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Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
With respect jod23

I think you are the one who should open their mind a little regarding this person.

He is nothing but a disgusting rock spider

If he had nothing to hide - why didn't he let that boy go roight on ahead and take hime to court ?

NO, instead, he twice increased the amount of dirty money he was prepared to pay the nboy - just to keep the whole sorry, sordid business out of court and out of the papers.

I believe the final amount paid was in the region of 17 million US dollars.

A helluva lot of money and a hell of a lot of desperation on the part of MJ there I think.

I know you are a great fan of his - but please jod23 - look into your heart and ask yourself just what unspeakable, abominable acts of twisted sleaze this 'person' engages in ?

I don't know about you jod23, but anybody who likes having sex with defenceless young boys ought to be spending the rest of their lives rotting away in a prison cell - not feted as a international pop celebrity.

I'll just repeat that so it sinks in - he has sex with young boys - think about it mate - he enjoys ramming his **** up the ass of a kid who is younger than you are - much younger.

how on earth can you listen to his music when you realise what a complete abomination this man is ?

Yet he is a 'celebrity' - :confused: :confused: :confused:

Oh and as for his music ? - I agree with Shinboners, "off the Wall" is a funk classic and easily his best work. His material rapidly went down hill after that, about the same time he lost his mind and went sicko I guess

cheers

With respect also BSA as i think your probably the best poster on BF. BUT how can you just believe everything you read or hear. Do you really think he sleeps in an oxygen tank? Who knows....

I think it shows that you could be a bit of a sheep as you are just following what the media tells you. The plan was an easy plan for the parents, its well documented that MJ loves kids so lets get the media involved and say that our kid was molested.....easy money. Jackson rather than dragging out in court for months and making it one of the biggest stories ala OJ, he simply tried to get rid of it by paying them money. That can be seen two ways...1-he did it and just wanted it to go away or 2-made it go away as quickly as possible as it would have done even more damage had it gone to a lengthy court saga, innocent or guilty he would have been finished.

Now instead of telling me that HE HAS had sex etc etc how about he maybe has had sex with boys or girls because to be brutally honest YOU DONT ACTUALLY KNOW and neither do i. I dont know if i believe it or not but i love his music and until someone gives me undeniable proof then my opinion of the greatest solo artist of all time will remain firm.

Cheers.
 
Originally posted by Jars458


First i twas me who said Girls on Film - Macca wouldn't listen to the golden boys of 80's pop.

Nothing wrong with Duran Duran!!!
I dont mind them at all.

In fact they are Jonathon Davis's (lead singer of Korn) all time favourite band!!!
 
Originally posted by jod23


With respect also BSA as i think your probably the best poster on BF. BUT how can you just believe everything you read or hear. Do you really think he sleeps in an oxygen tank? Who knows....

I think it shows that you could be a bit of a sheep as you are just following what the media tells you. The plan was an easy plan for the parents, its well documented that MJ loves kids so lets get the media involved and say that our kid was molested.....easy money. Jackson rather than dragging out in court for months and making it one of the biggest stories ala OJ, he simply tried to get rid of it by paying them money. That can be seen two ways...1-he did it and just wanted it to go away or 2-made it go away as quickly as possible as it would have done even more damage had it gone to a lengthy court saga, innocent or guilty he would have been finished.

Now instead of telling me that HE HAS had sex etc etc how about he maybe has had sex with boys or girls because to be brutally honest YOU DONT ACTUALLY KNOW and neither do i. I dont know if i believe it or not but i love his music and until someone gives me undeniable proof then my opinion of the greatest solo artist of all time will remain firm.

Cheers.

Admirable sentiments Jod, but let's hope you apply them to the real world too. Haven't you ever seen a person accused of a crime and believed it was true because the media presented it a certain way?
 

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Originally posted by M29

Blur: Parklife (Only becuase it has that geezer out of "Time Gentlemen Please" in it, and only that reason alone.)

great stuff! wouldnt it be great to have that cockney accent

i've downloaded most of blur's videos~

and re Gorillaz videos.. they look great~~

ah, the genius of Damon Albarn...
 
"Girls On Film" mmmmmm... ;)
Makes me wish I owned a big yacht!


Anyone ever see the Nine Inch nails uncensored version of "Happiness In Slavery"?

A lovely tale of sadism/bondage about a guy who straps himself into a mechanical device that proceeds to literally tear his flesh to shreds until he's just a quivering mess of blood and meat. Brutal!:p
 
Praise You Fatboy Slim
I haven't caught many clips but I'm strangely amused by this one :p when they roll up to what looks like a theatre foyer or shopping centre, slap in the tape and preceed to do the "nerd dance" all over those innocent bystanders.
 
Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Admirable sentiments Jod, but let's hope you apply them to the real world too. Haven't you ever seen a person accused of a crime and believed it was true because the media presented it a certain way?

Thanks SLH but i wont say that i never read into what the media has to say because we all do it...but i try not to believe everything the media comes out with..
 
Originally posted by jod23


Yeah your right because music is all about what Shinners likes, not about opinion.

Lighten up Jod.

Anyway, weren't you the one last year who kept on arguing to me, that Billy Corgan isn't a great guitarist . . . . ummm . . . based on "your opinion" as justification that I was wrong??? :confused: :confused:
 
Originally posted by Olmy


Lighten up Jod.

Anyway, weren't you the one last year who kept on arguing to me, that Billy Corgan isn't a great guitarist . . . . ummm . . . based on "your opinion" as justification that I was wrong??? :confused: :confused:

Billy Corgan is a good guitarist but you were arguing he was in Knofflers league...pfft...
 

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Originally posted by Olmy
I can't believe we've all missed TOOL. They have some sensational video clips, lead by the fantastic "Sober".

Yup - not just Sober - but the whole lot of them are magical!!!
Mind you the guitarist (or maybe the drummer) has all these degrees in art and graphic design...he did all the clips for the band.
 
Originally posted by jod23


Billy Corgan is a good guitarist but you were arguing he was in Knofflers league...pfft...

No, I never argued that at all.

All I said was that Corgan was a great guitarist, to which you said he wasn't, and used your own opinion to tell me that I was "wrong".

As far as guitarists go, I don't classify anyone as being in any particular "league". All that type of talk is for people who can't identify with musical individuality, and need others to tell them what is "great" and what isn't.

Besides, who's to say, using that type of thinking that Corgan isn't in Knopfler's league?? You? Pfft! C'mon, you've been playing guitar for 5 minutes, and you think you're some kind of expert? :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Macca19


Yup - not just Sober - but the whole lot of them are magical!!!
Mind you the guitarist (or maybe the drummer) has all these degrees in art and graphic design...he did all the clips for the band.

Yeah, the guitarist is a bit of a maniac I reckon! :D It's fantastic stuff though. (Just not all the time ;) ).
 
A couple of my favourite clips would have to be:

Did It Again - Kylie Minogue...loved the song and really enjoyed the clip because it was just something i found kina amusing, and i attempted to dance along with it.so i liked it :D

Freak - Silverchair....it was rather weird...which explains why i like it!
Theyre the only ones i can think of, I dont really know of any other good clips!!

As for this whole Michael Jackson thing, no-one on here has anymore of an idea of whether he did it or not than I do, so as far as I'm concerned, everyone should just get over it/forget about it.
And as for what he has done with charities and stuff, I can see him being regarded as a great man and a great musician, and until it can be proven otherwise, I'm gonna keep that opinion.
 
Originally posted by Olmy


No, I never argued that at all.

All I said was that Corgan was a great guitarist, to which you said he wasn't, and used your own opinion to tell me that I was "wrong".

As far as guitarists go, I don't classify anyone as being in any particular "league". All that type of talk is for people who can't identify with musical individuality, and need others to tell them what is "great" and what isn't.

Besides, who's to say, using that type of thinking that Corgan isn't in Knopfler's league?? You? Pfft! C'mon, you've been playing guitar for 5 minutes, and you think you're some kind of expert? :rolleyes:

Crap .... you were arguing something along those lines, i dont deny the fact that Corgan is a good guitarist just nothing on some really great guitarists....Ive been playing for 2 years but whether you play or not i dont think it matters, its clear that you can see that Knoffler is probably the greatest guitarist on the planet.
 
I have to say - Mark Knopfler would be the most talented guitarist in the world. The guy is a genius...
 

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Originally posted by Macca19
I have to say - Mark Knopfler would be the most talented guitarist in the world. The guy is a genius...

I dont know much about guitarists and stuff...but i reckon Slash is pretty darn talented...and if u can find someone better than him...id say theyre a genius
 
Originally posted by jod23


Crap .... you were arguing something along those lines, i dont deny the fact that Corgan is a good guitarist just nothing on some really great guitarists....

"Crap"?? Pfft! What's "crap"?? Clearly you can't remember the discussion!!! To use your theory, you're a bit out of your league, mate! I mean, you, trying to tell me, what I'm saying . . . c'mon, that's laugh!

At any rate, IMO, Corgan IS a great guitarist (and many others would think so too), and whether you think he is or not, does not give you the right to tell me I'm "wrong"! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by jod23

Ive been playing for 2 years but whether you play or not i dont think it matters, its clear that you can see that Knoffler is probably the greatest guitarist on the planet.

Who says Knopfler's "greatest" guitarist in the world?? I don't even think there is such a rating, let alone, a method for determining who it is, apart from personal opinion.

It all comes down to personal opinon (not some system whereby there is a clear "better" music, or a more "correct" opinion on it).

I may agree, or disagree with people's opinions, however, unlike you, I'm not going around telling other people they're "wrong" in their opinions about music. If I disagree, I don't think I am in any position to tell someone else that they are "wrong" because of my perceived better judgement. The fact that you seem to think you can do so, is down-right insulting.

There's no point in having a decent discussion with the likes of yourself, as you are clearly unable to appreciate the views of others, and use your own point of view to argue that others are "wrong". :rolleyes:

If you want to argue that I'm "wrong", you'll need more than your own little point of view to convince me.

At any rate, what's the deal with comparing musicians, or guitarists in order to see who's "better" or who's "right" or wrong"?? Why can't you just listen to music, and appreciate it, without making some stupid judgement as to which is "better" and then imposing your ideas on the rest of the world???

Music isn't about a contest. It's about individuality - something you seem unable to appreciate. It's not about being "better". Music is for all to be enjoyed, and across a variety of tastes. People enjoy music for all different reasons. You seem to think that people should evaluate, reason, and enjoy music for all the same reasons that you do, and if they don't, then they're "wrong". That sounds like Art Nazism to me.

People who go around trying to force the impression that their preferences are "better" than others, are clearly missing the point of music entirely.
 
What makes a good guitarist? Is it someone who can play a big lead break, is it someone who can play intricate classical tunes, is it someone who plays rhythm and carries a song or is it some other quality? Depends on what your into really.

Personally, I think the guitarist who plays/writes rhythm is the best guitarist. Any hack can learn to play a lead break, but a true guitar player knows how to write and play original rhythm pieces.
I also think a true genious continues to grow with his instrument........what's Knopfler done in the last 10 years? He wrote some great guitar pieces, but what since? If I've missed some original stuff, I'd like to know about it.

My choice would be.........too difficult!! I'm sure there's some flamenco guitarists that would blow me away that I've never heard of.
 
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
What makes a good guitarist? Is it someone who can play a big lead break, is it someone who can play intricate classical tunes, is it someone who plays rhythm and carries a song or is it some other quality? Depends on what your into really.

Well said.
 
Originally posted by Santos L Helper

I also think a true genious continues to grow with his instrument........what's Knopfler done in the last 10 years? He wrote some great guitar pieces, but what since? If I've missed some original stuff, I'd like to know about it.

Dire Straits last album, and 1 album with a different band (more folky) and a soloish album.
Santos - the guy would be in his late 60s at the moment... i strongly doubt he has anymore growing left with his guitar.
Ive never seen someone play so complicated pieces of music at such ease..he almost looks bored as he plays. Hes been playing music for 30 years...i dont think anyone in the world could teach him something new about a guitar!
 
Originally posted by Olmy


"Crap"?? Pfft! What's "crap"?? Clearly you can't remember the discussion!!! To use your theory, you're a bit out of your league, mate! I mean, you, trying to tell me, what I'm saying . . . c'mon, that's laugh!

At any rate, IMO, Corgan IS a great guitarist (and many others would think so too), and whether you think he is or not, does not give you the right to tell me I'm "wrong"! :rolleyes:



Who says Knopfler's "greatest" guitarist in the world?? I don't even think there is such a rating, let alone, a method for determining who it is, apart from personal opinion.

It all comes down to personal opinon (not some system whereby there is a clear "better" music, or a more "correct" opinion on it).

I may agree, or disagree with people's opinions, however, unlike you, I'm not going around telling other people they're "wrong" in their opinions about music. If I disagree, I don't think I am in any position to tell someone else that they are "wrong" because of my perceived better judgement. The fact that you seem to think you can do so, is down-right insulting.

There's no point in having a decent discussion with the likes of yourself, as you are clearly unable to appreciate the views of others, and use your own point of view to argue that others are "wrong". :rolleyes:

If you want to argue that I'm "wrong", you'll need more than your own little point of view to convince me.

At any rate, what's the deal with comparing musicians, or guitarists in order to see who's "better" or who's "right" or wrong"?? Why can't you just listen to music, and appreciate it, without making some stupid judgement as to which is "better" and then imposing your ideas on the rest of the world???

Music isn't about a contest. It's about individuality - something you seem unable to appreciate. It's not about being "better". Music is for all to be enjoyed, and across a variety of tastes. People enjoy music for all different reasons. You seem to think that people should evaluate, reason, and enjoy music for all the same reasons that you do, and if they don't, then they're "wrong". That sounds like Art Nazism to me.

People who go around trying to force the impression that their preferences are "better" than others, are clearly missing the point of music entirely.

LMAO ..... its as if you just think that i said something else. MY OPINION IS THAT KNOFFLER IS THE GREATEST GUITARIST ON THE PLANET AND CORGAN IS JUST A GOOD GUITARIST.

I didnt force my opinions on you so whatever dribble your talking about please stop, its irritating.
 

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