Player Watch Fischer McAsey - Steps Away from Football, Not Returning

[Jeffcrowe]

Would rather have Aaron Naughton, Josh Gibcus both pick 9 who showed plenty straight away. I really hope the positive people are correct but I just don't see it in McAsey or Jones or McHenry.

Maybe we just don't select very well.

Those 3 are definitely 3 of our weaker picks given evidence unfortunately

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We had success with Talia and Phil Davis. I think the crows just thought take the best KPD available and he'll be right in our system. How wrong they were...

Yep and throwing them in into a bottom side in their first year in a sink or swim

Now we know how melb failed to draft / develop a line of players over the years … and other clubs too

It’s where the ‘play only kids’ brigade doesn’t get the full story …. It can be great for them but also ruin them depending on circumstance and need to be surrounded by some senior players

Unfort Brown , sloane , M Crouch in particular aren’t great senior players these days

 

[George CantStandYa]

“I was really worried about him playing that key back role, I just didn’t think he had enough agility, athleticism, spunk about him (and) hard-nosed competitiveness for that role.”

Thankfully for the Crows, Jordon Butts and Nick Murray have emerged and held down the key defensive roles for the majority of the past 18 months, supporting Tom Doedee.

However, the club has still conceded the fifth-most points in 2022.

Despite questioning McAsey’s attributes, Rendell understands the decision to draft the youngster with their first pick at the time.

“They were losing all their key backs, they really had no one. (Butts) has been one of the great gets, and Nick Murray, they got them for (nothing) and they’re holding down key back roles,” he continued.

“They didn’t expect that, so they were probably spooked into going that key back at that pick because they probably thought, ‘Well, we desperately need one, and he’s the best one around’, and he probably was at the time.

“(But) I probably would have gone a different way at the time.”

“I didn’t have him there”: Former AFL recruiter questions Crows’ top draft pick

"I was really doubtful about him as a key back."

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Only reason we needed one was because we let Keath walk for nothing despite developing him and only get a couple of years out of him.

w***ers

 

[maxlilly]

Only reason we needed one was because we let Keath walk for nothing despite developing him and only get a couple of years out of him.

w***ers

Talia was crippled, we got rid of Hartigan and Keath and had no one else, terrible list management
It's just lucky that Butts has worked out so well for us otherwise our backline would be a complete mess

 

[Big Crow]

What really screwed us that year was the gifting of the bullcrap PP to Gold Coast to net them Rowell and Anderson at picks 1 & 2. Melbourne seemed to be wedded to Luke Jackson (and what a pick that is turning out to be) and yet again we got stuck with the first pick of the next tier talent. Had GC not got that PP, Noah Anderson would be running around in our midfield now instead of McAsey and Pedlar stuck playing SANFL

It’s the (un)holy AFC trinity of being screwed by an arbitrary decision from the league, a sprinkling of bad luck, and the club stuffing up. Iconic Adelaide Football Club.

In terms of the draft pick, history says you can get good key defenders later in the draft or in the rookie draft. Regardless of the player McAsey had or hasn’t turned out to be, it is a bad pick at #6.

 

[Geoffa32]

Only reason we needed one was because we let Keath walk for nothing despite developing him and only get a couple of years out of him.

w***ers

Should never have let Keath go.

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[Sanders]

Those comments are from Matt Rendell who was at Collingwood at the time, and wasn't even working on the draft but on scouting for future drafts. Collingwood also didn't have a pick until much later. I doubt Rendell put much/any time into McAsey and all his comments are just hindsighted genius.

I’m sure, it’s not like the guy had an eye for talent or anything

 

[Sanders]

Only reason we needed one was because we let Keath walk for nothing despite developing him and only get a couple of years out of him.

w***ers

Spot on

 

[MRB37]

If anyone dares go back to watch the U18 nationals that year you’d say he had most traits covered but lacked some speed / agility

It looked like his reading of ball in flight and positioning might overcome any lack of speed / agility

The personality stuff is hard to see without doing the in depth background work clubs do …. So maybe that’s where our recruiters went most wrong IMO , can that change with maturity ? Not sure

I also remember 80% + of the board wanting Dylan Stephen’s that year , he would have been no better as a pick

This worries me that it's supposed to be one of his strengths cause I've seen him on multiple times absolutely whiff massively on spoiling a ball or punching a loose ball out of a contest.

 

[MRB37]

Talia was crippled, we got rid of Hartigan and Keath and had no one else, terrible list management
It's just lucky that Butts has worked out so well for us otherwise our backline would be a complete mess

I think Talia was the one that surprised them. Let Keath go because "Hey, we got Tals/Hartigan and Butts developing". Then Tals gets hurt, but you don't want to give Hartigan 3 years to stay and it's ok because we can draft McAsey to fill in for him and Talia will be back to fill the void. Then they realise Tals is f'd, so gotta draft Murray before the season starts so you have an extra body.

 

[MRB37]

Wouldn't we all .....Gibcus was a favourite of mine, in the Draft ....but this is where "need" often overshadows "talent"

ESS needed a big bodied mid .....surprise surprise ...they picked Hobbs

NORTH now copping flak for choosing Will Phillips over Logan McDonald ....given they wanted to build the midfield first ....they're now lamenting a shortage of KPF's

I have wondered if North skipped on McDonald not because they didn't rate him, just that they were terrified there was no chance he'd stay. So you just come up with the "we're building from the midfield first" stuff to justify it.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

This worries me that it's supposed to be one of his strengths cause I've seen him on multiple times absolutely whiff massively on spoiling a ball or punching a loose ball out of a contest.

Confidence and a sense of belonging can make a difference

He was a key component of that team and grew in each game

 

[MRB37]

Confidence and a sense of belonging can make a difference

He was a key component of that team and grew in each game

I'd hope you don't need confidence to not play like you need to be wearing prescription eyewear.

 

[Scorpus]

Only reason we needed one was because we let Keath walk for nothing despite developing him and only get a couple of years out of him.

w***ers

And we completely botched the contract negotiation for Lever opening the door for Melbourne's much larger offer

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'd hope you don't need confidence to not play like you need to be wearing prescription eyewear.

If you saw him play in that side he certainly didn’t need that

In terms of now a different story

 

[davos44]

Its easy to look at our pick and think "how did we get this pick so wrong?"
If you look at the draft, all of the top players for 180cm midfielders (except for Jackson who was always going to be top 5). From memory I think Dylan Stephens

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Dylan Stephens

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.7

4star

CL

0.0

1star

was our top choice but Sydney got in first. If we picked up a 180CM mid in that draft we would have been laughed at pretty much with Crouch x2 and Sloane running around.

Perhaps McAsey looked great against the rest of the under 18s because there wasn't much talent?

De Koenig looks like the star of defenders in that draft but its not hard to look like a megastar with our F50 entry quality.

I dont know, but were not the only club to torch a top pick I suppose, Carlton have had 3 x as many and have destroyed several coaching careers with their list.

 

[Crow till I die]

I have wondered if North skipped on McDonald not because they didn't rate him, just that they were terrified there was no chance he'd stay. So you just come up with the "we're building from the midfield first" stuff to justify it.

But surely the same logic would then have to apply to JHF, yet they went for him.

I thought they liked phillips from a long way out?

 

[MRB37]

Re: drafting McAsey at 6

 

[fortunatecrow]

Should never have let Keath go.

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When we let Keath go both Doedee and Talia were healthy. The decision made sense then but with hindsight it looks horrible

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

So many revisionist experts. All draft previews had him top 10. We were desperate for a key back. Rendell was not even involved in draft recruiting at Collingwood that year and their first pick wasn’t until pick 40 anyway so they aren’t going to waste much effort on a guy like McAsey.

 

[George CantStandYa]

So many revisionist experts. All draft previews had him top 10. We were desperate for a key back. Rendell was not even involved in draft recruiting at Collingwood that year and their first pick wasn’t until pick 40 anyway so they aren’t going to waste much effort on a guy like McAsey.

Previews by who and based on what? Our interest?

But I don’t know, it’s not like the job of a recruiter to make good picks and given how slow he is with no mobility, that should have discounted him from top 10 consideration.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Previews by who and based on what? Our interest?

But I don’t know, it’s not like the job of a recruiter to make good picks and given how slow he is with no mobility, that should have discounted him from top 10 consideration.

Google any 2019 draft preview article. All have him too 10. Most had him coming to us.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Google any 2019 draft preview article. All have him too 10. Most had him coming to us.

Because of our interest! Which turns out was misguided

 

[MRB37]

So many revisionist experts. All draft previews had him top 10. We were desperate for a key back. Rendell was not even involved in draft recruiting at Collingwood that year and their first pick wasn’t until pick 40 anyway so they aren’t going to waste much effort on a guy like McAsey.

The fact we traded back from 4 to 6 and then tried to trade back again to Carlton's spot (at 9 I think) meant we would have been fairly certain no one else rated him where we had him.

 

[Redleg Crow]

He was ranked 10th, 6th and 11th (these are not their mock drafts, but rankings)
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