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lmfaooooo@worrying about losing Fiora. Some of you lot need to pull yourselves together.
Fiora was a dud not only becuase he was thin but because he had no footy brain. He can put on 20 kilos but you'll still see him stuff up under pressure when the heat is on.
Fiora was a dud not only becuase he was thin but because he had no footy brain. He can put on 20 kilos but you'll still see him stuff up under pressure when the heat is on.
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IDGAF said:
LOL Thats a great call coming from a RICHMOND supporter. We are the BIGGEST culprit's EVER of pumping ourselves up in Feb. Just read all the posts since last September! Then again, if the club doesn't we don't buy memberships.
Good luck to you Milney - I was disappointed to see Fiora leave. FOX FOOTY have been replaying all the games from the past few years over summer, and it gave me a chance to watch alot of replays of FIORA in his first season. In his first season, he actually showed alot of potential, and alot more endeavour than i remember him having. The problem is, I believe, as is the problem with OTTENS, PETTIFER and every other player we picked up inthe first round - We think that THEY will become champions due to the fact THEY ARE afirst round pick.we don't develop players (CORRECT THAT - "DIDN'T"). Then we blame them for it. Thats why we used to BUY good players who are already developed. Football is like any other job, if you don't constantly train your staff, they become comfortable and stagnant. Your club will get the best of him, especially with some many other similar aged, and TALENTED players. Don't get me wrong - I fricking HATE ST. KILDA. But i can respect how they managed to change their culture and become a much better team for it. FIORA is still a 3rd selection choice, in a draft that was very talented. confidence and guidance is all he needs.
I have met him before at the OAK and he was a nice guy, friendly and not at all arrogant like many young early drafts picks are. Shame he used to have to cop so much damned ABUSE by FAT middle aged men. / "SUPPORTERS"
madtiger2005
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he did mistakes but he also did some pretty good things. Most tiger fans only remember that bad things lol
astro_toby said:
So its all the club's fault for these guys turning out to be duds? What bollocks!
What Fiora couldn't put on weight at Richmond? It's easy, do the weights, eat the right food. The problem was that Fiora was a lazy softcok who's favourite past time included sleeping 15 hours a day. (Fiora's real problem though was no footy smarts, and no one can help him there.)
Ottens was another pea heart who refused to do what was needed to lift his game. He had all the support in the world behind him and was getting paid mega bucks to produce half hearted performances week in week out.
Petiffer will follow suit.
Don't tell me you think Zantuck will be a gun now as well?
True footballers take responsibility for their own performances and don't look to outside sources for excuses. As soon as Fiora, Ottens, Zantuck hit crisis points at their new clubs they will revert to their inept weak willed natures and play like the butter soft fux that they are.
GOOD RIDDANCE!
lmfaoooooo@ St.Kilda turning thier culture around. It's called AFL welfare, getting the best talent in the land for being shyzen for years on end. We'll get the same welfare now and jsut watch us turn the culture around!
1. I ain't fat.
2. I'm not middle aged.
3. I bagged the crap out of him
4. And rightfully so!
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fiora, ottens and zantuck are all talented, but they weren't pushed hard enough or lead in the right direction at Richmond, because we have been a poorly run club for the last 20 years.
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thats a harsh comment on yourselvesmadtiger2005 said:
madtiger2005
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harsh but correct lol
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JohnF said:
If you bag them when you are at a game and they don't put in - fair enough. But to go to the trouble of bagging them in your spare time - Get a life - especially you embarrassing d*cks who ring SEN - put a child proof lock on your phone or something
2ndly - in any other business - when you have such a large majority of your staff under performing - its the managements lack or motivating, incentitves and general poor management - Blaming young 20 y.o's for 20 years or failure and inept performance is so pathetic. They cant even manage funds for christ sakes
Im currently watch a replay or richmond carlton in 95 at the moment on FOX, and they just stated that we only had one player (G.DEAR) who had played over 150 games. players such a Campbell, Daffy, Tape, Kellaway, Bulluss, Jurica, Naish, Bourke, Turner, Bond, Rogers, Prescott, Edwards, Bower and a host of others who have been and gone since 95 - NEVER got any better than they were then - That means that they played there best football somewhere inbetween games 1-mid100's - Which obviously means that their skills and development ceased. Most top players continue to improve and peak beyond that point. That is management. ITS NAIVE TO BELIEVE ITS BAD LUCK AND ALL THOSE PLAYERS FAULT.
the only players since that era - which should have been the beginning of our ERA - i.e where st.kilda is right now - To become legends or marque players for the club were
1.Richo
2.Knights
3.Broderick
4.B.Gale
5.Campbell (based on consistency more than skill)
The only other player of that era that could make a list like that was Maxfield, and he left. That may have more to do with him becoming a better player / and a leader - captain - where in his old teammates fell away and became "coulda beens". Other clubs have far surpassed that measly list. Some might even argue that players like Gale and Campbell wouldnt make that list at stronger clubs.
We have been the worst club in the past 20 years for a good reason. We have been run and managed the worst. We have one of the largest resources (supporters) readily available of any melbourne club, yet we can't make a profit. how mant times did we pass a profit in 20years - once you subtract the SAVE OUR SKINS donations and the JACK DYER FOUNDATION donations? Very rarely. We have played the least finals of all clubs, worst win loss, pretty much worst everything.
In terms of Stkilda changing their culture and you claiming its a WELFARE - Well that is the same system that we think is "OUR NEW DAWNIG OF A GOLDEN ERA!!!" only difference is, Stkilda did it 5 years ago, while we only started to do it now - because A)we didnt think of it first, & B)We looked short term rather than long term. They culled their list extensively 5 years ago and rebuilt while we thought getting the likes of Houlihan, Hudson, Stafford, Rombotis, Fletcher, Hilton, Morrison, Weller, Blumfield, and others that were our "quick fix".
We also kept ben holland when we got offered a deal which involved Kane Johnson after 2001. Then traded away Torney and A.Wells for K.Johnson.
We could have had both Johnson and wells at a loss of just B.Holland, and kept Torney as well.
WE HAVE BEEN WORSE THAN ST.KILDA IN THE PAST 20 YEARS!!! SO WHY ARENT WE IN THE SAME POSTION AS THEM RIGHT NOW??? THEY PLAYED IN A GRAND FINAL!!! THEY PLAYED IN SEVERAL FINALS SERIES. WE HAVE PLAYED IN 2!!!
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JohnF said:
Otten HAD heart - He lost motivation (sign of poor management and morale)
Zantuck had heart - But lost disciplne(sign of poor management and morale)
Fiora has potential - But lost motivation and direction (sign of poor management)
management is put in place to monitor and control and MANAGE these apsects of teamwork and morale to increase the likely hood of success.
We have had no success
astro_toby said:
Our biggest failure over the last 20 years has been in poor recruiting strategies and selecting a plethora of duds. But we have also picked a lot of talented blokes who once you stripped away the veneer revealed pea hearts. Guys like Ottens, Pettifer and to a lesser extent Fiora fall into this category. Arguably the club should have seen through the veneer of these blokes and not selected them. But I refuse to believe it's been a crippling culture whilst at the club that has proven their downfall. I think they just revealed their true colours over time.
Look at a player like Coughlan. How come he has won a B&F and come third in a B&F with our debilitating culture? Answer: the guy is mentally strong.
Wrong, that's nearly everyone of those players you listed being $hit. Most good players continue to improve past that point that's true, the key being they have to be GOOD PLAYERS to do that. Crap players don't even have a peak, they are there for a few years and then they are gone.
Bond - Traded and got worse when he left
Kellaway - Worst skilled bloke in over 100 years of football but got the most out of himself.
Daffy - Showy player who had a couple of good years and then the game passed him by when injuries struck him down.
Rogers - Was never anything more than a contributor and did well to get as much out of himself as he did.
Naish - Ditto
Bulluss - LMFAO
Prescott - LMFAOO
Jurica - ROFLMAOOO
Edwards - ROFLFMAOOOO
Bower - ROFLFMLAOOOOOOOOO
Bourke - In farrrken tears
Are you suggesting these blokes could have gone to a better environment and become something? You're kidding me right?
Again, I think it was poor recruiting that got us these players who were very ordinary.
So a guy that has averaged 24 touches a game over a 13 year period wouldn't be one of the best players at a stronger club? Campbell would have walked into any club during the last 10 years and would be one of the best performed players there. Without question. He was forced to alter his game to be an inside midfielder which he was never suited to and was the first player to be tagged in the midfield for the last ten years. Playing on a wing at a better club he would have starred.
Gale is only a slightly above average player and shouldn't be mentioned with the others on that list.
Maxfield was a dud for ten years of his career and has bloomed in the last 5. We were right to get rid of him.
Poor recruiting has killed us and the mentality of short term fixes has killed us. This doesn't excuse players like Pettifer and Ottens though who have talent but no heart. Maybe you can argue that the club should have been able to see that they had no heart and should not have chosen them. Well, maybe that's right.
I don't think it's been the club's culture which has stalled them though. They were weak characters to begin with.
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RE: JOHN F 00:42
My point from the '95 players mentioned was that not a single ONE of those players managed to surpass the potential / standard they showed during those early years. to make a variety of excuses, and glorified judgements on these players is poor and biased. That many players dont all become stagnant for seperate reasons. They were a team. The team stagnated due to poor coaching and training. The coaching and training team were employed by the management to do a job and failed miserably. the management failed to react on that is any sort of decent amount of time meaning POOR MANAGEMENT! Bad recruiting = BAD MANAGEMENT
Campbell is and never will be seen as a champion at another club. he is richmonds only player of the past decade - taking away knights(godbless) to be seen in such a light at our club. Greg Williams was a champion. Robert Harvey was a champion. Hird is a champion. Chris Grant is a champion. Wayne Campbell would have struggled to get a run in the midfield in Carltons 95 team or brisbanes 3peat side. This to me is prefect proof that Campbells ability and performance has been much glorified due our lower expectations and standards. Other teams dont care two poops about wayne campbell when they play against richmond! It's a joke that he is held in such a high regard, and the only reason we do, is because its the only thing we got that lasted the distance.
Gale, was a leader, and was consistent for a long period of time and thats why he is remembered fondly. He lasted the distance. but yes, he was no superstar. Again, underlining the lower expectaions and standards of richmond.
Players like Kellaway and rogers should never have lasted so long, the only reason they did was because of a lack of quality options to replace them, and fear of the board to admit defeat and go with a complete youth policy as clubs like stkilda and geelong did 5 years ago. Good leaders dont get scared.
Its just plain ridiculous for the supporters to expect so much from the players, when they coaching and management around them, which has groomed these players from such an early age - has been so medicore and weak. medicority breeds medicority. You forget that these guys are 17 when they get to a club. their entire adult lives are spent being guided by the coaches and staff - hence why so much of the players lack of performance should be blamed on the coachs and staff. Its like family - sometimes you just get a bad egg who is nothing but trouble - but when you have a family of 6 and all the kids are nothing but trouble - you look at the parents for an answer.
Brad ottens had ticker in 2001, you all loved him then. but he lost his drive, along with SEVERAL if not a majority of the other players - and the coaches installed by the CLUBS MANAGEMENT did not react well enough to fix it before it became a problem. they always threw money(which the didnt have) at the problems and expected that to fix it.
My point from the '95 players mentioned was that not a single ONE of those players managed to surpass the potential / standard they showed during those early years. to make a variety of excuses, and glorified judgements on these players is poor and biased. That many players dont all become stagnant for seperate reasons. They were a team. The team stagnated due to poor coaching and training. The coaching and training team were employed by the management to do a job and failed miserably. the management failed to react on that is any sort of decent amount of time meaning POOR MANAGEMENT! Bad recruiting = BAD MANAGEMENT
Campbell is and never will be seen as a champion at another club. he is richmonds only player of the past decade - taking away knights(godbless) to be seen in such a light at our club. Greg Williams was a champion. Robert Harvey was a champion. Hird is a champion. Chris Grant is a champion. Wayne Campbell would have struggled to get a run in the midfield in Carltons 95 team or brisbanes 3peat side. This to me is prefect proof that Campbells ability and performance has been much glorified due our lower expectations and standards. Other teams dont care two poops about wayne campbell when they play against richmond! It's a joke that he is held in such a high regard, and the only reason we do, is because its the only thing we got that lasted the distance.
Gale, was a leader, and was consistent for a long period of time and thats why he is remembered fondly. He lasted the distance. but yes, he was no superstar. Again, underlining the lower expectaions and standards of richmond.
Players like Kellaway and rogers should never have lasted so long, the only reason they did was because of a lack of quality options to replace them, and fear of the board to admit defeat and go with a complete youth policy as clubs like stkilda and geelong did 5 years ago. Good leaders dont get scared.
Its just plain ridiculous for the supporters to expect so much from the players, when they coaching and management around them, which has groomed these players from such an early age - has been so medicore and weak. medicority breeds medicority. You forget that these guys are 17 when they get to a club. their entire adult lives are spent being guided by the coaches and staff - hence why so much of the players lack of performance should be blamed on the coachs and staff. Its like family - sometimes you just get a bad egg who is nothing but trouble - but when you have a family of 6 and all the kids are nothing but trouble - you look at the parents for an answer.
Brad ottens had ticker in 2001, you all loved him then. but he lost his drive, along with SEVERAL if not a majority of the other players - and the coaches installed by the CLUBS MANAGEMENT did not react well enough to fix it before it became a problem. they always threw money(which the didnt have) at the problems and expected that to fix it.
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oh and JOHN F, one other thing...
Calling Maxfield a dud and saying getting rid of him over those other players is just plain stupidity. He is a far better player than Daffy, Kellaway, Rogers, Tivendale, Bond and pretty much 98.5% of all the other players that have been and gone over that period in the yellow and black. He has became a widely repected captain of a successful team, he is a better leader than campbell will ever be,& was - and obviously had much more ticker and physical & mental strength than all those other players of that era that have since retired or been delisted. Good leaders are as rare as premireships, and your analyise on him is just plain tough and unfair.
Calling Maxfield a dud and saying getting rid of him over those other players is just plain stupidity. He is a far better player than Daffy, Kellaway, Rogers, Tivendale, Bond and pretty much 98.5% of all the other players that have been and gone over that period in the yellow and black. He has became a widely repected captain of a successful team, he is a better leader than campbell will ever be,& was - and obviously had much more ticker and physical & mental strength than all those other players of that era that have since retired or been delisted. Good leaders are as rare as premireships, and your analyise on him is just plain tough and unfair.
astro_toby said:
I disagree that they stagnated due to bad coaching and training. They stagnated because they weren't much chop to begin with and got as good as they were going to get.
Once again I ask you, do you think that these players would have done something had they gone to a better trained, better coached, better managed team? You are aware of course that half the players you listed did actually make a switch and ended up being bigger duds than ever right?
We haven't had a champion in the last 20 years but Campbell is as close as we came to having one. You say godbless that we had Knights. Why? Knights didn't achieve a half of what Campbell achieved and yet he is idolatrised. Knights had more talent than Campbell, but he didn't do more with it than what Campbell did with his.
If Campbell had some more support around him i'm sure a lot more people would have been acknowledging him for the excellent player that he was. But alas he was surrounded by duds his whole career and takes a caning because he was forced to pretty much carry a midfield for 10 years and thus been found wanting.
Campbell wouldn't make it into Brisbane's threepeat midfield? Rubbish. Campbell is the equal to any player in that midfield bar Voss and Black (and maybe Aker though he is unpredictable and inconsistent).
He wouldn't make it inot Carlton's 95 midfield? What but Matthew Hogg, Scott Camporeale, Fraser Brown would? To me he is the equal to a player like Brett Ratten or Craig Bradley and maybe shaded by Koutafides (but he's only ever had a couple good years, but they were real good ones).
Other teams don't give a crap about Campbell? Maybe now they don't that he is washed up, but if you care to take a look between the years 95-03 you will see that he is the one playing on the best tagger in the opposing team every week. We overrate him? He is one of the most hated players in Richmond's history, despite winning two All Australian guernseys being favourite for the Brownlow in 95 and finishing 7 times in the top two of the Richmond best and Fairest.
If we had someone better than him he'd probably be appreciated more because he wouldn't be the one scapegoated for all our failures over the last 10 years.
Gale was consistent for a good 4 years in his career. The first 6 or 7 he was next to hopeless. In his consistent years he still couldn't ruck to save his life and his only saving grace was that he could mark. He could not hold Wayne Campbell's jock strap as a player and to compare them and to even have Gale considered a better player is an absolute joke.
Agree.
Players don't stay 17 for ever. After a few years they have to get serious and become responsible for their own performances. As bad as our player management might have been i still think a lot of the players we've had have been weak willed individuals who are just looking for excuses for why they don't turn out to be good players. They need look no further than the mirror if they want to pin the blame on someone.
No spine on him. Willing to play well when things are going great, went to water as soon as things got shakey. if they didn't offer him a big contract the big doofus would have walked. As you saw, as soon as they stopped breat feeding him he had a sook and farrked off.
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astro_toby said:
Give Campbell the team Maxfield had around him and he would have been just as good a captain. What did Maxfield do at Richmond? What did he do for the first 5 years he was with the Swans? He was every bit as average as a Greg Tivendale.
Respect to him though, he has become a solid performed in the last 3 or 4 years. all the same i would have pizzed him off and would not wait 10 years for 4 solid ones.
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Knights had class. Campbell got the ball and tumbled it forward. Knights used to hit targets, campbell doesnt do that. i'd prefer a player getting it 23 times and running and baulking past an opponent, then creating something, than a guy who gets it 30 times and regulary misses targets. thats why campbell polled like crap in that brownlow. and i would hardly say that the team around maxfield now is a team of superstars. take out hall and goodes, and they are a team of good honest go-ers. a midfield consisting of 2 taggers is hardly ideal a team of champions.
In terms of him being able to get time in the Brissy midfield - only if either Lappin, aker, Voss, Black got injurered or wanted to a rest. Campbell simpy does not have the finishing skills to match it with any of those guys. That is what i believe makes the campbell a champion tag a little bit smelly. I give the guy credit for sure, he works hard and gives his all, and he has been a standout in an era drenched in mediocrity - but he just lacks those silky skills that made those fellas and williams, Harvey, Jarman a champion. Lets not call a player a champion just because he was the closest thing we had. It's not necessary to HAVE to have a champion.
with gale - agree to disagree i guess. but like i said good leaders are as rare as premireships.
in terms of those players who have left, and gone to other clubs - the majority of those boys had been here a hell of a long time, and bad habits are had to give up, especially when they are installed into them from an early stage in their professional career. they always lack the required fitness and finese. even TW has said he has been disappointed with the skills and fitness of the boys. maxfield has excelled. maybe it just took a while for them to wash the richmond out of his hair.
The Coughlan thing is only one example of a player and hardly proves the theory. i even think its a little sick that he won the B & F so quickly and easily. It's also a worry that we made him the poster boy after one and a half seasons of good football. because thats all he has played. again we are building up pressure on players.NOTE: i am a coughlan fan, and don't want that to read as if im saying he isn't that good. i know he is good, just did we need to have him on billboards all over melbourne after that one stellar season?! what about richo or suga or one of the other mature/marque players?
We have high expectations and low respect for our players. This is what makes us hypocritical. i mean, we talk about how good we are gonna be in one posts - then the next is a list of players who we think will fail and get cut! what the Fffff!!
Like i said A club which employs poor coachs and poor scouts and recruiters IS a poorly run club. So the club can only blame itself.
I think the club is on the right track at the moment. but i worry that the supporters are talking it all up way too early and putting the whole "RICHMOND CURSE - END OF AN ERA" crap pressure on these kids. I can see why the supporters are getting excited, but the way we are going on is so typical Richmond behaviour. Proof is in the pudding, and it aint no way near baked yet - so lets just wait and see and enjoy watching it happen. lets not go on about how good we are gonna be, and add all this pressure on these guys. Pressure is a tough thing for a big group of teenagers. and lets not pump up their ego's too early and make them think they are already there.
We once got excited about fiora and pettifer and all those likes, the ppl you guys are always now putting down. so lets not pump these kids up in the same way ,and expect so much from them so early.
If we want this to happen then we gotta just quite'n up, sit back, and watch for a while. we all want the same thing here, a successful richmond
In terms of him being able to get time in the Brissy midfield - only if either Lappin, aker, Voss, Black got injurered or wanted to a rest. Campbell simpy does not have the finishing skills to match it with any of those guys. That is what i believe makes the campbell a champion tag a little bit smelly. I give the guy credit for sure, he works hard and gives his all, and he has been a standout in an era drenched in mediocrity - but he just lacks those silky skills that made those fellas and williams, Harvey, Jarman a champion. Lets not call a player a champion just because he was the closest thing we had. It's not necessary to HAVE to have a champion.
with gale - agree to disagree i guess. but like i said good leaders are as rare as premireships.
in terms of those players who have left, and gone to other clubs - the majority of those boys had been here a hell of a long time, and bad habits are had to give up, especially when they are installed into them from an early stage in their professional career. they always lack the required fitness and finese. even TW has said he has been disappointed with the skills and fitness of the boys. maxfield has excelled. maybe it just took a while for them to wash the richmond out of his hair.
The Coughlan thing is only one example of a player and hardly proves the theory. i even think its a little sick that he won the B & F so quickly and easily. It's also a worry that we made him the poster boy after one and a half seasons of good football. because thats all he has played. again we are building up pressure on players.NOTE: i am a coughlan fan, and don't want that to read as if im saying he isn't that good. i know he is good, just did we need to have him on billboards all over melbourne after that one stellar season?! what about richo or suga or one of the other mature/marque players?
We have high expectations and low respect for our players. This is what makes us hypocritical. i mean, we talk about how good we are gonna be in one posts - then the next is a list of players who we think will fail and get cut! what the Fffff!!
Like i said A club which employs poor coachs and poor scouts and recruiters IS a poorly run club. So the club can only blame itself.
I think the club is on the right track at the moment. but i worry that the supporters are talking it all up way too early and putting the whole "RICHMOND CURSE - END OF AN ERA" crap pressure on these kids. I can see why the supporters are getting excited, but the way we are going on is so typical Richmond behaviour. Proof is in the pudding, and it aint no way near baked yet - so lets just wait and see and enjoy watching it happen. lets not go on about how good we are gonna be, and add all this pressure on these guys. Pressure is a tough thing for a big group of teenagers. and lets not pump up their ego's too early and make them think they are already there.
We once got excited about fiora and pettifer and all those likes, the ppl you guys are always now putting down. so lets not pump these kids up in the same way ,and expect so much from them so early.
If we want this to happen then we gotta just quite'n up, sit back, and watch for a while. we all want the same thing here, a successful richmond
astro_toby said:
Knights also went missing on many occasions, that's why he doesn't have 4 B&F's and 3 runner ups in the B&F.
Knights did well at the Brownlow that's true, but players with aesthetically pleasing styles of play always poll well. How was he percieved by some real experts? How many All Australian guernseys did he get?
Campbell misses targets? You expect precision passes out of congested packs? Get real. Of course he is going to tumble it forward in such situations. You move the ball forward by any means necessary. When he is in the clear how many targets does he miss? He has one of the lowest clanger counts amongst all the star players. He is very accurate with his disposal.
Knights was flashier than Campbell, but Campbell had more substance.
We would kill for a team of good honest go-ers. We have a team of good for nothing flakers.
I think Campbell was as good as Lappin and would probably have gotten a game with Black and Voss in the centre square. On a wing he would get a go without question. (Remeber Matthews called him the best midfielder in the league at one point? Quite a bad call there on his part, but in his time he was good).
I acknowledge he isn't on guys like Williams', Harvey's level and I agree he isn't a champion. But I don't think a player like Lappin is either. He benefits a lot from the inside work of Voss, Black, Hart etc. I can easily imagine the bagging Lappin would have copped if he had to play in our midfield for ten years instead of Campbell.
JohnF,
You claim that it is paramount to bad luck that all of these young men come into a club and dont live up to expectations. And therefore seem to think that there was nothing that the club could have done about it.
I dont know how much you know about the coaching theories at StKilda but they spend a lot of time teaching the players about mental toughness. Then they take them on overseas traing camps where they are also taught about mental toughness by world champion athletes, boxers and so on.
This is about management, Mental toughness, heart whatever can be instilled in people though putting an evironment in place where they are keen to strive for such things.
Or is it simply that StKilda are just that much better at picking players.
Why do you think a young player in the AFL would want to sleep all the time if life at his club was so engaging. Maybe it was cause he was depressed with his work life and no-one gave him the support he required.
You claim that it is paramount to bad luck that all of these young men come into a club and dont live up to expectations. And therefore seem to think that there was nothing that the club could have done about it.
I dont know how much you know about the coaching theories at StKilda but they spend a lot of time teaching the players about mental toughness. Then they take them on overseas traing camps where they are also taught about mental toughness by world champion athletes, boxers and so on.
This is about management, Mental toughness, heart whatever can be instilled in people though putting an evironment in place where they are keen to strive for such things.
Or is it simply that StKilda are just that much better at picking players.
Why do you think a young player in the AFL would want to sleep all the time if life at his club was so engaging. Maybe it was cause he was depressed with his work life and no-one gave him the support he required.
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TasSaint said:
Agree whole-heartedly. I respect what st>kilda have done, and it hurts like hell to say that. Either way you look at it, The CLUB is more to blame than the players involved. The CLUB picks THEM, The CLUB develops them - The CLUB pays them (often too much - david Bourke on $250,000 a year!)
****************, reciver with talent.
Will do well in a very good team.
Will do well in a very good team.