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I think GG has expressed very well why he should.
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I strongly disagree with him but credit to him, he hasn't come out and complained that his free speech has had consequences unlike some of our politicians who would like to peddle the same rubbish where they feel their free speech is more important than anyone else's use of free speech to oppose them. That's not how it works.
I'm more disappointed with the description of him as "a devout Christian" in the coverage of his comments. There's plenty of Christian faiths that don't believe gay people are going to Hell, and implying that being a devout Christian unfairly tars many who just happen to have a related but not identical faith.
I'm more disappointed with the description of him as "a devout Christian" in the coverage of his comments. There's plenty of Christian faiths that don't believe gay people are going to Hell, and implying that being a devout Christian unfairly tars many who just happen to have a related but not identical faith.
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We interrupt the discussion of Israel Folau to bring you a rant on a pet peeve of mine: freedom of speech.
There is no freedom of speech under Australian law, just an implied right to political speech. There are any number of limitations to speech, including defamation and vilification laws which do not trump an individual’s right to say whatever they goddamn please.
“Not posting online” is actually a limitation on the platform you can use to express views. The internet is not the public domain where people have rights to participate freely and unfettered. Eg, you don’t have the right to call us “plastic” on Big Footy, but you can in any pub in Footscray. People post on privately owned applications and services and agree to the terms and conditions imposed by those applications. The owners (or their surrogates) of those applications can then sanction any breach of those terms.
The case law also appears to allow for employment contracts (which Folau has with the ARU) to restrict speech, particularly if it could damage the reputation of the employer.
The above is not legal advice and please consult a legal practitioner before relying on such advice.*
*another example of limitations on speech imposed by Govt in relation to particular groups.
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Fair enough
I get you're the professional but the lack of a bill of rights has been pissing me off for decades. The high court "magically" finding an implied right of free speech on political matters, was a case of legislation by the judiciary to me, but thank god they did.
On employment matters it infuriates me when an SBS journalist is sacked for expressing negativity around ANZAC Day. I've actually known many first and second generation Australians who say it confuses them, and makes them feel alienated. Open discussion is obviously a necessary step on how to fix it, to me.
Nearest parallel I can think of is Bob Carr legislating huge fines after someone speared a Blue Groper in Clovelly. If the fish or any other swims 500m to Gordons Bay it's fair game. Shooting Bambi figuratively in both cases.
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With freedom also comes responsibilty, the later is often not exercised.
More often than not people exercising their "freedom of speech" only proves to most that they are truly a Class A Butthole.
Not need to list examples.
More often than not people exercising their "freedom of speech" only proves to most that they are truly a Class A Butthole.
Not need to list examples.
For a start, we don’t have freedom of speech in Australia - and even if we did, it’s not without consequences. Being able to freely express your opinions does not stop others for calling you out on your bigoted hate speech, riddled with hypocrisy.
I mean, he’s using Leviticus now. What a hypocritical toolbag.
Israel has tattoos - Leviticus 19:28 “Ye shall not... print any marks upon you”
And tell me again, when the Waratahs play? - Leviticus 19:3 “Ye shall keep my Sabbath”
I wonder if he likes a good prawn cocktail or crab claw? Leviticus 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.
These ignorant ar$eholes that cherry pick the bits they want but feel free to completely ignore other bits because it doesn’t suit them s#*t me.
Freedom of speech? Spare me. Doesn’t shield you from being called on it.
I mean, he’s using Leviticus now. What a hypocritical toolbag.
Israel has tattoos - Leviticus 19:28 “Ye shall not... print any marks upon you”
And tell me again, when the Waratahs play? - Leviticus 19:3 “Ye shall keep my Sabbath”
I wonder if he likes a good prawn cocktail or crab claw? Leviticus 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.
These ignorant ar$eholes that cherry pick the bits they want but feel free to completely ignore other bits because it doesn’t suit them s#*t me.
Freedom of speech? Spare me. Doesn’t shield you from being called on it.
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Dont remember any laws about freedom of speach.
But we do have a rather particular and important law about anti-discrimination.
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Personally I am not against anyone labelling themselves publicly with comments like his, it's makes it much easier for me to decide whether I like them or not.
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I have a shortcut, if Alan Jones supports someone then I'm pretty sure I wont like them. The Ella Brothers a possible exception.
Dev Smith having a good game but see his selfish tendencies are still dominant. Could have iced the game but went for the glory goal instead :-(
James Stewart is doing a super job and is really carving out a good career.
James Stewart is doing a super job and is really carving out a good career.
Yep. WHE showing more for the pies. Mind you, not huge difference.
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Well, neither gave us as much as we wanted, but holding onto one of them would have given us more experience in the small/medium forward role than we currently have.
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I would guess it is more noticeable because he is playing injured, His ankle is a worry and would be interested to see what he has done to it maybe ligaments
Sure, and he’s not getting as much as the ball as he could if he was fully fit. But he’s still painfully slow and I don’t think he’s got the hurt factor or poise to make up for that.
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11 possessions, 8 contested, his biggest issue is the lack of people to distribute to, very young and playing at less than 100%.
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Some of Column A and some of Column B for mine. Those 'lack of hurt' factors on which GWS presumably made its decision are exacerbated with any injury such as he seems to be carrying. I still think he was over-hyped at the time because of the Victorian anti-academy crusade, and had he been more accurately assessed would be carrying less weight of expectations. Remember that he's only third year, and no Patrick Cripps!
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Kobe Mutch doing alright in his first quarter of AFL footy.
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And Spargo too.
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That I'll be happy to see. His AFL debut is long overdue. I expect to go down fir the game.
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