jannissary
AAAAAAAAAAARGH!
i recall going to a day of cricket ages ago where they gave out free juice outside the ground that wasn't allowed in
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Fall and Fall of Big Bash
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Cleavy
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since we're always discussing the pros/cons of NZ teams in the BBL. maybe no more Super Smash soon? https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/plans-being-developed-for-nz20-league-in-january-2027-1513167
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So Kiwis can look forward to the Dunedin Super Kings playing the Auckland Knight Riders.
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Cleavy
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feels like a lot of damage control and not as much for grassroots, based on those suggested figures/allocations.The Big Bash has fallen so much that it'll only generate half a billion dollars for Australian cricket...
The 400 million reasons behind Cricket Australia’s Big Bash sale
How money raised from the partial sale of BBL teams would be carved up, and how much would go to grassroots cricket.
Art Vandelay_
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You keep making this statement based on the subjective view on the decline in quality of cricketer being produced.
Yet we're very often in the top 3 for test and odi rankings, and our dips below that don't last too long. We have competed in 2/3 WTC finals, under the old format were the nation that held the mace the most. We routinely make it to at least SF stages of ICC events and would undoubtedly have the most ICC trophies. Men and Women's cricket.
Participation is strong, with the ABS data from 13/14 suggesting around 270k participants in the game. The CA annual report for 23/24 had participation at around 660k people. The growth in girls and women's cricket has exploded in the last decade.
Grassroots cricket 'cooked' to my mind smells of confirmation bias.
Go deeper into the stats or better still talk to people involved or better still again be a participant.
I’ve been playing for 40 years and coaching for 25 years. My comments are based upon my knowledge and my knowledge of the stats that they are using.
Explosion in Mickey Mouse junior cricket is NOT helping senior cricket - like AFL the drop out rates at 14-16 are massive.
Happy to debate you but come armed with some material other than you don’t like what I am saying
jannissary
AAAAAAAAAAARGH!
cost of living currently also represents a big challenge for young families. cricket equipment isn't cheap, and the time sink for something like cricket significantly takes away from the opportunity to complete homework for young(er) people. compare that with basketball, soccer, futsal, afl etc and you'll see why there's limited amounts of people still participating in cricket at junior levels. only the most diehard kids will continue playing.
hell, i stopped playing because i needed more time for things like work, both at university and working while studying. nowadays i just don't have the time to sacrifice.
Art Vandelay_
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- Oct 28, 2012
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That's a sweeping generalisation and somewhat presumptuous as well.
The idea that from what I gather you've likely been involved in the game at a higher level than I brings you into contact with people 'involved' and that people like myself aren't participants. I'm mid 30s and barring a couple of years at Uni have been involved with cricket in some form - indoor and outdoor; juniors and seniors - since I was 7.
So its based on your experiences then. Which while substantial in length would be just a snippet of the overall picture nationwide.
And if you'd said that then I'd have agreed with you, but you weren't positing this time that short form cricket is eroding cricket skills but more 'grassroots is cooked'. Which depends on the metric you're using.
If you want to make the argument that 'grassroots is cooked' from a skills POV then that could very well be valid and you could mount the case you have in the past regarding senior pros in Grade Cricket. Albeit, the erosion of skills could be down to other factors such as T20 cricket gaining prominence.
You seem to be approaching it from the same angle as other times, that the standard is 'cooked'. Which is subjective. Countered by our ability to consistently produce high quality men's and women's international cricketers, which is turn leads to sustained excellence and high performance of both teams. We're consistently one of the best ranked nations in world cricket.
If you were to argue that grassroots level has some challenges, among them converting youth participation into adults then you'd have nearly all agreeing with you I'd imagine. It isn't about liking or disliking. It's about whether I agree with you. And I think you're approaching this broad topic with a very narrow lense.
Which appears to be 'what's happening at Grade Level'. Because at all levels the data suggests that in some facets grassroots is anything but cooked. But in fact thriving. Just my area alone has seen a 20% jump in participation 23/24 to 24/25. And all facets have seen increases. Junior boys and girls and senior men and women.
Girls and women's involvement in particular exploding. From 17 women's teams in 19/20 to 58 teams this season and 35 girls teams when there was 0 at the start of covid.
Black Diamond
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Jamming more and more kids who don’t care that much into more teams, and then running a trivial competition is not a sign of a healthy game. Particularly when they are taught garbage.
This leads to disillusionment in teenage years and that is a big part of the drop off.
As a pure numbers game you might end up with a good test XI. But we have running this experiment for a while with dubious results.
I don’t care that we’re number one most of the time. Most other countries have made the same mistakes as us. The overall quality is way down.
This leads to disillusionment in teenage years and that is a big part of the drop off.
As a pure numbers game you might end up with a good test XI. But we have running this experiment for a while with dubious results.
I don’t care that we’re number one most of the time. Most other countries have made the same mistakes as us. The overall quality is way down.
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I agree with concerns around batter's techniques because of T20 cricket, but it's also allowing for more people to make a living and for some to become millionaires. It used to be that only 11 or so players could make real money at any one time compare to 600 or so playing Aussie rules. But now players like AJ Tye or Tim David are making money year-round and the overall number making a living is rising. I imagine it will play a big role in retaining kids at some point.
peternorth
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Growing the game!
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Nepotism is rife in junior cricket. We've all heard of the coach's son getting picked despite being useless. I knew someone who missed out on a rep team because he went to a public school.
Footy has become a bit of a closed shop with private schools but it's nowhere near cricket levels.
And you wonder why kids get discouraged and quit?
Footy has become a bit of a closed shop with private schools but it's nowhere near cricket levels.
And you wonder why kids get discouraged and quit?
