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[Topkent]

That’s the circular argument here, much of that is game state. Arsenal consistently face the lowest blocks across the league so need to find ways to unlock the game. Because when teams step up to play, such as Spurs twice this season, they get pounded with 8 open play goals.

Arsenal have been consistently criticised for only having one way of playing, beautiful Wenger style football that looks lovely in goal compilation clips but ultimately you finish 4th and get dismissed by by Barca or Bayern Munich in the CL knockouts. This current iteration of Arsenal has developed that hard edge win whichever way possible approach many criticised was lacking for so many years.

Atletico Madrid stepped up to play a few months ago and were dismantled 4-0. Teams shit themselves seeing that so that they sit back and adjust their tactics understandably. It will be the same tonight with Moyes visiting The Emirates. They will set up accordingly and that’s fine, that’s the nature of football, the onus is on Arsenal to continue to find ways to overcome it.

Nah teams did the same against Chelsea, my point was they hard Drogba, Cole, Robben, Lampard etc who provided magic.

Arsenal have Havertz, Rice, Trossard, Odegaard, Martinelli.
Not exactly the same

 

[chef]

I think all the better sides have to face lower blocks nearly every week nowadays, Arsenal arent an island there. Thats just the league. Some can still try and play more adventurous football.

 

[glenferry23]

Nah teams did the same against Chelsea, my point was they hard Drogba, Cole, Robben, Lampard etc who provided magic.

Arsenal have Havertz, Rice, Trossard, Odegaard, Martinelli.
Not exactly the same

I’m not sure if the conversation has become a like for like comparison of forward set ups, that’s a different point to what is being put forward earlier by Cruyff etc. Because yes if you lined up Arsenal’s attack against other teams past and present, it would’nt stack up well.

In fact even across Europe now, when I see the firepower across the likes of PSG, Bayern etc, it’s scary stuff. Arsenal’s forwards for a host of reasons and have had a stop start nature to them this season and at times it’s a disjointed and misfiring attack I find. We leave many goals out on the pitch with a lack of that killer in front of goal. It has the potential to bite you come the end of the season, which is another reason Arsenal need to continue to find ways into goal. Quite often that world class killer can be the difference.

 

[RossFC]

Been reading a bit about Van De Ven lately, I reckon he's a world class LB playing the wrong position. Brilliant at driving with the ball, fast as **** and a good one on one defender. I reckon Liverpool or someone should buy him and play him LB. He'd played there like 3 times under Ange and was so good, just never got the chance really with all the injuries to other CBs and himself

Reckon he goes to United to replace Dalot/Malacia, and compete with Shaw.

 

[Topkent]

Reckon he goes to United to replace Dalot/Malacia, and compete with Shaw.

There's no competition he's much better than Shaw

 

[Topkent]

I’m not sure if the conversation has become a like for like comparison of forward set ups, that’s a different point to what is being put forward earlier by Cruyff etc. Because yes if you lined up Arsenal’s attack against other teams past and present, it would’nt stack up well.

In fact even across Europe now, when I see the firepower across the likes of PSG, Bayern etc, it’s scary stuff. Arsenal’s forwards for a host of reasons and have had a stop start nature to them this season and at times it’s a disjointed and misfiring attack I find. We leave many goals out on the pitch with a lack of that killer in front of goal. It has the potential to bite you come the end of the season, which is another reason Arsenal need to continue to find ways into goal. Quite often that world class killer can be the difference.

Yeah I mean it's a fair argument to say Arsenal's attack is so poor compared to others that it's unreal Arteta is still squeezing wins out of the team.

I just think that's a little to do with why the criticism is stronger now for Arsenal, apart from Rice against Madrid you're just not seeing world class arsenal goals

 

[glenferry23]

Yeah I mean it's a fair argument to say Arsenal's attack is so poor compared to others that it's unreal Arteta is still squeezing wins out of the team.

I just think that's a little to do with why the criticism is stronger now for Arsenal, apart from Rice against Madrid you're just not seeing world class arsenal goals

The season is long and easily things can be forgotten. Without even thinking too much about in the league you’ve had Trossard from outside the box against Sunderland, Gyokeres v Spurs, Martinelli v City, Zubimendi v Forest. The goals are there, and there’s room for plenty more no denying that. However that can get lost in the narrative sometimes.

At this stage of the season though, Arsenal have historically fallen away. Whatever method gets the job done is the most effective, the lack of a world class finisher in front of goal has cost Arsenal prior. Let’s see.

 

[chef]

Yeah I mean it's a fair argument to say Arsenal's attack is so poor compared to others that it's unreal Arteta is still squeezing wins out of the team.

I just think that's a little to do with why the criticism is stronger now for Arsenal, apart from Rice against Madrid you're just not seeing world class arsenal goals

Probably as much as they set up as the attacking talent. They pretty seem to go 4 CBs and 3 CMs, i guess it leaves them short up the other end.

But they play to their strengths and it works.

 

[Topkent]

Probably as much as they set up as the attacking talent. They pretty seem to go 4 CBs and 3 CMs, i guess it leaves them short up the other end.

But they play to their strengths and it works.

Apart from Saka, you could probably name 20 players in the league before Arsenal's second best attacker gets a mention. That's just unusual for a title winning side

 

[Mr Meow]

Apart from Saka, you could probably name 20 players in the league before Arsenal's second best attacker gets a mention. That's just unusual for a title winning side

And Saka hasn't had amazing output this season either. Still, lots of players have chipped in, including O.Goal. A world class defence and midfield can clearly take you pretty far.

 

[TY24]

Absolutely. Teams are scared. They come and play against us, we get space and then we torch teams. So they play super defensive but it's our fault. Go figure.

The Great Pep Guardiola was using Haaland as an extra centre back after going 1-0 up at the Emirates.

Can you imagine if Arteta did that? The internet would implode upon itself.

 

[jd2010]

Probably as much as they set up as the attacking talent. They pretty seem to go 4 CBs and 3 CMs, i guess it leaves them short up the other end.

But they play to their strengths and it works.

Pulis was before his time with

Dawson - McCauley - Evans - Olsson
Fletcher - Yacob - Gardner

 

[chef]

Pulis was before his time with

Dawson - McCauley - Evans - Olsson
Fletcher - Yacob - Gardner

 

[Cruyff14]

Yeah I mean it's a fair argument to say Arsenal's attack is so poor compared to others that it's unreal Arteta is still squeezing wins out of the team.

I just think that's a little to do with why the criticism is stronger now for Arsenal, apart from Rice against Madrid you're just not seeing world class arsenal goals

Do world class goals count for more than set piece goals?

 

[Topkent]

Do world class goals count for more than set piece goals?

Not remotely close to the point I was making but sure if you wanna go down this path, yes in people's mind for how boring a team is yes they do

 

[RPCB]

Minteh, Maicon’d the hell out of his goal.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Havertz should get a week for that dive

 

[Coasters7]

Here we go again. Fofana and Caicedo both getting yellows for winning the ball. Expect one to get sent off in the second half

 

[Topkent]

Here we go again. Fofana and Caicedo both getting yellows for winning the ball. Expect one to get sent off in the second half

Leave some tin foil for the BBQ mate

 

[Coasters7]

Leave some tin foil for the BBQ mate

Go watch both challenges again. Fofana doesn’t make contact with Gordon who takes a dive and Caicedo wins the ball clear as day

 

[Mr Meow]

Surely not another conspiracy against Chelsea.

That makes it like 30 match weeks in a row.

 

[Topkent]

Go watch both challenges again. Fofana doesn’t make contact with Gordon who takes a dive and Caicedo wins the ball clear as day

For sure mate, I'll go order a streaming service to re watch two yellow card tackles in a game

 

[Topkent]

Surely not another conspiracy against Chelsea.

That makes it like 30 match weeks in a row.

It's just one big conspiracy

 

[Topkent]

Everton have been good value here so far, unlucky not to be infront

 

[Mr Meow]

For sure mate, I'll go order a streaming service to re watch two yellow card tackles in a game

You could organise playdates at Coaster's house and watch Chelsea games for free?