Enough!

[Rassilon]

Such discontent amongst Swans fans.

These reactions are like we were widely touted to go into this season top 4 favourites, if not flag favourites!

Perspective people, perspective! I'm not saying much which hasn't already been said in this thread, but it's incomprehensible to me that our coach, and much revered culture is being called into question.

And to the OP, it's "Roos" or "Roos' ", not "Roo's". His name isn't Paul Roo.

 

[magic.merkin]

haha geez you northerners get your panties in a bunch.

And to the OP you lost me at the end when you said you'd switch to another club.

As stated above, get some perspective. It's a multi million dollar industry deal with it, if you want to believe it's all about the game go watch local footy. With finals still on the line the coaching and selection committee (shock horror it's not all Paul's choice) aren't going to take anything but calculated gambles.

The current committees stance on kids earning their spot has been great in the past, and sifted the wheat from the chaff, look at who it's produced (hanners, smith, bird, reg, jack,Mal etc). What kids that have left us either by being pushed, or quitting have gone anywhere and been picked up in the past 5 years?

Playing kids right now isn't going to help their confidence or the team. Look at TDL, mature played against men for a few years and looked so out of place in his first few games. Are we really going to gamble with Reid down back this deep in the season? LJ might be a gun, but is he going to do any better than Jack Watts in his first few games? Maybe, maybe not.

We play mostly 5 big bodied mature finals contenders hungry for wins, cubs to the wolves I think at this stage. And it's all about finals and dollars, and it seems Sydney based fans need that to buy memberships, let alone turn up to games as has been said many times by the club, success is a must.

Maybe the year would have been different if we didn't win 5 straight at the start, and we had to experiment, maybe it would have been different if we didn't lose 3 of our most important KP players. If we finish 9th that's at least 3 spots ahead of where we were largely tipped to finish. Then look at what clubs are behind us, and think about that perspective some more.

 

[magic.merkin]

Oh fk yeah, drink it in swannies!

Anyone off the wagon i'm happy to lend a hand back on.

p.s this is why you aren't on any AFL coaching panels.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Yep... I recall a few years ago people saying we were just making up the 8... I recall people criticizing some of our 'hard bodies' and club seniors, calling for a completely youth-based approach. I think a balanced approach is needed now just as it was back then. If it works as it did back then, I'll be expecting another GF appearance in the decade.

 

[AG]

Paul Roos delivers. Why doubt?

 

[MushroomRocket]

Forgot there was a game on, missed going to the match too, ah well i enjoyed last night

anyways wth happened, can i get to see a replay for the money i have wasted?

Edit:

WOW FML big time just FML this is just sad, just imagine if this was RD 21 i would hack my leg off.

 

[magic.merkin]

Paul Roos delivers. Why doubt?

It's pretty quiet in here.

 

[DST]

Soph, what you and the other consistent reserves watchers need to understand is that what they do on a Saturday in the reserves has nothing to do with who will be considered for senior football next week or in the coming weeks.

Zip, nada, zilch, zero etc etc etc.

The only slight interest for the coaching staff will be if they can carry out their own and team instructions on match days.

Being able to play senior football will come down to their fitness base such running capacity and core strength, at what level of intensity they train at during the week and most importantly how they compete against senior players at tranining in practive games, drills and match type scenario's.

Outside of the club, we know nothing of that and if you want to base who should be getting a game based on 2 hours of football in the ACT comp, you have no hope.

DST

 

[Leg End]

Frankly, Roosy just came out with a big "told you so".

let's leave it with the experts, shall we?

 

[Swans120]

*Tumbleweed rolls across screen*

Well done, Roosy and co.

 

[swansfan51]

If no-one else wants to say it, I'll say it. That performance against Melbourne was completely unacceptable, and the win against Hawthorn does not change that. People were well within their rights to criticise the team after that effort, and it is ridiculous to claim that all is well just because the team won a game. If that was the case, the win against Carlton would have shown that all was well - you only needed to wait 1 week to see that it definitely wasn't.

A regular theme (not here, but across all supporters of all teams) is that players don't get the same criticism after a win, and after a loss everyone is accountable. There are still several players in this team who are a liability, and simply not playing well enough, but we won't hear that this week. It doesn't mean their flaws have disappeared.

 

[AG]

Yeah but most of you did it in such an arrogant way. You all failed hard acting like you were right and Roos was wrong. Telling everyone to "wake up and see the light" or saying you'll support the GC as if it's your way or the highway.

 

[AG]

Roos did well with TDL so there is another example. Gave him a taste for the seniors, could have dropped him after 1 game but gave him another, went back to the 2's and worked hard to get back in, comes back in and has a great game.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I find it comical that in the last couple of weeks people were saying roos was not to blame, it was the player's fault we were performing badly... yet we win 1 game against hawthorn, and people are coming out claiming it was roos midas touch...when essentially, all he did over the last 3 weeks was make 1 change...hardly the hand of god at work? lol

after the melbourne/geelong games...people were on roos back about his reluctance to play youth...

after the hawthorn game others came out and started blowing their own horns...

i think most of us were equally bandwagon hopping on opposite sides of the scale...i think in reality the truth is somewhere in the middle and most of us are guilty of jumping the gun somewhere along the line...

i think after those 2 loses some of us went searching for answers, some may think the answer has been found in the form of a dominant win over hawthorn...but i for one am not being lulled into a false sense of security this time around...i've fallen for it twice this season already...i'm just gonna sit back and hope we find some consistency in our remaining 3 games...but i am by no means confident we have navigated the rough seas and it'll be smooth sailing from here...

 

[AG]

You make it sound like the only job of a couch is to drop and promote players each week.

Most have acted like a supporters throughout this thread, others have acted like wannabe coaches. There is nothing wrong with backing Roos.

 

[magic.merkin]

i think after those 2 loses some of us went searching for answers, some may think the answer has been found in the form of a dominant win over hawthorn...but i for one am not being lulled into a false sense of security this time around...i've fallen for it twice this season already...i'm just gonna sit back and hope we find some consistency in our remaining 3 games...but i am by no means confident we have navigated the rough seas and it'll be smooth sailing from here...

To be honest, making the 8 round 1 was going to be a huge effort, and list vs list beyond us I thought. To then win 5 from 6 was outstanding, but we hadn't played the big boys. To then lose Seaby, Bolton and Bradshaw and still be where we are I find is remarkable and beyond what we should have expected.

If we get lucky and snag a finals appearance on the way back up, then so be it. But this side is 2-3 years from a top 4 finish and challenging for a flag. Lets be realistic, which I think a few people on here struggle with at times. The entire competition is geared towards a flag each per 16 years, and you only need to look at half a dozen clubs who have been waiting decades to see that isn't the case in reality (let's not forget our own break between drinks) Patience, and we will get there again.

Paul isn't the messiah, and everything in'ts fixed. But faith in them all do to do their jobs during the season on and off field is all we have, because we are supporters.
They can only be judged evenly and fairly at the end of the season, before then is just jumping the gun. Don't get me wrong, we can question mid season, but some of the statements/demands and threads coming out lately are WAY over the top.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

You make it sound like the only job of a couch is to drop and promote players each week.

Most have acted like a supporters throughout this thread, others have acted like wannabe coaches. There is nothing wrong with backing Roos.

when i said i find it comical, that's actually what i meant...the first paragraph of my post was tongue in cheek...

i'm happy with where we sit on the ladder...and with all things considered where in a great position...if anything we deserve to sit in 6th above carlton...and with 3 games to go that's where we might end up...a home final would be a fitting end to kirky/roos careers... but we've got alot of work to do...

in hindsight, the injuries we've had this year haven't been such a bad thing (bar bradshaw), it meant that we got to play alot of youngsters, pyke's had a great run, and bevan/richards have had an extended run in the seniors as a result...it been great for the guys that otherwise would've been sitting on the fringe...the only player that i really regret going down is bradshaw...the forward line was one area we didn't get to take full advantage of in terms of getting games into future prospects (obviously because our reserves hadn't stepped up to the plate)...but there are encouraging signs for the future...and our present is looking pretty good as well...

 

[Leg End]

If no-one else wants to say it, I'll say it. That performance against Melbourne was completely unacceptable, and the win against Hawthorn does not change that. People were well within their rights to criticise the team after that effort, and it is ridiculous to claim that all is well just because the team won a game. If that was the case, the win against Carlton would have shown that all was well - you only needed to wait 1 week to see that it definitely wasn't.

A regular theme (not here, but across all supporters of all teams) is that players don't get the same criticism after a win, and after a loss everyone is accountable. There are still several players in this team who are a liability, and simply not playing well enough, but we won't hear that this week. It doesn't mean their flaws have disappeared.

Rubbish.

Roos has said for years, even in our best years, that all 22 players have to stand up because we don't have the depth of other clubs. We have a year this year where our biggest stars have gone, injuries have smashed us and a number f young blokes have not stepped up to the mark and can't get out of ressies. This means our best 22, in a low depth club, is going to be severely challenged in a big transitional year.

You would normally expect such a club to be bottom 4 and aiming to climb higher over next 3-4 years.

But - we are in the 8 and looking good to play finals.

the Melbourne game - well, every club gets caught on the hop sometimes. Pretty much every club, including geelong, have copped a hiding this year.

But instead of whining and attacking coach and players, why not trust them to bounce back - which they have done.

 

[bedford]

Rubbish.

Roos has said for years, even in our best years, that all 22 players have to stand up because we don't have the depth of other clubs. We have a year this year where our biggest stars have gone, injuries have smashed us and a number f young blokes have not stepped up to the mark and can't get out of ressies. This means our best 22, in a low depth club, is going to be severely challenged in a big transitional year.

You would normally expect such a club to be bottom 4 and aiming to climb higher over next 3-4 years.

But - we are in the 8 and looking good to play finals.

the Melbourne game - well, every club gets caught on the hop sometimes. Pretty much every club, including geelong, have copped a hiding this year.

But instead of whining and attacking coach and players, why not trust them to bounce back - which they have done.

So why do we have low depth, somethings wrong somewhere.
People are allowed to question selection on this board and elsewhere otherwise forums wouldn't exist, ffs you question the umps all the time and that is your right.
Paul Roos is not perfect, the sooner everyone realises this the better. He is a legend for what he has done and we all love him , but he makes mistakes the same as anyone.

 

[magic.merkin]

Thed depth is there, otherwise we wouldn't be in the 8. The 2nd/3rd tier is just not earning its spot. That's Pauls statement.

 

[Tas]

also I'm not saying this because im dying to see these kids play and because i have a special bond with the Ressie's

its just before we know we will have undeveloped kids taking to the field and it will hurt how they play! I mean look how long its taken Richmond and Melbourne to get going and their kids are all still learning! Im not saying we will bottom out coz thats not the blood spirit but these kids will have no idea what has hit them and they deserve a chance to get a start!

I think a problem with lower grade is that the pace and speed is so far off AFL standard that if a kid spends too much time at this level it can really hurt them as they struggle to adjust to AFL speed.

Players often talk about struggling to cope with the difference in reaction speed. Guys that seem to be caught a lot or make bad decisions or dispose poorly do so because they are just not used to the pace of the game at AFL level and if you get too used to lower grade standards it can be something you just can't adjust to in a period that AFL coaches give you to adjust.

That is also another priority to help raise the second tier standard that the NSW and QLD clubs will have access to.

 

[bedford]

Would have to agree with all of that, Tas.

 

[disgruntled goat]

So why do we have low depth, somethings wrong somewhere.
People are allowed to question selection on this board and elsewhere otherwise forums wouldn't exist, ffs you question the umps all the time and that is your right.
Paul Roos is not perfect, the sooner everyone realises this the better. He is a legend for what he has done and we all love him , but he makes mistakes the same as anyone.

"Question" umps??? That's being kind. Leg End shoots umps first ...

 

[Tas]

I found myself wondering today at what point Cats fans will turn on Thompson once their golden era begins to wane. It'll be absolutely stupid, but it will happen.

Matthews was given life time coaching option at Collingwood after the 1990 flag, sacked in 1995.

Whenever a club is in a glut, the coach is usually one of the first to go.

 

[AG]

Yeah but we know Roos is going at the end of the year, so that's why I view it as others are just kicking him on the way out.