First 22 in 2023

[Mighty Lions]

Should have been booked in the second he failed to make the distance from 30m in that VFL final.

It was decided to see how it feels after complete rest before surgery. Obviously the rest hasn't helped much so now the timing is right for surgery and hopefully a quick and full recovery. Any operation such as this has it's risks so they wanted to be 100% sure that a good period of rest might have been the better option first.
I hope he recovers totally and gets back to his best and plays a part in our 2023 season. I still believe a fit JL is a huge asset to the team.

 

[Section 5]

Mighty Lions just made a post regarding Jarrod but i will still post this one

I think a lot of players usually get surgery after their post season leave.
I imaging like everything their are exceptions. Like surgery that's needed urgently

Below from the existing players agreement which ended this year. Can't see any new one
It's a 117 page agreement so i did not read it all. Just went to the leave bits
The Leave bits are on pages 74-78 for anyone interested
Dates below don't quite gell but possibly after Lyons had his six weeks leave his earliest surgery date was this week
Maybe if he had surgery after his last game he then goes on injury leave (rehab). Then he still has to get a minimum of 6 weeks leave
I could have it wrong but this is most likely the reason

file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/AFL_CBA_2017-2022%20(1)%20(4).pdf
Or via (number 2)

AFL Collective Bargaining Agreement (2017-2022)

The Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the AFL Players’ Association and the CBA came into effect for the 2017 season and runs through to the end of the 2022 season. Click here to read more…

www.aflplayers.com.au

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9.1 Post Season Leave
(a) A Player shall be entitled to Leave between his Club’s Season Conclusion Date and its Recommencement Date (Post Season Leave).
(b) A Club’s Season Conclusion Date shall be the Tuesday after the Club’s final match of the AFL Season, except that:

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9.1 c (ii) the Recommencement Date for Clubs that participated in weeks 2-4 of the Finals Series shall not be prior to 1 December;
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9.1 c (iv) each Player shall receive a minimum of six weeks Leave prior to the Recommencement Date.

 

[nup]

Indicative of how older players may be managed more successfully perhaps. Overall health and mental health also important for recovery so a routine break is plausible. Readiness for rd 1 only 1 consideration

 

[Mighty Lions]

Indicative of how older players may be managed more successfully perhaps. Overall health and mental health also important for recovery so a routine break is plausible. Readiness for rd 1 only 1 consideration

In JL's case where he is near the end of his career and every game from here is a bonus, I dont believe a full 6 weeks off is on the forefront of his mind. If surgery was a no brainer at the end of the season (which it wasn't) he would have been on the operating table without hesitation.

 

[SizeMatters]

It was decided to see how it feels after complete rest before surgery. Obviously the rest hasn't helped much so now the timing is right for surgery and hopefully a quick and full recovery. Any operation such as this has it's risks so they wanted to be 100% sure that a good period of rest might have been the better option first.
I hope he recovers totally and gets back to his best and plays a part in our 2023 season. I still believe a fit JL is a huge asset to the team.

He’ll be a great mentor for the VFL lads.

 

[lionraven]

I don't work in orthopedics anymore but what I remember is that for hip adductor strains operative procedure havent been shown to consistently yeild better results than non-operative rest and protected weight baring measures. I dont know what Lyons actual injury is or if there is better data supporting operative measures in sports people but it doesn't sound that exotic for his surgeon to suggest a period of rest as opposed to an immediate operation for Jsrryds hip.

 

[briztoon]

I don't work in orthopedics anymore but what I remember is that for hip adductor strains operative procedure havent been shown to consistently yeild better results than non-operative rest and protected weight baring measures. I dont know what Lyons actual injury is or if there is better data supporting operative measures in sports people but it doesn't sound that exotic for his surgeon to suggest a period of rest as opposed to an immediate operation for Jsrryds hip.

Osteopubis. I think, someone mentioned something about “releasing” a tendon or something.

 

[Royboy1961]

The definitive list

Full back	Darcy Gardiner​	Harris Andrews (vc)​	Brandon Starcevich​
Half back	Keidean Coleman​	Marcus Adams​	Daniel Rich​
Centre	Jarrod Berry​	Josh Dunkley​	Zac Bailey​
Followers	Oscar McInerney​	Lachie Neale (c)​	Hugh McCluggage​
Half forward	Eric Hipwood​	Joe Daniher​	Lincoln McCarthy​
Full forward	Charlie Cameron​	Jack Gunston​	Cameron Rayner​
Int: Noah Answerth	Jarrod Lyons​	Will Ashcroft	Dayne Zorko​

Medical sub: Deven Robertson

Some notes:

• Dev replaces Lyons in the side by season's end.
• Darcy Fort is brought to have one more tall, even though I like it better when we play smaller.
• Hipwood and Daniher play much further up the ground, with Daniher spending time in the ruck.
• Rayner and Bailey could spend more time in the middle, or settle in as half-forwards for the majority of the season.
• Payne, Prior, Lester, Ah Chee, Wilmot, Lohmann, Matheison could all be brought in.

It looks like McKenna replaces Noah Answerth in the best 22 now. McKenna either plays half back flank or wing I reckon . I don’t know a lot about him but as he has nominated the Lions I reckon he has been promised a position in our best 22 which is his to lose. The lions have a history of recruiting ready made players that play in the 1sts.

 

[Jubair]

A fit and firing JL is only a good thing for our midfield. Competition will create higher level of performances throughout the midfield and to me, that will be one of the best things that can happen.

 

[rye]

A fit and firing JL is only a good thing for our midfield. Competition will create higher level of performances throughout the midfield and to me, that will be one of the best things that can happen.

if either jl can get back to his pre 2022 form or robertson reaches that level himself to cement his spot we will be a much better team for it - we cant lose if jl is fit and firing

tunstill is probably a couple years off being a full time afl level contributor but i suspect he will also be placing pressure for spots this year

 

[Nathan Barley]

if either jl can get back to his pre 2022 form or robertson reaches that level himself to cement his spot we will be a much better team for it - we cant lose if jl is fit and firing

tunstill is probably a couple years off being a full time afl level contributor but i suspect he will also be placing pressure for spots this year

Or we continue to play JL while he’s underperforming and Dev requests a trade where he then goes to the next level and after 5 years of falling short we drop back to mid table as our squad ages

 

[LongLion]

Or we continue to play JL while he’s underperforming and Dev requests a trade where he then goes to the next level and after 5 years of falling short we drop back to mid table as our squad ages

Glass half empty much??!!

 

[Viceregal]

A fit and firing JL is only a good thing for our midfield. Competition will create higher level of performances throughout the midfield and to me, that will be one of the best things that can happen.

Or we continue to play JL while he’s underperforming and Dev requests a trade where he then goes to the next level and after 5 years of falling short we drop back to mid table as our squad ages

Glass half empty much??!!

Depends if picking players based on current performance becomes the norm rather than a thing-we-did-in-finals once...

 

[Berrygood]

Can't see Dev going anywhere. He will have a huge preseason, maybe put some beef on and hold his spot in front of Lyons all season. Breakout year for Dev, he and the club will recognise the future and lock him in. An injury free run, with good form and he will re-sign at the bye. No doubt.

Just the difference he made to the pace and run of our game in our final few games was noticeable. Neale, Dunkley, McCluggage, Berry, Dev and Ashcroft is pretty solid going fwd. Bailey, Rayner chipping in. Tunstill could even jump Lyons with a big preseason and great early form. Lyons, Matho could be well down the pecking order by the end of 23.

 

[25 years on]

Depends if picking players based on current performance becomes the norm rather than a thing-we-did-in-finals once...

I think it’s better to finish somewhere in the top eight after 22 rounds with fully fit player, than top two with half the team tired and carrying injury.

 

[Bombers36]

McKenna, Dunkley & Gunston great additions to your already strong line up - your going to really push to play in a grand final in 2023 with this 23;-


Starcevich Andrews Gardiner

Rich Adams McKenna

Berry Dunkley Baily

McCarntey Hipwood Zorko

Gunston Daniher Cameron



McInerney Neil McCluggage



Bench: Answerth Lyons Ashcroft Rayner Coleman

 

[Sproj]

It was apparent this year that Kiddy is a gun BUT he also has an issue with his motor. If he can’t fix that, he might well have Wilmott take his spot now we have McKenna as well.

 

[nup]

Im as excited as Ive ever been to watch the Lions play next year now with the changes to the team. The departures and additions necessitate changing dynamics, and the exciting skill sets and experience are going to see the team playing some of the most watchable footy in years I reckon.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

It was apparent this year that Kiddy is a gun BUT he also has an issue with his motor. If he can’t fix that, he might well have Wilmott take his spot now we have McKenna as well.

Maybe Keidan could play on a wing instead, and play 2 of McKenna, Ah Chee, Answerth, Wilmott in defence.

 

[Scubaveg]

It was apparent this year that Kiddy is a gun BUT he also has an issue with his motor. If he can’t fix that, he might well have Wilmott take his spot now we have McKenna as well.

Kiddy could move to the wing. His delivery inside 50 is elite.


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[Dalions]

Maybe Keidan could play on a wing instead, and play 2 of McKenna, Ah Chee, Answerth, Wilmott in defence.

Not sure Kiddy’s running capacity would suit a wing.
But as it develops he could move further up the ground for sure.

 

[On the quiet]

It was apparent this year that Kiddy is a gun BUT he also has an issue with his motor. If he can’t fix that, he might well have Wilmott take his spot now we have McKenna as well.

Big call, but I would rather Kiddy in the back 6 then Rich, whilst Kiddy does have some defensive lapses his offence and kicking makes up for that, but I don't believe we can have Rich with his defensive lapses and lack of speed, but extremely unlikely Rich won't be picked. Wilmott showed more than enough and it is time for Payne to be given first crack for 2023.

My back 7
Starc, Andrews, Adams/Gardiner(prefer Adams)
Kiddy, Payne, Wilmott/Answerth
Rich or McKenna

I like the line of Kiddy, Payne, Wlmott, whilst it is inexperienced to some degree, IMO it provides pace and some flair, especially with Wilmott and Kiddy and these three should be picked from the beginning of the year and given some time to gel.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Big call, but I would rather Kiddy in the back 6 then Rich, whilst Kiddy does have some defensive lapses his offence and kicking makes up for that, but I don't believe we can have Rich with his defensive lapses and lack of speed, but extremely unlikely Rich won't be picked. Wilmott showed more than enough and it is time for Payne to be given first crack for 2023.

My back 7
Starc, Andrews, Adams/Gardiner(prefer Adams)
Kiddy, Payne, Wilmott/Answerth
Rich or McKenna

I like the line of Kiddy, Payne, Wlmott, whilst it is inexperienced to some degree, IMO it provides pace and some flair, especially with Wilmott and Kiddy and these three should be picked from the beginning of the year and given some time to gel.

If I was a betting man, Answerth will start in our Best 22 in 2023 (as one of Fages favourite) but as time goes on, I hope Wilmot takes his spot in the side, while McKenna will most likely replace Rich in 2024 providing he doesn’t get homesick and is still at the level he was at Essendon in the past.

Whereas the rest of the lineup in general for 2023 and beyond, I hope Fages and the coaches start managing veteran players much better as it became so obvious at the end of the season that players like Lyons, Rich & Zorko had constant injury niggles and should have been managed and replaced by younger players starving for opportunities throughout the year.

 

[Nunez]

Starce Adams Gardiner
Rich Andrews Coleman
McKenna McCluggage Berry
McInerney Neale Dunkley
Bailey Hipwood Rayner
Gunston Daniher Cameron
Int: Zorko, McCarthy, Ashcroft, Robertson

Next in line: Ah Chee, Lyons, Wilmott, Lohmann

 

[Dalions]

Big call, but I would rather Kiddy in the back 6 then Rich, whilst Kiddy does have some defensive lapses his offence and kicking makes up for that, but I don't believe we can have Rich with his defensive lapses and lack of speed, but extremely unlikely Rich won't be picked. Wilmott showed more than enough and it is time for Payne to be given first crack for 2023.

My back 7
Starc, Andrews, Adams/Gardiner(prefer Adams)
Kiddy, Payne, Wilmott/Answerth
Rich or McKenna

I like the line of Kiddy, Payne, Wlmott, whilst it is inexperienced to some degree, IMO it provides pace and some flair, especially with Wilmott and Kiddy and these three should be picked from the beginning of the year and given some time to gel.

I do feel as though our scoring potential doubles when Kiddy has the ball kicking out of defence as opposed to Rich.
Kiddy is much more likely to take the harder 45 degree attacking kick with Rich much more likely to kick long down the line.
So Kiddy for me has become much more valuable in the back half imo.