Enough is ENOUGH! Leave Frawley Alone

[Stog]

Its starting to get beyond a joke. I can understand everybody's dissapointed with the way the club is going, but the treatment Frawley copped in the last nights game was distgusting.

Ok, he may not be the greatest coach, but he is human and when his family start getting abused to the point they are calling talkback radio, its time to say 'enough is enough'.

Lets just come to terms with the fact we are going to be a shambles this year, and leave the bloke alone.

 

[froars]

I feel sorry for him and his family that they have to cop the abuse, and his sister was on 3aw today saying how much the family had copped.

BUT we have copped a lot of abuse over 20+ years and we're entitled to have a whinge about how he is going.

He's been there 5 years - and while i don't advocate any personal abuse or assaulting the guy and his family - he should resign or do what happened to Tony Shaw. If he's not gonna resign, the club should come out and say that Danny won't be there at the end of the year and we're going to play the kids like the Pies did.

Certainly didn't hurt them or Tony's reputation.

 

[sandeano]

I'm pretty much on the verge of walking away this year from the team and the game.

Last night's display by the 'supporters' was nothing short of sickening and certainly far worse than the miserable effort put in by the players.

Okay, Frawley's days as a coach are pretty close to over, but I am 100% positive that he has put his all into the job and would dearly love to see the team win, sadly, for all of us, it probably aint gonna happen for some time yet.

He probably truly believes he can turn it around. He is looking for positives in a sea of putridity and trying his great big friggin heart out to make things right.

He is doing all he can.

But to receive the hostile reception he did last night was apalling and for once I feel ashamed to be a Richmond supporter and if any time was the right time to tear up membership tickets, this would be it. Simply to disassociate myself from the scum that have turned on a coach and team that need BLOODY SUPPORT - not wooden spoons wved in their faces, verbal abuse and gobs of spit.

I've seen horrible seasons for the RFC - many of them - and I've sat through many a drubbing, but never have I seen the supporters reduced to such a rabble and infecting the club with the same.

If we don't start pulling together, whether our coach for 2004 be Frawley, Brittan or Andy bloody Goodwin, then we might as well turn off the lights and throw the place to the receivers for this is make or break time for our club's future.

 

[Coach Required]

Its true what you say Stog,

I would have to be one of the biggest Frawley bashers here, but I did feel sorry for the poor bugger last night, he doesnt deserve to be treated like that. It actually makes me quite angry that our club would let things get to a stage as it has.

We all know he wasnt upto the challenge at the end of last year but the powers at be decided to give him another go, just for their own selfish image.

 

[oxx]

Fu k him off.

I dont reaally care if people think im an arshole for wanting him gone,its got to be.

I dont care about how he's been treated...this is a fotball
club ffs,they're all grown men who can look after themselves.

Why feel sorry for the dud when he's on 500,00 a year.
We're the ones who are paying to be ****ed.

GET RID OF HIM
IT'S BEYOND ANYTHING.

 

[ozserpico66]

Originally posted by oxx
Fu k him off.

I dont reaally care if people think im an arshole for wanting him gone,its got to be.

I dont care about how he's been treated...this is a fotball
club ffs,they're all grown men who can look after themselves.

Why feel sorry for the dud when he's on 500,00 a year.
We're the ones who are paying to be ****ed.

GET RID OF HIM
IT'S BEYOND ANYTHING.

I have to agree. He has made a lo of money from this club for little return. he should be grateful that he has been given an unearned 5 years at the helm of a Football club.

His efforts suggest that he should be coaching suburban footy.

he aint up to it.

 

[Stog]

Originally posted by oxx
Fu k him off.

I dont reaally care if people think im an arshole for wanting him gone,its got to be.

I dont care about how he's been treated...this is a fotball
club ffs,they're all grown men who can look after themselves.

Why feel sorry for the dud when he's on 500,00 a year.
We're the ones who are paying to be ****ed.

GET RID OF HIM
IT'S BEYOND ANYTHING.

2 things.

Number 1: You say u don't care how he has been treated. In saying that, you are pretty much saying you agree to Frawley getting bottles thrown at him, and getting spat on. Nobody, and I mean nobody deserves that treatment. We ahve all come to concede that Spud is a Dud coach, but he is a fantastic bloke and a much respected figure in the footy world. He deserves a lot more than that.

Number 2: Frawley will not be going anywhere till the end of the year, so just get used to it. This is due to the fact that the club simply CANNOT afford to pay out Spud, whilst also paying a caretaker coach.

 

[froars]

I think he means that all this talk about spitting and assaults is taking the focus away from the fact that Danny Frawley stinks as a coach.

Pure and simple.

 

[oxx]

Originally posted by Stog
2 things.

Number 1: You say u don't care how he has been treated. In saying that, you are pretty much saying you agree to Frawley getting bottles thrown at him, and getting spat on. Nobody, and I mean nobody deserves that treatment. We ahve all come to concede that Spud is a Dud coach, but he is a fantastic bloke and a much respected figure in the footy world. He deserves a lot more than that.

Number 2: Frawley will not be going anywhere till the end of the year, so just get used to it. This is due to the fact that the club simply CANNOT afford to pay out Spud, whilst also paying a caretaker coach.

No Stog.

Of course I dont agree with spitting and
bottles being thrown at him
but i do agree with the supporters being permitted to
express their dis-approval of his performance.

It is an ugly side of human nature when individuals
behave in such a manner and as i have stated
on previous threads, the perpetrator(s) should be
dealt with accordingly however one must ask
the question"
"What drove these people to this level of anger"

The whole focus is on us as a whole now while Spud gets called a nice guy
as he continues to further deteriorate as a coach.
It's all about The RFC Members/supporters being feral,
not why....and that ****es me off.

Im also sick of hearing about how nice a guy he is on every
second thread.
It doesn't matter !!
He's a lousy Football mind and communicator.

Secondly, Im not so sure he wont get the ars this year.
Only thing saving him would be a lack of available applicants.

 

[oxx]

Thanks Froars

 

[NQTIGER]

the guy is a dud.....if he had any character he would resign......but is so pigheaded and useless he will probably see out his contract

 

[Showbag]

I'm disappointed in Frawley. I'm disappointed in Richmond. But I can't wear the fact that people see fit to criticise Frawley and abuse him in such a way. For all that I have seen, Danny Frawley has acted in such a dignified, gracious manner. He has taken the problem we have too much to heart. How many members on this board would like such public scrutiny as Frawley has faced since he took up the job?

The facts, as I see it are:
1) We don't have the cattle.

2) The club is a complete and utter rabble. Two incidents from Friday come to mind:
i) when the team ran onto the ground, the Adelaide theme song was playing. The team didn't even wait for Craig Willis to welcome them to the arena. I have never seen such an unprofessional opening to a Richmond home game.

ii) Bowden took a mark inside our forward 50 and the ball was jarred away after the marking contest to about 25 metres away. He had to go get the ball himself, nobody was prepared to pick it up for him. There was Richmond players closer to the ball, but they don't think in terms of team, I'm not sure how they think.

3) Frawley was a risky choice as coach. With no prior head coaching experience, we must be the WORST choice when it comes to coaching.

4) Recruiting philosophy has stunk. While we prospered in 2001, I believe that the lack of foresight after that year was far too costly. Why go after rejects? Their justifications are flawed and laughed at by members. While a reject might represent a financial saving, they do not represent proper planning.

5) Through mega-deals handed to under performing players such as Daffy, Richardson, Holland, and now Gaspar, amongst others we have created a rod for our own back. Our players are overpaid and they stink. Their managers have screwed us over. Our inept administration, together with the AFL regulation that makes us pay 92.5% of our salary cap has allowed this to happen. I shudder at the money we will be forced into paying Ottens and Coughlan at season end. I would rather see them walk than to see us held to ransom again.

6) Our administration is moving away from those who are truly "Richmond people". Our propensity to dispense with true legends of the club is unrivalled. We need to remind Casey that the Richmond Football Club is a proud club and it is NOT a business. We can't lose people so important to our history and who can set us in the right direction for the future.

7) Our catch cry for this year should have been changed to "FLOOD OATH".

To blame the coach is too simplistic. We need to change the whole club and take a new view of what is required to administer a club. Move forward Richmond, or we will become the new Fitzroy. We need a proactive, not reactive culture. It is not about strong leaders, it's all about improving every facet of our club.

I'm sorry if I wasted too much bandwidth on this, it's just how I feel.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

i must say showbag.one of the best posts regarding spud and the rfc as a whole.
congrats

cheers!

 

[nineteen eighty]

Excellent post Showbag! The coach is but one element within a club. For 20+ years we have changed coaches every couple of years and look where has that got us. The problems lie well beneath the surface and I'm not sure what can be done about it.

I can see us being in a heap of trouble in years to come. Supertiger mentioned in another thread that we are losing a new generation of supporters because of our losing ways. This is the same thing that led to the Lions folding down here and has led to the doggies, roos and a couple of others being in a heap of strife. They too lost a whole generation of support because of their lack of success.

Everyone screaming that we need to get rid of Frawley now also needs to also consider our financial predicament. We simply cannot afford to sack him mid season and also pay a caretaker coach. If those who are screaming for his immediate sacking are so adamant that it should happen, then maybe you could dig deep into your pockets to pay him out. Otherwise, let up on the sacking theme. Quite a few people have stated that the club do as Collingwood did with T Shaw and I agree with this approach...and they need to do it NOW. But something also needs to happen regarding the culture and workings of the club.

 

[WilliamPowell]

I have needed the whole weekend to calm down enough to post on this topic because on Friday night I was ashamed and disgusted.

Firstly let me make this clear - I hate losing! I am as frustrated, disgusted, angry and disillusioned as everyone else. The only difference being I am in the minority because I have been a supporter of Danny Frawley and the RFC honouring his contract. I have always believed that the contract needed to be honour so if and when the time came we could get the best available coach. I do not want another Gieschen situation where we get a care-taker who then gets the gig permanantly. History tells us this doesn't work.

But on Friday night some so called Richmond people went to far and it was disgusting. Terry Wallace said it himself on Saturday the behaviour of some supporters will not get us a coach because who's want the job if they are going to subjected to abuse, threatening behaviour and spitting.

No-one and I mean no-one should be subjected to what went on in the race on Friday night. Danny Frawley's family should not subjected to being abused because of who their son is. they shouldn't have to move seats.

I am angry because as a member of the RFC I have been labelled by the moronic actions of a few. Sure people are entitled to get angry - but to spit - please? What are becoming - clones of English soccer holigans?

 

[1980]

There is one easy painless way to get rid of the rabble, the spitters, the abusive fans and the tauma to Danny Frawley's family.

Danny Frawley hands in his resignation letter.

He should agree with everyone else that he doesnt deserve this sort of abuse, and that its not worth it.

He's not doing anyone any good by staying. I find it highly hypocritical that his sister complains in public about how he is getting treated. Both her brother and her husband, who is also employed under the jobs for mates Frawley scheme, can leave anytime. No-one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to stay.

Great post ox. We dont need spitters or inempt coaches at this club. Good riddance to both

 

[oxx]

Originally posted by nineteen eighty



Everyone screaming that we need to get rid of Frawley now also needs to also consider our financial predicament. We simply cannot afford to sack him mid season and also pay a caretaker coach.
If those who are screaming for his immediate sacking are so adamant that it should happen, then maybe you could dig deep into your pockets to pay him out. Otherwise, let up on the sacking theme.

Quite a few people have stated that the club do as Collingwood did with T Shaw and I agree with this approach...and they need to do it NOW. But something also needs to happen regarding the culture and workings of the club.

Then he gets Pressured into resigning
And Brittain makes senior care/taker coach for the remainder.

In which time we've got 6 months to poach a pro. panel

 

[mellowyellow]

Originally posted by oxx
Fu k him off.

I dont reaally care if people think im an arshole for wanting him gone,its got to be.

I dont care about how he's been treated...this is a fotball
club ffs,they're all grown men who can look after themselves.

Why feel sorry for the dud when he's on 500,00 a year.
We're the ones who are paying to be ****ed.

GET RID OF HIM
IT'S BEYOND ANYTHING.

Sheesh oxx, chill out a little .........here, have a beer on me.

 

[oxx]

ROLLIN ON TTHE FLOOR LMAOOOOOO Mellow.

Thanx mate.ha