Ebert

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by Jars458
it compromises the draft

The draft is already compromised. IMO you will never have a draft that is uncompromised.

 

[Cyclops]

Great stuff, this is what makes footy worthwhile, seeing a kid pull on a guernsey from his dad's old team. OK it don't look quite the same but its magic stuff.

If he's half the footy player his old dad was he'll be a star. I look forward to seeing him play alongside the Cornes boys (nudges all Crows supporters in the ribs).

By the way, whats the plural of Cornes? Cornii? Cornies? Cornettos?

 

[peejay]

Don't you just love it when the Port supporters prove why they are the morons of the AFL ?

 

[Grave Danger]

Originally posted by MarkT
Why shouldn't Ebert play for Port. It was his father's club whether they played VFL, SANFL or a Tasmanian suburbam comp. That is what the F/S rule is all about.

Russel played too few games for North and that's all their is to it. As for whether he was any good, well he was a hack of first class proportion in the VFL. Maybe he was too old or maybe there was a huge gulf in standard. That is all subjective.

Obviously. Look - why don't you and skilts take on board the words of a North Melbourne supporter? This is what Shinboners said:

Oh, and back to '79...the dud was Graeme Cornes. Russell Ebert was very good with us - just a shame that he didn't come earlier and leave later.

 

[Shinboners]

Anyone who wants to read about Russell Ebert, click on the link and go halfway down the first page:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30237

 

[eastaugh36]

for christ sake Ewok and the others complaining !
Im an Essendon fan but I firmly believe that interstate clubs need to have access to this father son ruling. There is nothing wrong with sons of SANFL players who play a large amount of games being aligned with the Adelaide clubs. At the time, the sanfl was on the same level as the vfl so whats the problem ? The vfl is not the AFL of today. You have your vfl which is on par with the sanfl now. The afl is the Australian football league. You carry on about things being equal with Brisbanes salary cap and I agree with you that it is unfair but not allowing interstate clubs access to the father son rule is not fair on them when compared to victorian clubs.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Jars458
The Father - Son rule makes no sense

it compromises the draft

get rid of it

just like Brisabane and Sydney's draft concessions

Wonder if the Vic clubs would agre to that.

I doubt it.

Hypocrits.

If you remove the emotion you do not have one single football club. If it were a value proposition the membership numbers would plumet. It is blind emotional loyalty that sustains clubs. that is what the f/s rule caters for. It is a part of what keeps the punters happy. It comprimises the draft but it is already comprimised and in reality it compromises to a very minor extent. Theoretically, all clubs should have equal chance of getting players via the f/s rule. If that is not the case then the rule is not constructed perfectly. that can be addressed but it doesn't diminish from the concept. whether you personally agree or not, the fact is that the vast majority of club mambers and staunch supporters love nothing more than to see a club legend's son play for the club they watched the father bleed for.

Football is a business but it is a business sustained on emotion. But for that it would be a business that cannot sustain itself.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Grave Danger
Obviously. Look - why don't you and skilts take on board the words of a North Melbourne supporter? This is what Shinboners said:

Oh, and back to '79...the dud was Graeme Cornes. Russell Ebert was very good with us - just a shame that he didn't come earlier and leave later.

We are talking about a player regarded as an all time great. he did not perform to anything more than the level of the average AFL player in his short time at North.

I am not canning him. As I said he was a SANFL great. If all his great footy was played there then by definition that is all he can ever be regarded as. That is not an insult but the fact is he did not prove himself in the best competition so people who only watched that competition will not rate as high as SANFL fans.

FWIW I was a Port Magpies fan and took an interest in all their players. I am not ingnorant of deeds and I don't discount them in their context. It is the context that is where the conjecture comes in though. There is no doubt that the VFL had a far greater depth of eleite players than any other comp. You can argue the why and wherefores of that but it is fact.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by MarkT
I am not canning him. As I said he was a SANFL great. If all his great footy was played there then by definition that is all he can ever be regarded as.

Which is fine. The same as VFL stars can only be regarded as VFL stars......with this consistency, there is no problem.

 

[peejay]

yeah sure - thats why every player outside of Vic was busting a gut to play here - TO TRY AND PROVE THEMSELVES IN THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE LAND.

 

[BMD]

Originally posted by MarkT

If you remove the emotion you do not have one single football club. If it were a value proposition the membership numbers would plumet. It is blind emotional loyalty that sustains clubs. that is what the f/s rule caters for. It is a part of what keeps the punters happy. It comprimises the draft but it is already comprimised and in reality it compromises to a very minor extent. Theoretically, all clubs should have equal chance of getting players via the f/s rule. If that is not the case then the rule is not constructed perfectly. that can be addressed but it doesn't diminish from the concept. whether you personally agree or not, the fact is that the vast majority of club mambers and staunch supporters love nothing more than to see a club legend's son play for the club they watched the father bleed for.

Football is a business but it is a business sustained on emotion. But for that it would be a business that cannot sustain itself.

Great post.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by peejay
yeah sure - thats why every player outside of Vic was busting a gut to play here - TO TRY AND PROVE THEMSELVES IN THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE LAND.

And here was me thinking it was the money.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Porthos
And here was me thinking it was the money.

No question it was the money and the challange. The money was probably prime but great footballers are generally great ego's as well.

 

[napsyd]

Ebert was one of the greats of our game FULL STOP.

Those who are saying he was no good, "a hack" or not up to
V(A)FL standand probably never saw him play or didn't see him play in his prime.

I was priveleged as a youngster to see him play countless games, watch his silky skills and his ability to single handedly defeat formidable opposition.

He was a great of football, a record beater in the SANFL and a Port Adelaide Legend. It is only right that his son follows in his footsteps as a Port player.

 

[Ozzie]

Originally posted by MarkT

No question it was the money and the challange. The money was probably prime but great footballers are generally great ego's as well.

Victorian clubs came across and waved their cheque books in front of the poorly paid players and off they went. To call Ebert a hack is a gross insult to all football fans. Both he and Graham Cornes had proven themselves at state level for years. you Victorians seem to forget that fact when you gloss over your league. It was dying a slow death from overspending due to plundering the other states leagues.
These two blokes had limited time left when they moved and the money they were offered was huge. I don't blame them. As for calling for the F/S rule to be scrapped. What a joke your clubs have been plundering the draft for the last decade. Two years ago Carlton got a top 5 pick for it's 2nd or 3 rd rounder. Now that is a disgrace.
Don't get me started on the Cornes boys I still spew when I see them both in a lackovs jumper and not a Crows jumper.

 

[MarkT]

Ozzie, I don't call Ebert a hack! I used the word but I didn't say he was hack. The slow death of the VFL is a complete misnomer but it is irrelevent to the issues here anyway.

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by peejay
yeah sure - thats why every player outside of Vic was busting a gut to play here - TO TRY AND PROVE THEMSELVES IN THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE LAND.

I don't recall the great Stephen Michael ever moving east to play in the VFL.

 

[Eago77]

Originally posted by peejay
yeah sure - thats why every player outside of Vic was busting a gut to play here - TO TRY AND PROVE THEMSELVES IN THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE LAND.

Obviously an untrue statement, if it was true then the Ebert's Cornes' and Robran's to name but three would have been playing there for a lot longer and when they were a lot younger. Fact is the VFL wasn't a heck of a lot better in those days, it was better (deeper talent pool) but not by what some would have us believe.

 

[Grave Danger]

Originally posted by MarkT
Ozzie, I don't call Ebert a hack! I used the word but I didn't say he was hack.

You said:

"As for whether he was any good, well he was a hack of first class proportion in the VFL."

Not only was that a very stupid statement, now you're being a weasel.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by MarkT
As for whether he was any good, well he was a hack of first class proportion in the VFL. Maybe he was too old or maybe there was a huge gulf in standard. That is all subjective. In the SANFL he was a great.

Grave Danger, this is what I said exactly. Take it in context. Stupid statement? You can think so, I don't. I am not weasling out of what I said though.

His time in the AFL was ordinary and compared to his reputation and expectations, hack would be a flatterring term. I do not think he was a hack but he played like one in the VFL. So did Cornes. So did Scott Hodges, Rick Davies, Garry Shaw, Brian Peake, Steve Melaxos and plenty of others who came over from SA or WA. Even Greg Phillips was not the player he was built up to be and that's from a Collingwood supporter. Some were too slow, some were too old and some just were not that good. Plenty of others like Blight were superstars.

 

[kaysee]

Originally posted by peejay
yeah sure - thats why every player outside of Vic was busting a gut to play here - TO TRY AND PROVE THEMSELVES IN THE BEST COMPETITION IN THE LAND.

It was more a case of Victorian clubs going interstate and throwing large amounts of cash at interstate star footballers. The VFL only become a higher standard after they recruited other players from around Australia and eventually became the AFL, before then the standard of the VFL was no better then elsewhere.

If Victorian clubs had succeeded in drawing ALL of the best players from other states then the non-Vic players would have dominated the VFL and Victorians would have only complained about it... in fact doesn't sound disimilar to what is happening in todays AFL.

SKC

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by The Ewok
The Port Adelaide Football Club gained its first player under the AFL’s father-son rule on Wednesday when it agreed to draft Brett Ebert, the son of club legend Russell.

Now which AFL/VFL club did Russell Ebert play for again?

Played for North and was well past his best when he arrived

 

[Hollypig]

Originally posted by Porthos
What club is this `North'?

HEY !!!

 

[Dogwatcher]

Originally posted by Hollypig


HEY !!!

They're talking about the kangaroos you drongo!

 

[Hollypig]

Originally posted by Dogwatcher


They're talking about the kangaroos you drongo!

Who?