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Gunstkn is a good mark for his size not great but good.He us also however a very smart footballer who leads to places where basically you can't miss him.Aleays has good shots for goal not too many tight angles again because of his leading patterns.If his body holds up he will be a major asset

He's also great down back and can offer us a true utility player, one who can create mismatches at either end of the ground.

 
Regarding Linc's forward spot
I don't see him having a position change or any player in the VFL that could produce his numbers
Linc came to the Lions in 2019 so his numbers below from that date

However what i would like to see is more of our older players "managed" during the year

I have included our new guy Gunston and 2 young players in Bailey and Rayner
Also noticed in this 4 year period all have kicked more goals than behinds.
One exception being year 2019 Rayner kicked 20 goals 25 behinds

Name​
Year​
Games​
Goals
Behinds
Tackles
Score Involvements
McCarthy - Gunston202225 (16) (24) (24)35 (32) (37) (24)13 (24) (18) (21)83 (22) (52) (56)119 (91) (133)(115)
Bailey - Rayner202124 (1) (24) (0)36 (0) (31) (0)15 (0) (18) (0)80 (2) (68) (0)121 (0) (166) (0)
202017 (16) (19) (17) 15 (31) (13) (17)15 (21) (9) (7)54 (22) (47) (54) 74 (87) (69) (69)
201924 (20) (15) (24)20 (26) (5) (20)13 (21) (5) (25)94 (46) (29) (52)103(126) (39) (101)
 
What about Zorko for Rich down back?

Browny gave Rich an almighty spray after the Prelim.

Maybe it's time to give Rich a rest early season and swap Zorko in down back.

If Rich wants the spot back he has to show improvement, like anyone else.

No room for sacred cows or we don't improve.

"Have a look at Daniel Rich here (running on the wing). Do you think he wants to join in team defence? He’s still looking over going: ‘Oh I’ve got my man covered. Gary Rohan’s put 30 metres on him – they could have held hands when they crossed each other. But he had no desire to join in any team defence whatsoever.


“It’s alright when he’s got the footy and he looks beautiful because he’s a great kick.

“But time and time and time again you’ll see that from Daniel Rich having no interest in joining in on team defence.”



I think that Rich is a bit underrated as far as his ability to defend. He doesn't have great pace and can be exposed in that regard, but if the ball is coming in high he puts himself in good positions to spoil and puts his body on the line.

Personally I want us to play a forward with a clearly defensive mindset, and I think the best option we have on our list right now for that is Zorko. Linc I think could also do the role but he's so strong overhead he can't help but go for marks. A defensive focused, crumb first small is something our forward line is missing IMO. Bailey is another option but I see him moving more through the wing and streaming through 50, and feel he would be a bit wasted in the role. Having a very skilled veteran like Zorko in the role is actually quite a luxary.

We have other users off half back and probably need to look more to the future in that spot, rather then trying to replace Rich with Zorko.
 

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Starcevich. Payne. Andrews.
Coleman. Adams. Wilmont.

McCluggage. Rayner. Berry.
McInerney. Dunkley. Neale.

Gunston. Hipwood. Baily.
Cameron. Daniher. McCarthy.

Zorko, Ashcroft, Rich, Robertson.
i like the team as you have included two of my favourite younger guys as well as Wilmont. Would also like to see Prior there but just don't know how he gets in at present. Also I like to see Lohmann at some stage in 2023 get a decent crack but I suppose at present behind Linc.

After offering Gardiner a 3, possibly 4 year contract I believe he is selected. If neither Lyons (who still has at least two years) and Gardiner (who has at least 3 years remaining) are not best 22 then could be some trade value at the end of 2023. Alternatively I feel if Dev, Payne and Prior have not cemented a spot during 2023 they will likely seek opportunities.

Good position for the club with such depth, and all things being equal, we should be in the GF next year.
 
I think that Rich is a bit underrated as far as his ability to defend. He doesn't have great pace and can be exposed in that regard, but if the ball is coming in high he puts himself in good positions to spoil and puts his body on the line.

Personally I want us to play a forward with a clearly defensive mindset, and I think the best option we have on our list right now for that is Zorko. Linc I think could also do the role but he's so strong overhead he can't help but go for marks. A defensive focused, crumb first small is something our forward line is missing IMO. Bailey is another option but I see him moving more through the wing and streaming through 50, and feel he would be a bit wasted in the role. Having a very skilled veteran like Zorko in the role is actually quite a luxary.

We have other users off half back and probably need to look more to the future in that spot, rather then trying to replace Rich with Zorko.
Our forwards can all kick goals sure but some of them aren't too hot at applying defensive pressure or gut running to defend space on any possible rebound. We don't have the mix quite right but it's hard to replace any of them because they're all good players.

It's hard not to agree with Browny on our lack of run around the ground and that's where we've been found out when blown away in finals.

We have guys with real pace like Cameron and Bailey but you wouldn't describe them as consistent runners over 4 quarters.

We haven't been able to sustainably improve our list in that area , Dunkley and Ashcroft will help , so the only present solution is to improve the guys we have , get them more accountable
 
Maybe on the bench. I'm not as hot on Dev as others. He had a good finals series, but was found out against Geelong. Hopefully he can find some form, but I still think he's behind Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Berry, Bailey and Rayner.

Odd comment. The entire team was smashed by Geelong. Dev applied more pressure than any other Lion on the field that day and could hold his head up high.
 
Updated best 23 post trade period:

FB: Darcy Wilmot - Harris Andrews - Brandon Starcevich

HB: Keidean Coleman - Marcus Adams - Jack Payne

R: Oscar McInerney - Lachie Neale - Josh Dunkley

C: Will Ashcroft - Hugh McCluggage - Dev Robertson

HF: Charlie Cameron - Eric Hipwood - Cam Rayner

FF: Jack Gunston - Joe Daniher - Zac Bailey

INT: Lincoln McCarthy - Jarrod Berry - Dayne Zorko - Callum Ah Chee

MED SUB: Darcy Fort (hoping they extend bench to 5 and do away with the silly med sub).

EMG: James Madden - Kai Lohmann - Rhys Mathieson - Jaxon Prior
Would like to see players rested so the team can be rotated a bit, like what Geelong did.

Depth
- Blake Coleman - Noah Answerth - Darcy Gardiner - Tom Fullarton - James Tunstill - Jarrod Lyons - Harry Sharp - Jaspa Fletcher

Midfield:
I would like to see Cam Rayner attend more centre bounces to provide a midfielder bull type.
I would also like Bailey provided with midfield minutes to utilise his speed.
I would occasionally provide McCarthy with midfield time as well. He is tough in the contest. In previous years has shown to be very capable. I am at a loss to the why he was not used more there this year.
Ashcroft - he is a midfielder. As such I would like him to start wing like McCluggage did early days, and not forward. I would give him some opportunity to play in the middle too (centre bounce) to see how he performs in terms of clearance work.

Daniel Rich:
Sad to leave him out.
His elite kicking will be missed.
He’s been loyal to the lions, and a warrior. Wrapped he earned an All Australian guernsey.
But Coleman is now our elite ball user from defence, and I feel Rich has now lost pace, and is looking a bit like Hodge in his final year.

James Madden:
I have chosen him as an emergency on leg speed rather than 2022 form in the reserves, and that I really would like to see some extra leg speed in our team; especially in defence. Wilmot adds a bit of pace.
Sometimes a player lifts and performs better at a higher level.
The bit Madden has played at senior level I thought he’d done OK. I think he’s been a bit stiff in terms of not being given any extended run to prove himself at senior level.

Jack Payne:
I much prefer him over Gardiner.
I think Payne has been very good when playing seniors, yet Fagan has preferred Gardiner and Adams over him.
Although a bit shaky at times, you often find a player becomes more reliable and confident after 50-100 games. I think he can develop into a very good defender. As strong as an ox with a booming kick and elite mark.
Think he could also ruck occasionally to provide Oscar with a rest.
 
Harris would be a good option to Lachie in my opinion providing he also is fit. The critisism he has copped from some on here has been a bit rough.
He's one of our most valuable players but here's hoping he spends the off season working on his speed off the mark and reaction times.

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I think Lyons is the crucial player for next year. If he recovers and goes back to his elite form of the previous two years we have great midfield depth. We were very thin this year.

I see Lyons (hopefully) being a new recruit for 2023.
 
I think Lyons is the crucial player for next year. If he recovers and goes back to his elite form of the previous two years we have great midfield depth. We were very thin this year.

I see Lyons (hopefully) being a new recruit for 2023.
hoping the same Rich and Zorko. All three down on form although kept there spots.
Hope more pressure now from guys behind. Dunkley be 22 and you say Ashcroft as well. Gunston swap for McStay
So two are out.
 

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B: Jack Payne - Harris Andrews - Brandon Starcevich
HB: Keidean Coleman - Marcus Adams - Daniel Rich
C: Jarrod Berry - Josh Dunkley - Jaxon Prior
HF: Zac Bailey - Eric Hipwood - Cam Rayner
F: Charlie Cameron - Joe Daniher - Jack Gunston
R: Oscar McInerney - Lachie Neale - Hugh McCluggage

INT: Darcy Wilmot - Deven Robertson - Will Ashcroft - Lincoln McCarthy - Cal Ah Chee

Assuming medisub is scrapped in favour of 5th bench spot which seems to be a talking point picking up a bit more as of late, Ah Chee is the 5th bemch spot and would be the one to drop out to the sub role if the status quo is retained

the player im torn on is zorko - i think its for the best if we move past him but he would probably be a walk up start if available to the coaches. he does bring leadership which this team as it stands might lack but its time for our young future captains in mccluggage, berry and rayner to stand up and seize the reins for themselves

if joe cant do chop out ruck work a spot for fort probably needs to be found somewhere
 
Odd comment. The entire team was smashed by Geelong. Dev applied more pressure than any other Lion on the field that day and could hold his head up high.
I disagree, there were some games where he looked alright, but as a young player, he was very inconsistent. Our midfield is quite strong, I can't see a lot of list getting dropped to make space for Dev at this stage, especially with the recruitment of Ashcroft. Fox Footy didn't name him in our predicted best 22.
 
I disagree, there were some games where he looked alright, but as a young player, he was very inconsistent. Our midfield is quite strong, I can't see a lot of list getting dropped to make space for Dev at this stage, especially with the recruitment of Ashcroft. Fox Footy didn't name him in our predicted best 22.

How do you play consistently in seniors when your role isn't consistent?

His early games bounced from forward pressure role to bencher filling in where needed. In the finals he went from on ball to wing, and was actually quite consistent and performed well in both roles.

Agree to disagree, but think he showed in finals why he is best 22 and why the club rate him as such moving forward.
 
Below from today's Foxsports article on best 22 for all clubs
No big surprises but they did leave out Wilmot

BRISBANE LIONS

B:
Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner

HB: Keidan Coleman, Marcus Adams, Brandon Starcevich

C: Zac Bailey, Jarrod Berry, Hugh McCluggage

HF: Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Jack Gunston

F: Charlie Cameron, Joe Daniher, Lincoln McCarthy

FOLL: Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley

I/C: Will Ashcroft, Jarryd Lyons, Noah Answerth, Dayne Zorko

In: Josh Dunkley, Jack Gunston, Will Ashcroft*


Out: Mitch Robinson, Dan McStay

WE SAY: We could be looking at the premiership favourites right here. The Lions were arguably the biggest winners of the trade period after adding boom recruits Josh Dunkley and Jack Gunston to provide big boosts to the midfield and forward line respectively. Gunston is an upgrade on new Magpie Dan McStay, while Dunkley fleshes out an already potent midfield. Brisbane may have the most balanced, deepest line-up in the competition, with virtually no holes. Will Ashcroft is a rare case of a player that we both know will get to the Lions via the draft and could well be in the best 22 come round one next season.
 
Below from today's Foxsports article on best 22 for all clubs
No big surprises but they did leave out Wilmot

BRISBANE LIONS

B:
Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner

HB: Keidan Coleman, Marcus Adams, Brandon Starcevich

C: Zac Bailey, Jarrod Berry, Hugh McCluggage

HF: Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Jack Gunston

F: Charlie Cameron, Joe Daniher, Lincoln McCarthy

FOLL: Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley

I/C: Will Ashcroft, Jarryd Lyons, Noah Answerth, Dayne Zorko

In: Josh Dunkley, Jack Gunston, Will Ashcroft*


Out: Mitch Robinson, Dan McStay

WE SAY: We could be looking at the premiership favourites right here. The Lions were arguably the biggest winners of the trade period after adding boom recruits Josh Dunkley and Jack Gunston to provide big boosts to the midfield and forward line respectively. Gunston is an upgrade on new Magpie Dan McStay, while Dunkley fleshes out an already potent midfield. Brisbane may have the most balanced, deepest line-up in the competition, with virtually no holes. Will Ashcroft is a rare case of a player that we both know will get to the Lions via the draft and could well be in the best 22 come round one next season.

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You can only fit in 22. If you’re out you’re not unlucky, you are simply not good enough to be in this team if everyone’s running at full potential. Ashcroft is the one I (and many others, I know) am most excited about. Has the “how good can he be” about him, we know he’s got the goods, but if he’s goes bang from the start it’s a massive game changer for the Lions.
 
Below from today's Foxsports article on best 22 for all clubs
No big surprises but they did leave out Wilmot

BRISBANE LIONS

B:
Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner

HB: Keidan Coleman, Marcus Adams, Brandon Starcevich

C: Zac Bailey, Jarrod Berry, Hugh McCluggage

HF: Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Jack Gunston

F: Charlie Cameron, Joe Daniher, Lincoln McCarthy

FOLL: Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley

I/C: Will Ashcroft, Jarryd Lyons, Noah Answerth, Dayne Zorko

In: Josh Dunkley, Jack Gunston, Will Ashcroft*


Out: Mitch Robinson, Dan McStay

WE SAY: We could be looking at the premiership favourites right here. The Lions were arguably the biggest winners of the trade period after adding boom recruits Josh Dunkley and Jack Gunston to provide big boosts to the midfield and forward line respectively. Gunston is an upgrade on new Magpie Dan McStay, while Dunkley fleshes out an already potent midfield. Brisbane may have the most balanced, deepest line-up in the competition, with virtually no holes. Will Ashcroft is a rare case of a player that we both know will get to the Lions via the draft and could well be in the best 22 come round one next season.
Agree 100% with this 22. Good side.
 
BRISBANE LIONS

B:
Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner

HB: Keidan Coleman, Marcus Adams, Brandon Starcevich

C: Jarrod Berry, Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage

HF: Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Zac Bailey

F: Charlie Cameron, Joe Daniher, Lincoln McCarthy

FOLL: Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley

I/C: Jack Gunston, Will Ashcroft Noah Answerth, Dayne Zorko, Deven Robertson,

Em: Callum Ah Chee, Darcy Fort, Jack Payne
 
B Adams, Gardiner, Payne
HB K.Coleman, Andrews, Starcevich
C McCluggage, Dunkley, Ashcroft
HF Rayner, Hipwood, Bailey
F Gunston, Daniher, Cameron
Ruck McInerney, Neale, Berry
Int Ah Chee, Rich, McCarthy, Zorko, Robertson
Emg Fletcher, Wilmott, Fort
 
BRISBANE LIONS

B: Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews, Darcy Gardiner

HB: Keidan Coleman, Marcus Adams, Brandon Starcevich

C: Jarrod Berry, Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage

HF: Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Zac Bailey

F: Charlie Cameron, Joe Daniher, Lincoln McCarthy

FOLL: Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley

I/C: Jack Gunston, Will Ashcroft Noah Answerth, Dayne Zorko, Deven Robertson,

Em: Callum Ah Chee, Darcy Fort, Jack Payne
On paper, the 2023 team looks incredibly strong, with up to 30 players capable of making the best 22.
Obvious improvements needed from this year are defensive pressure on opposition mids, and stop giving up goals to turnovers.
I’d like to see Berry use his defensive skills and play as a mid/tall back, possibly replacing Gardiner or Adams.
I’d have Robertson in the side as a lockdown mid. Nearly every round this year, the oppositions best onballer had a big game, high stats.
I’d put Rayner in the centre. I think he is now mature enough to take that responsibility.

B. Berry. Andrews. Payne/Gardiner

HB. Starcevich. Adams. Coleman

C. McCluggage. Rayner. Ashcroft

HF. Hipwood. Gunston. Bailey

F. Cameron. Daniher. Zorko

R. Mcinerney. Dunkley. Neale

Int. Wilmot. Robertson. Rich. Lyons. Fort

Emerg. McCarthy. Mathieson. Answerth. Lohmann. Tunstill. Prior.
I think all these emergencies should get reasonable rotation through the team next year.
 
On paper, the 2023 team looks incredibly strong, with up to 30 players capable of making the best 22.
Obvious improvements needed from this year are defensive pressure on opposition mids, and stop giving up goals to turnovers.
I’d like to see Berry use his defensive skills and play as a mid/tall back, possibly replacing Gardiner or Adams.
I’d have Robertson in the side as a lockdown mid. Nearly every round this year, the oppositions best onballer had a big game, high stats.
I’d put Rayner in the centre. I think he is now mature enough to take that responsibility.

B. Berry. Andrews. Payne/Gardiner

HB. Starcevich. Adams. Coleman

C. McCluggage. Rayner. Ashcroft

HF. Hipwood. Gunston. Bailey

F. Cameron. Daniher. Zorko

R. Mcinerney. Dunkley. Neale

Int. Wilmot. Robertson. Rich. Lyons. Fort

Emerg. McCarthy. Mathieson. Answerth. Lohmann. Tunstill. Prior.
I think all these emergencies should get reasonable rotation through the team next year.
I agree with your emergency list getting plenty of games with the addition of Ah Chee and Madden as well. I'd like to see Lohmann and Prior in particularly start to impose themselves in the reserves and bash the door down for senior selection. It would be great if guys like Henry Smith, Kalin Lane, Carter Michael, Blake Coleman and Jasper Fletcher could push for senior games as well. I am also curious to see if Daryl White Jr(Subject to him actually being aded to our rookie list officially) can play any footy next year. He is 26 so he needs to make a case relatively early.
 

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