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Invite him to the nuptials. Introduce him to someone you don't like.
 
Messenger said:
Are you a crybabyish fat ****, Gough? Coz that'll really make the Dtrain crazy....
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Nothing wrong with gays. If you don't affect others through your personal characteristics then you can choose what you want to do. Surprised you missed this point in the OP :rolleyes:!
 

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Miqar_Baqfhied said:
Too right. High intensity interval training is much better. In fact 10 minutes a day of high intensity interval sprints is equivalent to walking for 4 hours, and jogging for about 45 mins. If you wanna lose wegith quick grab a mate and a footy and make some leads and hit each other on the tit for half an hour everyday. Its all about sprints and getting a high heart rate. Plus kicking a fotty will make it fun.
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That's not neccessarily true, to loose weight people are better off doing aerobic activity for a longer duration typicaly around 60 minutes with a heart rate of 60-70% their maximum heart rate.
 
Gough said:
Not a massive fan of ****s either if my memory serves me. I carry 5 or so kilos. I'm a fat **** DTRAIN87, come at me.
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Wanna hang out some time?


Gough said:
Shocking isn't it. I might want to marry my boyfriend of 11 years one day too. If that happens the very fabric of the universe will come unravelled and DTRAIN87 would be even angrier than he usually seems to be.
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Caesar said:
I am just saying that people like you who ascribe moral deficiencies to people on the basis of being overweight (lack of motivation, discipline, commitment, unwillingness to take responsibility for their own circumstances) are operating from a position of unwarranted smugness.
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Smug? Perhaps. However by not letting oneself get to that spot in the first place I wouldn't say myself or others are unwarranted. The two biggest fully preventable expenses on society are obesity and smoking. Both things people have 100% control over with willpower and both that cost the country billions that everyone has to tip in to pay the inevitable medical costs for down the line. Personal responsibility for what you do and where you've got to is unfortunately a lost thing in this day and age.

The only fat people who aren't to blame for their predicament are children. Which in that case comes under extremely bad parenting instead.
 
DTRAIN87 said:
Why are fat people so depressing and crybabyish through the way they act?

Have a guy at work who I need to resolve problems with on a constant basis. Comes in and acts like the sky is falling down whenever things don't go his way.

This seems to be a recurring issue with him and two other fat people there and never with non fat people.

What do you think???
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Probably coz they work with a fattist prick
 
17beams said:
That's not neccessarily true, to loose weight people are better off doing aerobic activity for a longer duration typicaly around 60 minutes with a heart rate of 60-70% their maximum heart rate.
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Your qualifications in this area?
 

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17beams said:
That's not neccessarily true, to loose weight people are better off doing aerobic activity for a longer duration typicaly around 60 minutes with a heart rate of 60-70% their maximum heart rate.
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you are both right, but wrong. It's calorie expendature. eat less, move more. lift some weights son.

I prefer intervals because they are quick. but they wreck me.
 
Gimpy_ said:
you are both right, but wrong. It's calorie expendature. eat less, move more. lift some weights son.

I prefer intervals because they are quick. but they wreck me.
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Intervals leave your metabolism raised after you've stopped the exercising, which often gets overlooked in the comparison. If you are trying to lose weight a mixture of longer duration and intervals would probably suit best.
 
Andre said:
Smug? Perhaps. However by not letting oneself get to that spot in the first place I wouldn't say myself or others are unwarranted. The two biggest fully preventable expenses on society are obesity and smoking. Both things people have 100% control over with willpower and both that cost the country billions that everyone has to tip in to pay the inevitable medical costs for down the line. Personal responsibility for what you do and where you've got to is unfortunately a lost thing in this day and age.
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You're implying that you have a greater claim to willpower, self responsibility, discipline and so forth simply by virtue of not being overweight. People become overweight for many reasons, many of which often have more to do with circumstances than personal failings. Losing that weight involves a lot of challenges not typically faced by people who have had the good fortune to have never got into that position.

That's why I regard such smugness as unwarranted. Like I said, it's always the people who have never been overweight themselves who are the first to accuse overweight people of lacking self responsibility. The people who have been on both sides of the fence are usually far more circumspect.
 
Andre said:
Intervals leave your metabolism raised after you've stopped the exercising, which often gets overlooked in the comparison. If you are trying to lose weight a mixture of longer duration and intervals would probably suit best.
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yeah but, how significant is the calorie expenditure during that time. anyway, lifting weights does the same thing. don't know why lifting weights continues to be overlooked by people in gyms. i've said it before, the same fatties that were there when i started at this gym im at are still there, and have the same gut that they started with!
 
Gimpy_ said:
yeah but, how significant is the calorie expenditure during that time.
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you probably expend a more energy when not exercising than exercising, in totality, but only because you spend a lot more time not exercising than exercising. even a beast who spends 4 hours a day in full on physical exercise is still spending 5 times that amount not exercising...

do you expend calories at five times the rate you do exercising then when not exercising?? obviously there's a lot of factors that go into that but i doubt it, and that's for someone who trains 4 hours a day which is very few people.

they key is to getting your metabolic rate up so that when you are not exercising you're still burning energy.

all good exercise will do that, but in my own experience and from viewing others and reading text, it seems to me the best methods in order are 1) repeated sprints and interval training, 2) weights, 3) steady state cardio. no qual's for this, just years of being active, trying different things and training with others... everyone is different though.

there's also the mental and recovery side of things. sprint training is hard. ****ing hard. and if you're mind and body aren't up to it that it either deflates your motivation or you burn yourself so hard you can't do another session for a couple of weeks, then it probably isn't going to work for you.

ultimately it's really just maths - more energy in than energy out, weight goes up.
 
Caesar said:
People become overweight for many reasons, many of which often have more to do with circumstances than personal failings. Losing that weight involves a lot of challenges not typically faced by people who have had the good fortune to have never got into that position.
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Absolutely.

Weight gain is an extremely complex issue. As well as the multiple psychological and social issues, an increasing number of genes are being discovered which impact on apatite, compensation after overeating etc.

There has never been a population based approach to weight loss that has been successful, anywhere in the world, ever (apart from starving a population, say in concentration camps and apart from one, relatively small trial in some sort of closed Amish type community).

One interesting study took kids, overweight and not overweight, and let them pig out on whatever they wanted to at McDonalds. Both groups ate approximately the same amount (stuffed themselves as kids in a candy store will). The children were followed up over the following days and those who weren't overweight tended to compensate by eating less, whilst the overweight kids continued to consume their normal diet (wish I could find the reference).

Whilst I have never been overweight, I feel that a compassionate approach is best, using a variety of approaches including referral to psychology, dieticians and medical specialists where appropriate, as well as providing practical advice and encouragement with regards to diet and lifestyle changes. This involves establishing a trusting non-judgemental relationship over a period of time. In my experience, this facilitates much better results than my old simplistic approach of telling people how to suck eggs (a short patronising, often grumpy lecture about energy in vs energy out).

One positive message is that even modest weight loss can significantly reduce morbidity (not just hypertension, heart attack, stroke, sleep apnoea and diabetic related organ failure, but many types of cancer, gout, osteoarthritis and many others including, of course, mental illness).

A positive approach, in my opinion, includes recognising not gaining further weight as a victory, and concentrating on the whole person (emotional, social, physical) rather than purely focusing on weight per se. whilst setting incremental and attainable goals.

I'm not aware of any evidence that shows that hanging shit on overweight people for being unhappy or unfit, or apportioning blame for behaviours that involve a complex interplay of multiple factors, is at all a successful approach. In fact, it's probably counterproductive.
 

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Stratton_Gun said:
OP is a knob. The fat people I know are generally more laid back
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Is that because they can't get up?

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I'm here all week, try the salad bar.
 
HahnPremium said:
Doubtful.
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Why do you say that?

Is it so inconceivable that someone who has never struggled with weight might have some compassion for those that have?

You're so very shallow.
FYI: I'm 183cm and about 76kg give or take a kg or 2, the heaviest and least fit I've ever been.
 
The food they eat would have to contribute to the way they feel. Maybe if they ate some fruit they'd be happier and more energetic rather then having a coke or Mars bar and feeling like shit after the initial Sugar high.
 
17beams said:
That's not neccessarily true, to loose weight people are better off doing aerobic activity for a longer duration typicaly around 60 minutes with a heart rate of 60-70% their maximum heart rate.
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Nah this is a complete total myth. The higher your heart rate and harder your working the more fat you will be burning. The higher the intensity the better.
 

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