Fat campaigners

[NSWCROW]

I'm fat
Have no issues with it....cept for campaigners who think it's ok to have a crack....then you're fair game.
OP's obviously the greatest campaigner who ever lived.
Can we hang out so i can learn how to become a sick campaigner like you mate ???

 

[Summer Nights]

Fatties. Weaker minds = whinging. Whinging = loser mentality. It makes sense that one of the factors that leads to obesity (weak character) goes hand in hand with a loser mentality (whinging). I'd say on average, based on personal experience and no statistics, fatties are generally more likely to be shit people, such as smokers and non-achievers. Having said that, I wouldn't say it's a huge difference, just a higher likelihood.



Come at me fatties.

 

[Grin]

Nah this is a complete total myth. The higher your heart rate and harder your working the more fat you will be burning. The higher the intensity the better.

Exercise, whilst very good for you, has a quite moderate effect on weight (despite the myth perpetuated by the Biggest Loser etc. Our bodies are extremely efficient at turning food into energy. Reducing your intake is by far the best way to lose weight.
Exercise is still great for increasing cardiac and mental health. It also reduces cholesterol, BP and risk of diabetes.

 

[checkraiseulite]

People become overweight for many reasons, many of which often have more to do with circumstances than personal failings.

Besides lack of exercise, an unbalanced diet and poor impulse control, why do people become overweight?

 

[Caesar]

I'd say on average, based on personal experience and no statistics, fatties are generally more likely to be shit people

Chin up, you'll drop those keggers.

Besides lack of exercise, an unbalanced diet and poor impulse control, why do people become overweight?

Diet and exercise are the two main factors that affect your weight, although biological predispositions also play a part.

There are a ton of reasons why they can get out of balance. Why would you seize on poor impulse control in particular? Preconceptions?

 

[checkraiseulite]

There are a ton of reasons why they can get out of balance. Why would you seize on poor impulse control in particular? Preconceptions?

My personal experience. The majority of fat people I know have terrible impulse control, not just with regard to their diet but also in other areas of their lives.

No doubt biology plays a role in terms of weight, but I feel it's rare that genetics will lead to someone being subtantially overweight irrespective of their diet and exercise regime.

 

[Caesar]

The majority of fat people I know have terrible impulse control, not just with regard to their diet but also in other areas of their lives.

Preconceptions then. There are plenty of people with poor impulse control who are overweight, and there are plenty of overweight people who don't have poor impulse control.

I think if you looked into the statistics behind genetic predisposition to obesity and so forth, you'd be surprised. It is within everybody's control to be a healthy weight, but the relative difficulty attached to attaining and and maintaining a healthy weight varies massively from individual to individual. Throw in environmental factors, and it's a complex equation.

 

[bunsen burner]

I'm a fat ****, come at me.

where? in the face? i guess you reap what you blow.

 

[bunsen burner]

Have take-away around once a fortnight (no need to cut out all tasty food), but otherwise eat 5 - 6 healthy, reasonable sized meals throughout the day and don't drink sugary drinks or alcohol.

Wow, you sound like a barrel of fun.

 

[Andre]

Wow, you sound like a barrel of fun.

I'll have a drink if I go out (which with kids would make around once a month these days), but don't see the need to work on a beer belly at home during the week. A six-pack of West End is not the six-pack being worked towards.

And amazing as it seems to those who have KFC or Macca's 5 times a week healthy and tasty food do not have to be mutually exclusive. The whole 'fresh food is more expensive' is a fallacy and excuse.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Preconceptions then. There are plenty of people with poor impulse control who are overweight, and there are plenty of overweight people who don't have poor impulse control.

I think if you looked into the statistics behind genetic predisposition to obesity and so forth, you'd be surprised. It is within everybody's control to be a healthy weight, but the relative difficulty attached to attaining and and maintaining a healthy weight varies massively from individual to individual. Throw in environmental factors, and it's a complex equation.

I can't believe you were calling other posters 'smug' before. There are plenty of people who are fat because they have poor impulse control.

We don't live in a vacuum and so I'll take the statistics relating to genetic predisposition towards obesity with a pretty large grain of salt.

 

[Caesar]

There are plenty of people who are fat because they have poor impulse control.

Really? I doubt you'd find many healthcare professionals who'd characterise the matter so simplistically. Weight problems are seldom the result of one particular factor. It's usually a combination of several, any of which on their own would not necessarily lead to someone being overweight.

It always seems to be people who like to think of themselves as superior to those who are overweight who ascribe the condition to personal failings. I've never really understood the fixation, personally.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Really? I doubt you'd find many healthcare professionals who'd characterise the matter so simplistically. Weight problems are seldom the result of one particular factor. It's usually a combination of several, any of which on their own would not necessarily lead to someone being overweight.

It always seems to be people who like to think of themselves as superior to those who are overweight who ascribe the condition to personal failings. I've never really understood the fixation, personally.

Why (in your personal opinion) were you overweight?

 

[Caesar]

Why (in your personal opinion) were you overweight?

I tore my ACL at around the same time I was suffering from depression. The combination of the two affected my lifestyle which resulted in me putting on weight. It wasn't helped by the fact I was at the point in my life where my metabolism was also slowing down.

 

[Grin]

There are plenty of people who are fat because they have poor impulse control.

We don't live in a vacuum and so I'll take the statistics relating to genetic predisposition towards obesity with a pretty large grain of salt.

Some people who don't finish year 12 Math and science and who don't go on to attain graduate and post graduate qualifications in science or engineering are lazy = People who don't have a post graduate qualifications in science or engineering are likely to be lazy.

See the fault in the logic?

Or do you categorise people who are obese similarly to those too lazy to get post graduate qualifications in one of the sciences.

 

[checkraiseulite]

it's perfectly rational to conclude that:

(a) poor impulse control can lead to excess consumption, and therefore;
(b) some people are overweight as a result of their poor impulse control.

 

[Simple Jack]

Some people who don't finish year 12 Math and science and who don't go on to attain graduate and post graduate qualifications in science or engineering are lazy = People who don't have a post graduate qualifications in science or engineering are likely to be lazy.

See the fault in the logic?

Or do you categorise people who are obese similarly to those too lazy to get post graduate qualifications in one of the sciences.

What about obese people with post grad qualifications in science

 

[checkraiseulite]

Or do you categorise people who are obese similarly to those too lazy to get post graduate qualifications in one of the sciences.

Taking a broader view though yes, the lazier you are the more likely you are to be fat.

 

[Andre]

Or do you categorise people who are obese similarly to those too lazy to get post graduate qualifications in one of the sciences.

That's a bullshit argument. This assumes that a degree in science or engineering somehow tops someone choosing a trade, to become a doctor or an accountant or a different profession. Depending on what you want to do each are the right choice for a person. You can't argue obesity as opposed to a healthy weight is the right choice for any person.

 

[Grin]

That's a bullshit argument. This assumes that a degree in science or engineering somehow tops someone choosing a trade, to become a doctor or an accountant or a different profession. Depending on what you want to do each are the right choice for a person. You can't argue obesity as opposed to a healthy weight is the right choice for any person.

Probably a bad example, but just pointing out that it is ignorant and unhelpful to make insulting generalisations about people without solid evidence, or an attempt to provide even a shred of evidence in this case.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Probably a bad example, but just pointing out that it is ignorant and unhelpful to make insulting generalisations about people without solid evidence, or an attempt to provide even a shred of evidence in this case.

Ignoring 'evidence' for a second, are you suggesting that impulse control has no effect on a person's weight?

 

[Andre]

Probably a bad example, but just pointing out that it is ignorant and unhelpful to make insulting generalisations about people without solid evidence, or an attempt to provide even a shred of evidence in this case.

Are you honestly trying to say that if planted yourself in a fast food joint for a week that most of the regulars wouldn't constitute a higher percentage of obese people then in the general population? Or if you spent the following week at a fruit and veg. shop that the number of obese people shopping there wouldn't constitute a smaller percentage then in the general population?

Seriously anyone here could go down to the local major shopping centre or into the city of whatever state they live in and look at what people eat. Yes you'll see lean people eating crap and obese people eating right, but you'll see more lean people eating healthy and obese people not then vice versa. The evidence is in front of everyone and easily verifiable.

 

[King Elvis]

Afterworld complains a lot.

 

[Grin]

Ignoring 'evidence' for a second, are you suggesting that impulse control has no effect on a person's weight?

My personal opinion, without any evidence, is that impulse control may well be a factor.
Impulse itself is probably a complex phenomenon involving multiple biological as well as psycho-social factors.

Look, I used to have a terrible attitude towards overweight people and I simplified the problem to one of purely a lack of self discipline. I have learned that that sort of simplistic attitude is not helpful. In fact it may be damaging. It's the sort of attitude promoted by programs like the Biggest Loser. I rarely watch it so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like very few people from previous series are followed up in subsequent ones, which they probably would if the weight loss was maintained.

Simplistic explanations are often very attractive but can be misleading or only partially true.
Not that I've necessarily got anything against Occam's razor.

 

[Grin]

Are you honestly trying to say that if planted yourself in a fast food joint for a week that most of the regulars wouldn't constitute a higher percentage of obese people then in the general population? Or if you spent the following week at a fruit and veg. shop that the number of obese people shopping there wouldn't constitute a smaller percentage then in the general population?

Seriously anyone here could go down to the local major shopping centre or into the city of whatever state they live in and look at what people eat. Yes you'll see lean people eating crap and obese people eating right, but you'll see more lean people eating healthy and obese people not then vice versa. The evidence is in front of everyone and easily verifiable.

That people who are obese are likely to consume more is hardly a revelation.