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Originally posted by Dr.Grouse
I can't believe all this hysterical brouhaha over a piece of rag.

It's the height of hypocrisy for any God-fearing blue-eyed capitalist to complain about someone burning a flag.

If you truly believe in our apple-pie free-enterprise system and the concept of private property, then you've got to agree that if I go to a shop and BUY an Australian flag with MY money, then I've got the RIGHT to burn it.

Argue against that, you pack of whingeing jingoists ...

GO ON !

Argue against that !

You can't can you?

Because there is NO VALID ARGUMENT against what I've said.

SO GET OVER IT

And find something a bit more important to get upset over ...

... like innocent people dying, maybe.
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The reason why I am distraught about the burning of a flag is because it seems to me the statement of burning your nations flag is NOT indicative of a general disillusionment with government policy. Rather it is an expression of active sociopathy towards every family member, friend, neighbour and fellow countryperson.
 
Originally posted by gPhonque
The war was about oil then, and is now.

Saddam had biological weapons at that time, and the US knew it.

They also knew that their forces had no protection against those weapons.

Any direct threat to Saddams position in power would have undoubtedly resulted in a biological weapons retaliation.

So they drove him out of Kuwait and let him be.

Skip forward 12 years.....

US and Allied forces now have protection against these weapons.

The war is still about oil. The only difference being the US are now prepared to take it all the way.
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Originally posted by gbear
The war was waged after Iraq invaded Qwait.
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Did you even read my post d|ckhead?

You're definately leading the race so far for the "Most Pointless and Utterly Stupid Post of the Year" award.

Not to mention the fact that you screwed up the spelling of "Kuwait."

Get back to school.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
The reason why I am distraught about the burning of a flag is because it seems to me the statement of burning your nations flag is NOT indicative of a general disillusionment with government policy. Rather it is an expression of active sociopathy towards every family member, friend, neighbour and fellow countryperson.
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No it's not.

It's the burning of an inanimate piece of rag with stars and a few fancy patterns on it.

As long as it's not done during a fire ban I don't see the problem.
 

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Originally posted by Dr.Grouse
No it's not.

It's the burning of an inanimate piece of rag with stars and a few fancy patterns on it.

As long as it's not done during a fire ban I don't see the problem.
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Err ... yes it is ... that's why its burnt. If it wasn't, there'd be no point in burning it. You could just turn your back on it like that seppo sheila. But no, prefer to burn? Why? Obviously because of the statement it makes. Statement that says "anti-whatever its-cool-to-be-anti ratbag".

Major public figures like John Williamson are VEHEMENTLY against the use of that flag to represent Australia. You'd think, per your opinion, the most appropriate thing for them to do would be to burn the flag to show their contempt. But they don't.

Let me repeat : THEY HATE THE FLAG, and they don't burn it. Why not?

Basic respect. Something there ain't enough of goin' around these 'ere parts. No control, no order. Inmates running the asylum.
 
It is ironic how the argument has gone around to what the flag actually represents so that the burning of it in protest to the 'going to war' seems to have been no use whatsoever.

If the whole country actually had consensus about our national flag then there would have been more constructive methods of protest. But seeing as it was school kids who don't seem to get taught history anymore and certainly not much Australian history, then it absolutely seems to be a non issue.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer

The reason why I am distraught about the burning of a flag is because it seems to me the statement of burning your nations flag is NOT indicative of a general disillusionment with government policy. Rather it is an expression of active sociopathy towards every family member, friend, neighbour and fellow countryperson.
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The burning of the flag is the ultimate fredom of expression. The burning of the flag can be seen in one of 2 lights: either as an anacharists statement and they have no repsect for anything or as a sign that a person is pushed to an extreme that they no longer believe in what the country is standing for and want to show their disgust.

I personally have no problem with flag burning it is their money that they have spent on the flag so they can burn it. i would also lend a protester my lighter to light it if I believed that therir reasons had a logical base.
 
Originally posted by Slax
The burning of the flag is the ultimate fredom of expression. The burning of the flag can be seen in one of 2 lights: either as an anacharists statement and they have no repsect for anything or as a sign that a person is pushed to an extreme that they no longer believe in what the country is standing for and want to show their disgust.

I personally have no problem with flag burning it is their money that they have spent on the flag so they can burn it. i would also lend a protester my lighter to light it if I believed that therir reasons had a logical base.
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Yeah but you'll burn denim, Slax, you have no scruples at all.
 
Can't believe that people would want treason charges pinned on somebody for burning a bit of material .... that is shallow symbolism of the highest order.........probably called for by the same people quite content to let refugee kids sit and rot in a detention centre.....after all, they're not really US, are they, despite what that chunderous jingoistic "I Am Australian" crap says.
 
Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer

Yeah but you'll burn denim, Slax, you have no scruples at all.
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Maybe but I didn't burn my Fitzroy jumper after the Richmond match in '96 when other were at the top of the race. I just ripped of the AFL logo and burned that.
 

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Originally posted by Rupert Holmes
Can't believe that people would want treason charges pinned on somebody for burning a bit of material .... that is shallow symbolism of the highest order.........probably called for by the same people quite content to let refugee kids sit and rot in a detention centre.....after all, they're not really US, are they, despite what that chunderous jingoistic "I Am Australian" crap says.
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Of course they should be charged with treason! You commit treason, you should be charged with treason. Geezus. Why do you think someone guilty of treason should not be charged with treason?

Shallow symbolism? How about burning the flag. Sounds more like shallow education. Although if it was a high school age student, their parents are the ones who should cop the treason charges. At that age, perhaps they don't have the life growth.

Argue and protest against the war all you like. I have. But don't burn the flag.
 
Originally posted by Jars458
A silly statement based on one post about flag burning

Just cause you disagree doesn't mean the opposing side hasn't got scruples.
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You missed that boat by a couple of buoys, jars.
 
Originally posted by Slax
Maybe but I didn't burn my Fitzroy jumper after the Richmond match in '96 when other were at the top of the race. I just ripped of the AFL logo and burned that.
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Ok, one scruple :)
 
Originally posted by Slax
I believe I have more than one. Give me a few days and I should be able to come up with one or two. :D
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It'll be 'count Slax's scruples' night at the Astor this evening, eh?
 

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Originally posted by Mobbenfuhrer
The reason why I am distraught about the burning of a flag is because it seems to me the statement of burning your nations flag is NOT indicative of a general disillusionment with government policy. Rather it is an expression of active sociopathy towards every family member, friend, neighbour and fellow countryperson.
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What he saud.
 
Originally posted by Kenny_01
Myee, I have read many of your posts and you are racist. Simple as that.
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Show me proof - I have NEVER said i hate black people, people with towells on their heads, or anything like that. At worst i am very much on the prowar side. Nothing racist about that right? Be more specific. Like i said before, i have friends who are white, black, asian, middle-easters, you name it. I am not prejiduced against anyone.
 
Originally posted by myee8
Show me proof - I have NEVER said i hate black people, people with towells on their heads, or anything like that. At worst i am very much on the prowar side. Nothing racist about that right? Be more specific. Like i said before, i have friends who are white, black, asian, middle-easters, you name it. I am not prejiduced against anyone.
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You don't have to hate specific groups to be racist. If you judge people because of their background, then that is racism. You judge people from Iraq, don't you? Do you want me to go and find old posts? I can if you want.
 
Originally posted by myee8
For starter, i never said i wanted to kill "anyone who wears a towel on their head" as you so put it. This to me suggests i a racists and just want to kill all those types, which isn't the case. I am not racist as i am friends with a Sikh person, one who wears a towell over their head. I mean why do the muslim and islam people always say America, Britain and Australia is against muslims? I thought it was Iraqis and al-qaeda people the coalition is willing, yet people are not thinking this.

With your point about refusing to fight, isn't this a democratic country, hence you are allowed to now fight if you choose? Or is it a case of having to fight when you are told. I thought it was the former, leading to my conclusion that these soldiers are choosing to fight.
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I'm fully aware YOU don't want to kill people, towel-headed or not. The point I'm making is that people who are advocates of this war seem happy to have someone else do their dirty work for them, while they cheer from the safety of the bleachers, several thousand miles away.

If you are so committed to the righteousness of this war, you should have no alternative but to enlist. Otherwise, you're just flapping your gums.
 

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