Flag Burning

NICK THE PIE MAN · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
There's a lot of flag burners
Who've got too much freedom
I want to make it legal for policemen to beat 'em
Cos there's limits to our liberties
At least I hope and pray that there are
Cos those liberal freaks go too faaaaaar

"What the hell is this?"

"It's one of those crappy 70's throwbacks that appeals to generation Xers"

"We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks a little"

Docker_Brat · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Porthos
Interesting trend of this thread - why is it South Australians showing the most liberal views?

It's the Dunstan era all over again.

Docker_Brat · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN
"What the hell is this?"

"It's one of those crappy 70's throwbacks that appeals to generation Xers"

"We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks a little"

Kind of prophetic with what is coming.

Portia · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
It's the Dunstan era all over again.

Maybe Monarto will work this time around.

Adrian Shelton · Mar 6, 2003

Methinks a few people are getting privleges and rights a little confused, hope a few names have gone into the'never to be given a job' book which i'm sure exists somewhere! hopefully a few handy pictures for when face-recognition technology becomes commonplace too.

dancingdoggie17 · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by daicos4ever
Sorry, I didn't realise the Armed forces are going to delibrately bomb civilian buildings

i will say it again:

wars kill, ans Bush is calling it a war. if he was calling it an ASSASINATION then you would think that noone else would be killed. He's calling it a war.

No matter what you call them, these people will be killed. classing them as this faceless "collateral damage" (sp?) doesn't mean they are not people. just like all of us here (although maybe not as ignorant as you) they have feelings and just because their country has a history of war doesn't mean they don't feel pain.

by the way, watch dimensions on the ABC, next thursday.

cornelia · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Adrian Shelton
Methinks a few people are getting privleges and rights a little confused, hope a few names have gone into the'never to be given a job' book which i'm sure exists somewhere! hopefully a few handy pictures for when face-recognition technology becomes commonplace too.

Methinks a few people are getting democracy & dictatorship a little confused.

In a democracy you ARE allowed freedom of speech, which allows you to speak out & protest against your governments decisions, a dictatorship means you have to blindly follow the government line, or be persecuted, ie: never to be given a job, etc.

daicos4ever · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
i will say it again:

wars kill, ans Bush is calling it a war. if he was calling it an ASSASINATION then you would think that noone else would be killed. He's calling it a war.

No matter what you call them, these people will be killed. classing them as this faceless "collateral damage" (sp?) doesn't mean they are not people. just like all of us here (although maybe not as ignorant as you) they have feelings and just because their country has a history of war doesn't mean they don't feel pain.

by the way, watch dimensions on the ABC, next thursday.

Mudslinging does not an argument make.

Nobody has ever said collatoral damage is killing nameless faces, nor did I. I had it put to me that Bush is out to delibrately kill innocents. People die in war. People died in WWI. Innocents died in WWII at the hands of both sides, but would you say they died (at the hands of the Allies) wihout justification? Yes, it's all unfair, people have the right to live without having a bomb hanging over their heads, but the fact of the matter is innocents die during times of conflict. Accidently. Accept it.

It is good to see you treasure human life so much, possibly more than I do, but don't let it cloud your judgement. Innocents died 60 years ago to get rid of a mad man. History may be repeating itself. Don't think I don't have feelings as well, I hope there are minimal civilian casualties, but it will happen, and I've accepted it. Just like I've accepted that there is going to be a war and there is a good reason there is going to be.

Adrian Shelton · Mar 6, 2003

There are right ways and wrong ways to get a point across in an issue like this, someone elses wrong way got me riled up which bought a 'wrong' type of response from me. It's only fair if one side of thr argument can tread on a few toes, then so can the other.

PS
hope you smiled for the camera!

Dave · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by cornelia
Methinks a few people are getting democracy & dictatorship a little confused.

In a democracy you ARE allowed freedom of speech, which allows you to speak out & protest against your governments decisions, a dictatorship means you have to blindly follow the government line, or be persecuted, ie: never to be given a job, etc.

Methinks you've confused freedom of speech with the freedom to say anything you like. Freedom of speech has limits. Some people here believe those limits are too liberal. If where we live is such a democracy are they not entitled to air their opinions?

Jars: You may say it's only a piece of cloth. Others would say it's a peice of cloth that many have fought and died for. Can you understand how they may view flag burning as just a tad disrespectful?

skilts · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Dave
Methinks you've confused freedom of speech with the freedom to say anything you like. Freedom of speech has limits. Some people here believe those limits are too liberal. If where we live is such a democracy are they not entitled to air their opinions?

Jars: You may say it's only a piece of cloth. Others would say it's a peice of cloth that many have fought and died for. Can you understand how they may view flag burning as just a tad disrespectful?

All this over a coloured rag.

Tell me Dave, which version of the five different designs used by Australia in the past 110 years do you think everyone died for? If it were so precious, you'd think its design would have been inviolate. If the elected government hasn't thought its design worth preserving, why should we?

Portia · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Dave
Jars: You may say it's only a piece of cloth. Others would say it's a peice of cloth that many have fought and died for. Can you understand how they may view flag burning as just a tad disrespectful?

Sure. Being disrespectful isn't a crime though, last time I checked. One man's disrespect is anothers way of life.

gPhonque · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by daicos4ever
Don't think I don't have feelings as well, I hope there are minimal civilian casualties, but it will happen, and I've accepted it.

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

"I've accepted it."

What do YOU have to accept?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read ... nearly...

If you have, as you say, "accepted" the fact that there are going to be civilian casualties (all for the sake of oil), maybe you should jump on a plane and holiday in Baghdad for the next year or two.

cornelia · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by gPhonque
!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

"I've accepted it."

What do YOU have to accept?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read ... nearly... /B]

I wouldn't say ridiculous, I would say more callous, but then that is the effect little johnny's attitude is having on some sections of the Aussie population.

Dave · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Porthos
Sure. Being disrespectful isn't a crime though, last time I checked. One man's disrespect is anothers way of life.

So you can understand people being upset about it?

Dave · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by skilts
Tell me Dave, which version of the five different designs used by Australia in the past 110 years do you think everyone died for? If it were so precious, you'd think its design would have been inviolate. If the elected government hasn't thought its design worth preserving, why should we?

Did I say I thought that? What I thought I said was that some people feel that way and I can understand them being upset at others burning something they feel strongly about.

knuckles · Mar 6, 2003

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
It's the Dunstan era all over again.

Guess its time to get me a safari suit then.

Mr Eagle · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by gPhonque
(all for the sake of oil)

Oil is one of many issues involved, and primarily is so from the US perspective. It would be nice if things were so black and white (because then the argument for no war would be an open and shut case), but things aren't.

mantis · Mar 7, 2003

Well I don't care if it is about oil. what upsets me is the fact that a lot of innocent Iraqi civilians are going to die, doesn't seem fair especially since they didn't vote Saddam in, yet they are going to die anyway.
All because other countries want to get rid of their leader.

Dipper · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by Mr Eagle
Oil is one of many issues involved, and primarily is so from the US perspective. It would be nice if things were so black and white (because then the argument for no war would be an open and shut case), but things aren't.

This oil thing is slightly misleading, it's just come out that France & Russia two of the countries who are leading the anti war coalition have strong interests in Iraqi oil & therefore have a vested interest in averting war.
We had this during the last Gulf war that it was about oil from a US point of view but if that was the case surely they would have got rid of Saddam & appointed some sort of puppet government.

So personally I don't think the war is about oil as far as the US is concerned though it's not to say that I'm in favour of it.

Mr Eagle · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by mantis
what upsets me is the fact that a lot of innocent Iraqi civilians are going to die . . . All because other countries want to get rid of their leader.

As opposed to the same innocent Iraqi civilians who will die if they speak out against that leader, or who starve to death because that leader funds his war machine and his luxury palaces before trying to relieve the country's widespread poverty?

I may consider Bush a ****wit, and I may find the attitudes of some Americans at this time downright pathetic, but Saddam's regime is on another level of 'deplorable' entirely...

Mr Eagle · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by DIPPER
So personally I don't think the war is about oil as far as the US is concerned

Though I'm sure US companies would love to 'help' Iraq increase its oil production (just sign here, here, and here), this is fairly true. OPEC still has plenty of clout, and a 'liberated' Iraq would still be better friends with OPEC than with the US I'm guessing.

myee8 · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by dancingdoggie17
firstly, being at the prostests in melbourne i think it is unfair and downright sacremungering to only shopw the bad points. In melboune there were NO ARRESTS & NO DAMMAGE. All the students go together and voiced our opinions..that was all. and the media focuses on sydney and perth!

secondly, they have a right to voice their opinions...free DEMOCRATIC country, and if people aren't allowed to criticise a government it's a dictatorship!! It's only a bloody flag!

They should be lucky that the flag they burnt represents that free democratic country they are living in.

Docker_Brat · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by Porthos
Maybe Monarto will work this time around.

Damn. They gave that area to Norwood.

Docker_Brat · Mar 7, 2003

Originally posted by Dave
You may say it's only a piece of cloth. Others would say it's a peice of cloth that many have fought and died for.

Fighting and dying for a piece of material would be utterly stupid.

Fighting and dying for freedom and way of live would make a bit more sense.

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