First Academy member signed

[Swans120]

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7106/newsid/93755/default.aspx

Lloyd Perris is his name, already playing against 18 yo at the age of 15. Can't wait til the first Academy guy makes his senior debut.

 

[MF]

Jesus christ! Give that boy something to eat.

 

[Dangas]

Jesus christ! Give that boy something to eat.

lol.

 

[legend166]

Next week:

Outs - White

In - Perris

Clearly the better option in the forward line.

 

[Swans120]

Jesus christ! Give that boy something to eat.

He's probs same size as Jetta!

 

[vonn]

oh my god, he is going to be a sprouter. This is so weird - he is younger then me.

Hmm.. Cougar

 

[Dangas]

Bring him in for the match against the Pies, he'd be able to towel up Daisy Thomas!

 

[lemmon]

Just a quick question, dont these boys still have to go into the draft and become free pickings for any club?

 

[TheGong]

Just a quick question, dont these boys still have to go into the draft and become free pickings for any club?

The article mentions him as being a scholarship player and if this is the case the Swans would have first call on him.

This is the last year for the scholarship program and in future academy players will go through the draft. The Swans would be able to preselect academy players similar to father son recruits.

 

[muddybulldog]

This boy can play i have seen it first hand over the past 5 years. He is a real talent.

 

[Skystyler]

I just hope some 18yo thug doesn't take him out off the ball and seriously injure him. Keep your wits about you, kid.

 

[whiteandred]

LLoyd has been travelling along nicely - kicked 3 goals and named among the best (along with his older brother Lachlan!) for St George u/18's today.

BTW, he IS on a scholarship ... this is the last year for scholarships, Swans still have one up their sleeve if they choose to use it.

All of the existing scholarship boys are in reality the inaugural academy members ... in due course other players will be added to each age group of the academy from age 9 to 18, but bad luck for those boys, nice kits, but no ca$h!

 

[lemmon]

The article mentions him as being a scholarship player and if this is the case the Swans would have first call on him.

This is the last year for the scholarship program and in future academy players will go through the draft. The Swans would be able to preselect academy players similar to father son recruits.

Would other clubs be able to institute a similar kind of setup and get first dibs at players as well?

 

[whiteandred]

To help the "new markets", there are 4 academys being set up ... Swans, GWS, Lions & GC17. To be overseen by Mark Browning who was the architect of the Lions Academy, which has been very successful.

They will have the same rules.

No idea what is done in other states.

 

[RMercadi]

Let's all not get too excited by pre-pubescents talent.

Only about 50% of VicMetro under 15's make the U16 VicMetro team. Another 50% drop off by Under 18 and then only about 15% of these get drafted.

So an Under 15 State grade player has a .5 x .5 x .15 = about a 4% chance (4 out of ever 100) chance of even being drafted.

The reason for this, is that many young kids actually peak at around 14 to 15 and do not get any better or grow any taller (but are the best at this age group).
Late developers (the kids who grow 10cm when they are say 16 or 17) are more likely to play AFL

- Jack Watts is a good example of this, apparently , at 18 he is still getting better every week.

Withe due respect to the Sydney leagues, i doubt St george U18 would be patch on APS or TAC U18's - and there are plenty of 15 and 16 year olds running around in these comps in Melbourne.

 

[BarneyBent]

Let's all not get too excited by pre-pubescents talent.

Only about 50% of VicMetro under 15's make the U16 VicMetro team. Another 50% drop off by Under 18 and then only about 15% of these get drafted.

So an Under 15 State grade player has a .5 x .5 x .15 = about a 4% chance (4 out of ever 100) chance of even being drafted.

The reason for this, is that many young kids actually peak at around 14 to 15 and do not get any better or grow any taller (but are the best at this age group).
Late developers (the kids who grow 10cm when they are say 16 or 17) are more likely to play AFL

- Jack Watts is a good example of this, apparently , at 18 he is still getting better every week.

Withe due respect to the Sydney leagues, i doubt St george U18 would be patch on APS or TAC U18's - and there are plenty of 15 and 16 year olds running around in these comps in Melbourne.

Yes, yes, that's all true. But with regards to peaking early, did you see the photo of him in the article? That boy is not playing well because he's just so big, strong and tall. He looks prepubescent!

 

[RMercadi]

Yes, yes, that's all true. But with regards to peaking early, did you see the photo of him in the article? That boy is not playing well because he's just so big, strong and tall. He looks prepubescent!

Very good point - let's hope he grows into something great.

On the same topic - what happened to the talented son of
Chris Langford ??? I heard the Swans and Hawthorn were fighting after him at some stage.

 

[grimlock]

Will Langford, Hawthorn scholarship player

 

[liz]

Let's all not get too excited by pre-pubescents talent.

Only about 50% of VicMetro under 15's make the U16 VicMetro team. Another 50% drop off by Under 18 and then only about 15% of these get drafted.

So an Under 15 State grade player has a .5 x .5 x .15 = about a 4% chance (4 out of ever 100) chance of even being drafted.

The reason for this, is that many young kids actually peak at around 14 to 15 and do not get any better or grow any taller (but are the best at this age group).
Late developers (the kids who grow 10cm when they are say 16 or 17) are more likely to play AFL

- Jack Watts is a good example of this, apparently , at 18 he is still getting better every week.

Withe due respect to the Sydney leagues, i doubt St george U18 would be patch on APS or TAC U18's - and there are plenty of 15 and 16 year olds running around in these comps in Melbourne.

Is this intended as justification for Richmond's decision to invest nothing into the NSW scholarship programme?

Your maths is more than a little suspect. If clubs were just picking players at random from the pool of u15 teams, and then looking the players up again 3 years later, your 4% might be a decent guesstimate. But a) they are selecting them in accordance with specific criteria which - one can reasonably assume - clubs believe indicate which kids are more likely to develop physically and apply themselves; and b) they are investing time and money to help these kids improve.

No-one expects a 100% success rate but I reckon clubs would be hoping for a success rate around 30-40%, at least in terms of being good enough to at least get a year on the rookie list.

 

[whiteandred]

... I wouldn't think that there are that many u/15's playing TAC Cup.

Looking forward to the various National Carnivals coming up this year (u/15 Schools, 16 & 18's) and any reports on how the NSW boys stack up.

btw, 2 of the scholarship boys who played as top-ups for ressies recently seem to have benefited from the experience! ... both bottom age 18's, but being from the "wrong side of town", they don't get a start with GWS in the TAC Cup, so not sure if they will get a go with RAMS this year.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_...ask=DETAIL&articleID=12078543&sectionID=68172

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_...ask=DETAIL&articleID=12136689&sectionID=68172

 

[RMercadi]

Is this intended as justification for Richmond's decision to invest nothing into the NSW scholarship programme?

Your maths is more than a little suspect. If clubs were just picking players at random from the pool of u15 teams, and then looking the players up again 3 years later, your 4% might be a decent guesstimate. But a) they are selecting them in accordance with specific criteria which - one can reasonably assume - clubs believe indicate which kids are more likely to develop physically and apply themselves; and b) they are investing time and money to help these kids improve.

No-one expects a 100% success rate but I reckon clubs would be hoping for a success rate around 30-40%, at least in terms of being good enough to at least get a year on the rookie list.

The 50/50/4 % comes from the AFL interestingly enough. It is from VicMetro stats as well - and this has been the powerhouse of AFL recruiting up until last year when Dandenong decided they were in VicCountry.

There is a website somewhere that shows all of the VicmMetro players and who got drafted - it is surprisingly few.

You are correct in that the recruiters/academy etc. do look out for the potential of kids to grow and mature and they will do better than 4% becuase of this.
I also heard they look at how tall the Mums are - as this is a better indication of a kids height and if he'll grow tall at 17+. Not sure that there is any scientific evidence to prove this though.

 

[whiteandred]

From NSW Combined High School Championships this week;

R/Up Best & Fairest Player of the Carnival - Lloyd Perris - Sydney

 

[RMercadi]

From NSW Combined High School Championships this week;

R/Up Best & Fairest Player of the Carnival - Lloyd Perris - Sydney

Was this AFL or Rugby ?

 

[whiteandred]

AFL ... a pity for him that it wasn't Rugby League ... he could ask for a million a year then!

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Anyone know much about Alex Jalloh? There was a very sad story about his brother on the afl website and there's another story about Alex being racially abused by a trainer after playing in a rugby league grand final.

I'd love to read something about the football ability of this kid, does anyone know anything about what sort of player he is?