First 22 in 2023

[Mikevk123]

B- Starcevich Andrews Gardiner
HB- K.Coleman Adams Rich
C- Berry Dunkley Mcluaggage
HF- Bailey Daniher Gunston
F- McCarthy Hipwood Cameron
FOLL- Omac Lyons Neale
I/C- Rayner, Zorko, Ashcroft, Wilmot

Emergencies
Robertson, Ah’Chee, Payne, Fort, Prior, Answerth, Mathieson, Lohmann

 

[The Flying Belgian]

McCarthy is the first and by a margin. He plays a difficult role but he just goes missing too much. He spends way too much time being last to the pack and then standing there waving his arms at the umpire while the ball scoots straight past him. And the odd goal is not enough. We are at a point where we can't just keeping carrying players if we expect to win premierships. Being opportunistic is fine but you need to contribute both ways all the time.

An 8th in the B & F suggests this would be long odds. I'd hazard a guess that he's playing his role and anything more than a goal a game is a bonus.

 

[notliondown]

An 8th in the B & F suggests this would be long odds. I'd hazard a guess that he's playing his role and anything more than a goal a game is a bonus.

Yep... and I get that... I thought I had even mentioned whether he was being coached that way in the post but I must have changed it.

I wonder what they percieve his role to be but... he certainly doesn't exude pressure... and nor is he dominant in his position? I just can't see how he's adding 100% value the way he's being used. We seem intent on always having a player waiting on loose ball beside the pack - which is understandable. The trouble seems at times too many want to play that part...

Either way, I can't help but think he needs to lose the "waving down the umpire and losing the focus of the pack" portion of his game - too many times he's standing there appealing and the game goes on without him.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Yep... and I get that... I thought I had even mentioned whether he was being coached that way in the post but I must have changed it.

I wonder what they percieve his role to be but... he certainly doesn't exude pressure... and nor is he dominant in his position? I just can't see how he's adding 100% value the way he's being used. We seem intent on always having a player waiting on loose ball beside the pack - which is understandable. The trouble seems at times too many want to play that part...

Either way, I can't help but think he needs to lose the "waving down the umpire and losing the focus of the pack" portion of his game - too many times he's standing there appealing and the game goes on without him.

I do think he was carrying some injuries late in the year. But I think he's one of those cases where our expectation of a player doesn't marry up to what the coaching expects of him. I did see a stat where he was top 10 in the league in score chain involvements (or something like that), but buggered if I know where to find that stat.

 

[BrizzyBandit]

I am pumped for next year.

We have so much upside for 2023.
Berry was looking so strong towards the end of this year. Rayner started finding time and space in tight situations. This poise combined with his physical attributes could see him find God Mode next year.

Hipwood played some of his best football and had a very dangerous look about him.

Before injury it look like Daniher had taken a step forward with accuracy and consistency. I'm hoping he can discover this and become a savage.

I think Andrews is going to train the house down, Kiddy Coleman will have another preseason under his belt.

Add Dunkly and Ashcroft to the mix..... $hits going to get real.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I do think he was carrying some injuries late in the year. But I think he's one of those cases where our expectation of a player doesn't marry up to what the coaching expects of him. I did see a stat where he was top 10 in the league in score chain involvements (or something like that), but buggered if I know where to find that stat.

Linc is also one of our best tacklers. Love what he brings to the team & despite what some say here, played his role significantly better than Bailey this year.

 

[esbulldogs]

I am pumped for next year.

We have so much upside for 2023.
Berry was looking so strong towards the end of this year. Rayner started finding time and space in tight situations. This poise combined with his physical attributes could see him find God Mode next year.

Hipwood played some of his best football and had a very dangerous look about him.

Before injury it look like Daniher had taken a step forward with accuracy and consistency. I'm hoping he can discover this and become a savage.

I think Andrews is going to train the house down, Kiddy Coleman will have another preseason under his belt.

Add Dunkly and Ashcroft to the mix..... $hits going to get real.

Dunkley get it right brother


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[theteamtobeat]

I feel like we need a new captain in 2023 is well. Zorko has been great, but I feel like Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

Age

29

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

needs to be Captain and Neale Vice Captain in 2023.

 

[md20]

FB: Gardiner, Andrews, Starcevich
HB: Coleman, Adams, Zorko
M: McCluggage, Berry, Ashcroft
HF: Bailey, Hipwood, Rayner
FF: Cameron, Gunston, McCarthy
F: McInerney, Dunkley, Neale
Int: Robertson, Wilmot, Fort, Lohmann (or Answerth, or Prior, or Rich....good problem to have)

 

[briztoon]

FB: Gardiner, Andrews, Starcevich
HB: Coleman, Adams, Zorko
M: McCluggage, Berry, Ashcroft
HF: Bailey, Hipwood, Rayner
FF: Cameron, Gunston, McCarthy
F: McInerney, Dunkley, Neale
Int: Robertson, Wilmot, Fort, Lohmann (or Answerth, or Prior, or Rich....good problem to have)

You don’t rate Daniher?

 

[Lazza16]

FB: Gardiner, Andrews, Starcevich
HB: Coleman, Adams, Zorko
M: McCluggage, Berry, Ashcroft
HF: Bailey, Hipwood, Rayner
FF: Cameron, Gunston, McCarthy
F: McInerney, Dunkley, Neale
Int: Robertson, Wilmot, Fort, Lohmann (or Answerth, or Prior, or Rich....good problem to have)

Exciting times....I would have Payne over Adams as opposition forwards get taller n taller, unfortunately Adams is 2 short for a KPD. Just have to have Dizzy playing. Good team MD...selectors in for a fun season.

 

[md20]

You don’t rate Daniher?

Its a tough one. I rate him, but he and Hipwood are the same build...Tall/lanky skinny and somewhat unco-ordinated. I feel like that doesnt work in a forward line.
If he plays ruck then change him for Fort. But if not, Daniher, Hipwood, and Gunston is too much for me up forward

 

[md20]

Exciting times....I would have Payne over Adams as opposition forwards get taller n taller, unfortunately Adams is 2 short for a KPD. Just have to have Dizzy playing. Good team MD...selectors in for a fun season.

Yeah Payne is another I struggled with that I wanted in. Who knows what version of Adams will come back after that lengthy concussion.
Lyons, Ah Chee, Rich, and as mentioned just above...Daniher are also others I wanted in but couldn't find a spot.
This is 'starting 22' so obviously would change on form/injury and finding out certain things dont work so guys could make their way back in.

 

[Dalions]

Its a tough one. I rate him, but he and Hipwood are the same build...Tall/lanky skinny and somewhat unco-ordinated. I feel like that doesnt work in a forward line.
If he plays ruck then change him for Fort. But if not, Daniher, Hipwood, and Gunston is too much for me up forward

Gunston is a different type to what we have on our list, tends to play a bit more of a smaller leading type forward which will be an interesting mix.
We can definitely play two taller forwards with Gunston also in there.

 

[Scubaveg]

Gunston is a different type to what we have on our list, tends to play a bit more of a smaller leading type forward which will be an interesting mix.
We can definitely play two taller forwards with Gunston also in there.

Franklin Roughhead gunston…


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[Dalions]

Franklin Roughhead gunston…


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2 lefty’s too.

 

[md20]

Franklin Roughhead gunston…


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Franklin is similar in structure and playing type to Daniher and Hipwood.
They only had Franklin..

Roughhead and Gunston were similar. Same height but shorter than the ones mentioned above. Roughhead just had more meat on him than Gunston.

So basically the reverse of what we had. And I think that works more than our structure. Especially when the real talls (Franklin, Daniher, Hipwood) arent great marks.

 

[notliondown]

Linc is also one of our best tacklers. Love what he brings to the team & despite what some say here, played his role significantly better than Bailey this year.

Hence the idea of moving him to defence.

I think linc has the ability to break open a game... And maybe after seeing The Flying Belgian post about score involvement I need to rethink it... But I just don't think we get full value out of him atm.

His current position is also one where we have a glut of candidates to full and not so much in defence [emoji1745]

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[rwan566]

Franklin is similar in structure and playing type to Daniher and Hipwood.
They only had Franklin..

Roughhead and Gunston were similar. Same height but shorter than the ones mentioned above. Roughhead just had more meat on him than Gunston.

So basically the reverse of what we had. And I think that works more than our structure. Especially when the real talls (Franklin, Daniher, Hipwood) arent great marks.

Roughead was a much better contested mark than Gunston. Gunston is a leading player more in the Breust mold

In order for Gunston to be effective we need to lower the eyes. If we bomb long Gunston won’t be anymore effective than mcstay. Potentially less effective as I rate mcstay as the better contested mark

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Hence the idea of moving him to defence.

I think linc has the ability to break open a game... And maybe after seeing The Flying Belgian post about score involvement I need to rethink it... But I just don't think we get full value out of him atm.

It may not have been score involvement exactly, perhaps it was scoring chain starter or something obscure along those lines. Whatever it was, it raised my eyebrows a bit.

I think that value thing is the lot of a small forward. I think back to watching Craig McRae and used to think similar, that he was so talented and clever and if only he could get involved a bit more. He is arguably our most reliable shot for goal I'd think.

 

[notliondown]

It may not have been score involvement exactly, perhaps it was scoring chain starter or something obscure along those lines. Whatever it was, it raised my eyebrows a bit.

I think that value thing is the lot of a small forward. I think back to watching Craig McRae and used to think similar, that he was so talented and clever and if only he could get involved a bit more. He is arguably our most reliable shot for goal I'd think.

Haha I used to think exactly the same. Gee he was underrated by a few.

I'm sensing some irony as I type this... Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead... Or at least not so far behind [emoji4]

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[The Flying Belgian]

Haha I used to think exactly the same. Gee he was underrated by a few.

I'm sensing some irony as I type this... Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead... Or at least not so far behind [emoji4]

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I do take your earlier point though - if you think about who is most at risk of being dropped in that forward line, his name is up there. Not because of his output, but becasuse he's behind Cameron, Rayner and Bailey probably. Also, I suspect, many are lured by the bright-new-shiny-thing potential of Lohmann.

 

[nup]

Thing is its Lincs spot to lose and the others had the whole preseason and year to take it. Lets see if they do this upcoming preseason

 

[Saucery]

I actually quite like Zorko for Lincs role up forward, not as good over head but has better disposal inside 50 and sets an example for defensive pressure.

What about Zorko for Rich down back?

Browny gave Rich an almighty spray after the Prelim.

Maybe it's time to give Rich a rest early season and swap Zorko in down back.

If Rich wants the spot back he has to show improvement, like anyone else.

No room for sacred cows or we don't improve.

"Have a look at Daniel Rich here (running on the wing). Do you think he wants to join in team defence? He’s still looking over going: ‘Oh I’ve got my man covered. Gary Rohan’s put 30 metres on him – they could have held hands when they crossed each other. But he had no desire to join in any team defence whatsoever.

“It’s alright when he’s got the footy and he looks beautiful because he’s a great kick.

“But time and time and time again you’ll see that from Daniel Rich having no interest in joining in on team defence.”

‘No desire to defend’: Star blasted as Lions great calls them ‘lucky’, says rivals all knew secret flaw

‘No desire to defend’: Star blasted as Lions great calls them ‘lucky’, says rivals all knew secret flaw

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[morsie]

Gunstkn is a good mark for his size not great but good.He us also however a very smart footballer who leads to places where basically you can't miss him.Aleays has good shots for goal not too many tight angles again because of his leading patterns.If his body holds up he will be a major asset