Finals week 3 prelims

[Hairy Lager]

Imagine if you had this team at the start of the finals with no trades
Backs: Simpson Bartell Hibberd
Lumbumba Suckling Bews
Mids: Pendlebury Beams Ward Fyfe Swan
JPK Murphy SJ Barlow Heppell
Rucks: NicNat Minson
Fwds: Harvey D.Martin Pavlich Kersten
Roughead Bird LeCras
WTF????....anyone else I have missed?

Edit: Minson added thanks toxic
Added Swan thanks rocker_oz33, also added Bird. SC Final Spuds of 2014. Anyone else I missed?

 

[JasRulz63]

Correct, and accumulators are not elite players, their work is the product of what others do.

But he is top 10 in contested ball and clearances. So he's accumulating on the outside while also winning his own ball. How does getting his own contested ball the product of what others do?

You'd rather a player that gets 24 disposals (14 contested, 10 uncontested) than a player that gets 34 disposals (14 contested, 20 uncontested)? So the extra 10 uncontested posessions are considered ineffective because they're uncontested? So for him to become a better player, he needs to lay off the uncontested ball so that his contested % is higher?

 

[TheOz]

It's just the role he plays for the Lions. He's very much capable of going forward and kicking goals. You can't ignore the fact that he works hard when transitioning from down back to midfield (vice-versa). Equally as hard as Pendles that does the exact same up forward.

And imo he was more effective as a forward gathering half as many possessions and kicking a goal or two a game. Look, i'm not saying he is crap (and I hope he scores huge as he is my captain), he is a very, very good player and anyone that can work into space to command the ball and to be able to run to the right places to receive the ball has a decent footy brain and a huge tank, I just think possession count can be misleading.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Edit: Minson added thanks toxic

Swanny.

 

[TheOz]

But he is top 10 in contested ball and clearances. So he's accumulating on the outside while also winning his own ball. How does getting his own contested ball the product of what others do?

You'd rather a player that gets 24 disposals (14 contested, 10 uncontested) than a player that gets 34 disposals (14 contested, 20 uncontested)? So the extra 10 uncontested posessions are considered ineffective because they're uncontested? So for him to become a better player, he needs to lay off the uncontested ball so that his contested % is higher?

Absolutely, 10 extra possessions given his clanger count percentage per possession means more uncontested turnovers which could mean the difference between a win and a loss.

I'll state it again, there is a reason why Ross Lyon isn't putting the number one tagger in the league on him and letting him pick up 25 possessions in a half.

 

[bato]

And imo he was more effective as a forward gathering half as many possessions and kicking a goal or two a game. Look, i'm not saying he is crap (and I hope he scores huge as he is my captain), he is a very, very good player and anyone that can work into space to command the ball and to be able to run to the right places to receive the ball has a decent footy brain and a huge tank, I just think possession count can be misleading.

That'll happen once he gets assigned a new role. We have too many guys swinging midfield/forward right now. Might change next year...

 

[bato]

Absolutely, 10 extra possessions given his clanger count percentage per possession means more uncontested turnovers which could mean the difference between a win and a loss.

I'll state it again, there is a reason why Ross Lyon isn't putting the number one tagger in the league on him and letting him pick up 25 possessions in a half.

Crowley was on him for the whole second quarter. . .

 

[bjklampard8]

BRISBANE

38 Tom Rockliff 116
8 Rohan Bewick 99
12 Stefan Martin 93
15 Dayne Zorko 87
2 Ryan Harwood 83
28 Lewis Taylor 67
4 James Aish 66
5 Jack Crisp 59
24 Joel Patfull 51
11 Pearce Hanley 49
27 Darcy Gardiner 47
42 Justin Clarke 41
25 Daniel McStay 40
7 Jed Adcock 40
6 Josh Green 36
21 Daniel Merrett 24
34 Jonathan Freeman 23
9 Ashley McGrath 22
17 Claye Beams 17
36 Matt Maguire 16
32 Sam Mayes 13
33 Michael Close 2

FREMANTLE

16 David Mundy 89
1 Hayden Ballantyne 88
20 Matt Taberner 88
32 Stephen Hill 85
10 Michael Walters 84
13 Tendai Mzungu 76
27 Lachie Neale 75
23 Chris Mayne 74
8 Nick Suban 74
30 Zac Clarke 67
33 Cameron Sutcliffe 66
6 Danyle Pearce 66
9 Matt de Boer 65
17 Hayden Crozier 63
31 Aaron Sandilands 60
34 Lee Spurr 54
37 Michael Johnson 41
41 Paul Duffield 40
15 Ryan Crowley 36
36 Alex Silvagni 32
3 Zac Dawson 28
5 Garrick Ibbotson 13

 

[NSWCROW]

If you have that team with no trades left then you have seriously stuffed up somewhere along the way

either that or your name is NSWCROW

 

[rocker_oz33]

Reid out towers in Laidler the sub.
gia the other sub.

 

[Mad Sainter]

Absolutely, 10 extra possessions given his clanger count percentage per possession means more uncontested turnovers which could mean the difference between a win and a loss.

I'll state it again, there is a reason why Ross Lyon isn't putting the number one tagger in the league on him and letting him pick up 25 possessions in a half.

For starters, Crowley played on Rockliff for the largest portion of the game so far.
Second, Crowley is not even close to being the best tagger in the game, he falls short on % restriction, actual restriction, effect on disposal efficiency, reduction in scores and score assists along with every other statistic you can judge a tagger by, Picken is the best tagger.
Third, have you noticed how many teams don't tag Ablett? Or that tag Swan instead of Pendlebury? It's because the tagger would have more effect on the game and more effectively shut down another player.
Fourth, regardless of disposal efficiency unless it is less than 50%, a player getting more possessions is always more beneficial for the team than if they weren't to get said possessions, for a couple of reasons, one, any possession that moves the ball forward opens opportunities and gets the ball closer to the goal (usually); and two, any time your player has the ball, the opposition doesn't.
Finally, Rockliff compares in most statistics equally to Ablett and Pendlebury, he outscores them both, averages slightly more possessions, sits slightly below for overall disposal efficiency, higher for uncontested, equal for contested, higher in distance gained; the list goes on.
I'm sorry but you are grossly incorrect, Rockliff is undeniably one of the best players in the competition.

tl;dr every argument you made is wrong, Rockliff is most certainly an elite player and one of the 3 best players alongside Ablett and Pendlebury

 

[bjklampard8]

BRISBANE

38 Tom Rockliff 168
15 Dayne Zorko 120
12 Stefan Martin 119
8 Rohan Bewick 115
2 Ryan Harwood 105
4 James Aish 89
28 Lewis Taylor 82
11 Pearce Hanley 76
5 Jack Crisp 73
7 Jed Adcock 68
24 Joel Patfull 67
27 Darcy Gardiner 61
6 Josh Green 49
42 Justin Clarke 47
25 Daniel McStay 46
17 Claye Beams 42
9 Ashley McGrath 39
21 Daniel Merrett 36
32 Sam Mayes 33
36 Matt Maguire 30
34 Jonathan Freeman 25
33 Michael Close 3

FREMANTLE

32 Stephen Hill 118
16 David Mundy 109
10 Michael Walters 107
23 Chris Mayne 105
1 Hayden Ballantyne 104
20 Matt Taberner 102
13 Tendai Mzungu 102
27 Lachie Neale 96
9 Matt de Boer 95
6 Danyle Pearce 91
8 Nick Suban 90
17 Hayden Crozier 85
31 Aaron Sandilands 84
30 Zac Clarke 80
33 Cameron Sutcliffe 77
37 Michael Johnson 60
41 Paul Duffield 60
34 Lee Spurr 56
36 Alex Silvagni 53
15 Ryan Crowley 48
3 Zac Dawson 32
5 Garrick Ibbotson 26

 

[Baird]

Yes! Towers is in and not the sub.

 

[Benson FC]

Rockliff you bloody legend
Had him C all week, about 12 changed it to Cotchin, then changed it back 10 mins before the game

 

[Baird]

Parker already with 5 tackles and 5 clearances

 

[SnappyHappy]

every argument you made is wrong, Rockliff is most certainly an elite player and one of the 3 best players alongside Ablett and Pendlebury

Ah no he is not top 3, I'd rate Selwood, SJ, Fyfe, Barlow, Watson, Dangerfield, Heppell, Kennedy all ahead of him, just to name a few.

 

[Donakebab]

Captain Rocky and Zorko vs Hanley have really put me back in what looked like certain defeat. Pity opponent has Taylor as cover for Dusty, but not out of it anymore. Comin for ya hargy !

 

[Donakebab]

W/Bulldogs

11 Jack Macrae 41
23 Jordan Roughead 40
5 Matthew Boyd 28
16 Ryan Griffen 26
24 Nathan Hrovat 24
17 Adam Cooney 22
21 Tom Liberatore 22
38 Dale Morris 21
6 Luke Dahlhaus 19
45 Tom Campbell 19
25 Koby Stevens 18
42 Liam Picken 18
2 Robert Murphy 15
49 Ayce Cordy 9
9 Jake Stringer 9
39 Jason Johannisen 8
46 Lin Jong 7
47 Mark Austin 6
7 Shaun Higgins 6
4 Marcus Bontempelli 1
13 Daniel Giansiracusa 0
8 Stewart Crameri 0

Sydney

26 Luke Parker 42
8 Kurt Tippett 36
37 Adam Goodes 34
4 Dan Hannebery 30
3 Jarrad McVeigh 30
23 Lance Franklin 29
15 Kieren Jack 28
9 Nick Malceski 27
38 Mike Pyke 25
7 Harry Cunningham 24
32 Lewis Jetta 24
44 Jake Lloyd 21
24 Dane Rampe 20
39 Heath Grundy 19
40 Nick Smith 11
46 Shane Biggs 11
25 Ted Richards 11
6 Tom Mitchell 11
16 Gary Rohan 9
22 Dean Towers 5
2 Rhyce Shaw 2
11 Jeremy Laidler 0

 

[Benson FC]

307 + Shenton
V
Libba, Dahlhaus, Houli, Lennon
Who gets it?

 

[Daniels]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Cue losing to spud sides that run like God in finals and not have players like Fyfe, JPK, Martin etc.

 

[Plugger35]

One of my opponents has Rockliff captain, he's pretty much negated my captain Gray's 174 points.

Happy with Martin and Zorko's scores, Hanley, Gardiner and Sandilands not so much.

Still line ball in both prelims with Bontempelli, Higgins, McVeigh, Riewoldt and Shenton left.

Is Bontempelli injured? If he's out it will kill my chances.

 

[DT_35]

Rockliff C and Martin have saved my a**

 

[Satan]

+ 424 plus dahlhaus

vs buddy, rohan,higgins, libber , Shenton ( depends if opponent is aware of him needing to be on field)

 

[Cleavy]

Bird is not playing mate

thanks. I'm next to no chance now.

 

[Mad Sainter]

Ah no he is not top 3, I'd rate Selwood, SJ, Fyfe, Barlow, Watson, Dangerfield, Heppell, Kennedy all ahead of him, just to name a few.

No. Selwood is a good clearance player yes, but Rockliff is mroe damaging around teh ground, SJ gets suspended every second week and has more cold patches than an eskimo in Antarctica, Fyfe has even worse disposal efficiency than Rockliff, Barlow is a Rockliff knock-off, Watson (besides being a cheat) is slow and only has one asset which is that he can give 100% week in week out, Dangerfield is explosive but based on his performance this season isn't even in the same class as Rockliff, Heppell... wtf were you thinking here? Heppell isn't even in the top 20 players in the competition and I can name 20 better in a heart beat if you like..., Kennedy is very damaging around a contest but again doesn't rack up the same numbers or the same amount of goals as Rockliff.

Beyond that Rockliff is 23, he still isn't in his prime and at one of the worst clubs in the afl, if someone can even compare against these calibre players in a bottom 6 club they are elite.