on I solemnly promise never to refer to then as Norf again.
 
Partridge said:
Yep. Isn't that the timeframe where Grand Finals weren't played at the MCG either for the same reasons? I think in 1944 it was the Junction Oval, in 1945 it was Princes Park.
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Yeah pretty sure the MCG was being used as an army camp to sleep soldiers during the war.

Look out, we are all getting a history lesson:D
 
you pick one said:
From this day on I solemnly promise never to refer to then as Norf again.
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Wow... same. North are my most hated team and I have said multiple times over the years they are nothing and I hope they fold... I suddenly feel guilty.

We also had an argument today.. he said we formed in 1858 and I argued 1859... I was right. Again.
 
cats2rise said:
Wow... same. North are my most hated team and I have said multiple times over the years they are nothing and I hope they fold... I suddenly feel guilty.

We also had an argument today.. he said we formed in 1858 and I argued 1859... I was right. Again.
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I have an offical Geelong T Shirt that says est 1859
 
terry_bright said:
From my understanding if it wasn't for North Melbourne, the Cats would have banished forever more.
When we tried to get back in the VFL after WW2 pretty much all the clubs wanted us to stay out of the comp, except for North who came out supported us and got us over the line.
While not a big North fan, I'll be forever grateful for what they did for our club when they nothing to gain by sticking up for us.
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"Essendon’s vote was the only one against re-admission. Later, Geelong President, Jack Jennings was always generous in his praise of North Melbourne Football Club who gave Geelong’s case solid support."

From Classic Cats, the story of the 1951-52 Premierships to be published later this year.
 
topic97 said:
Yeah pretty sure the MCG was being used as an army camp to sleep soldiers during the war.

Look out, we are all getting a history lesson:D
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1942-1945 the MCG was occupied by:

The 11th Replacement Control Depot of the United States Army Air Forces, to whom the ground was known as Camp Murphy (April 3, 1942 – late 1942).
About 1500 personnel from the RAAF’s No.1 School of Technical Training from December 3, 1942 to January 5, 1943.
The First Regiment of the First Division of the United States Marine Corps (January 6, 1943 – October 1943).
The Royal Australian Air Force’s No.1 Embarkation Depot (November 3, 1943 to April 30, 1944). During this period, the site name RAAF Ransford was introduced in honour of MCC secretary Vernon Ransford. From May 1, 1944 to October 29, 1945, No.1 Embarkation Depot was known as No.1 Personnel Depot.

My uncle installed refrigeration units at the MCG so the American's could have ice-cream all year round. It was only sold in summer at the time in Australia and delivered daily to shops that kept it in dry-ice containers.

Matches were not resumed at the MCG until Round 17 1946.


The 1942-45 finals were played at Princes Park and the Junction Oval, St Kilda. 1942,1943,1945 Grand Finals were played at Princes Park. The 1944 Grand Final was played at the Junction Oval.
 

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RogersResults said:
"Essendon’s vote was the only one against re-admission. Later, Geelong President, Jack Jennings was always generous in his praise of North Melbourne Football Club who gave Geelong’s case solid support."

From Classic Cats, the story of the 1951-52 Premierships to be published later this year.
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Thanks for clearing that.

Gives me more reason to hate those w*nkers from Windy Hill
 
"The early 1940s were a tumultuous time for Geelong Football Club, with the club moving from Corio Oval to Kardinia Park at the start of the 1941 season, then being forced to withdraw from the league in 1942 and 1943 due to travel restrictions and a lack of players during the war."

The reasons for the withdrawal from the League 1942-44 were somewhat more complex than the usual reasons given of travel restrictions and a lack of players during the war. But you'll have to wait for Classic Cats to come out for the details.:)
 
Are we trying to rewrite history here?
North were the casting vote that got us back in. Everyone knows that.
 
vinum coupe said:
Are we trying to rewrite history here?
North were the casting vote that got us back in. Everyone knows that.
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The minutes of the VFL meeting that voted on Geelong's re-admission to League record that the Essendon delegate alone voted no.

There had been discussion before and other clubs had voiced concerns about Geelong coming back in 1944. Travel restrictions were not yet lifted (special sporting trains were only allowed again towards the end of 1944) and some of the Melbourne clubs were concerned at the lack of revenue from matches in Geelong.

Also there was talk of admitting VFA teams to the League and dividing the competition into two divisions which may have prompted North to support Geelong to return to the competition to make an even 12 teams before such ideas went any further.

I know this from minutes of Geelong FC and VFL meetings and published press reports from the time.

What are your sources?
 
I dont have any mate.
I have never heard that. Maybe get the North minutes?
 

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vinum coupe said:
I dont have any mate.
I have never heard that. Maybe get the North minutes?
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Yes its only conjecture as to why North was supportive of Geelong's return. Interesting too that South Melbourne apparently also voiced support for Geelong's return even though they would have to give back to Geelong, Lindsay White, who had kicked 80 goals for the Swans in 1942 .

Earlier the League's problem of a bye each week looked like it might be solved by a merger between Melbourne and Collingwood!

Interesting times.
 
RogersResults said:
"The early 1940s were a tumultuous time for Geelong Football Club, with the club moving from Corio Oval to Kardinia Park at the start of the 1941 season, then being forced to withdraw from the league in 1942 and 1943 due to travel restrictions and a lack of players during the war."

The reasons for the withdrawal from the League 1942-44 were somewhat more complex than the usual reasons given of travel restrictions and a lack of players during the war. But you'll have to wait for Classic Cats to come out for the details.:)
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Love your work, RR. Always illuminating to read your contributions.

When will the book be out? Who's publishing it? Where will it be sold?

Looking forward to it immensely. :thumbsu:
 
Copernicus said:
I am also curious to hear the details about that book, RR.
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The book Classic Cats will be out of the same stable that produced Cats in Command. (Still available if you don't have a copy.)

Notification of availability will also appear here.

There will hopefully be a limited edition print version of Classic Cats out later this year and an extended e-book version after that.

It's the story of a how in the space of 10 years, a provincial team in a metropolitan competition went from near oblivion to back to back Premierships and a period where they became the League's 'unbeatables'.
 
terry_bright said:
From my understanding if it wasn't for North Melbourne, the Cats would have banished forever more.
When we tried to get back in the VFL after WW2 pretty much all the clubs wanted us to stay out of the comp, except for North who came out supported us and got us over the line.
While not a big North fan, I'll be forever grateful for what they did for our club when they nothing to gain by sticking up for us.
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I never knew that. I might adopt Nth as my third team.
 

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