Flag with Richo or Multiple without?

[coke_zero]

that is not an option tigerbelly

 

[cormick]

If it was one with Richo could we win the one then not win it the next year but still be up around the top four and every now and then win a flag.

Yes, I'm suprised no one has picked up on this; I didn't say we'd be shit the next year or two, we just wouldn't win one in the three proceeding years. After that it's open slather again. So which would you prefer?

 

[SolidTiger]

1 flag with Richo would be better than two without. But three flags with without Richo would be better than 1 with him.

 

[Wallaby]

Richo will go down as a Richmond legend, possibly above Bartlett, Hart, Bourke etc and nearly equal to Jack Dyer.

Look, I know the internet's only been around for 10 years or so, and there was no football played before you were born, but that is just silly.

Richo has been a bloody good player in a shit team most of his career - and for much of that time other clubs supporters laughed at us for having him as our pin-up boy because he WASN'T THAT GOOD. You could argue that he was never the best player at the club during his time (he has only won 1 B&F - which is voted on by club selectors and coaches - they may know more than internet fanboys).
The AFL players in their annual survey always voted Wayne Campbell as a better player than Richo. But we know better and we all hated Wayne Campbell.

He's a cult hero - fabulous mark, shit kick, great trier, great stuffer-upper. Yes, he is a club legend. But he is nowhere near our greatest players. He would struggle to make our best-ever team.

He's a fan favourite (deservedly) - I've seen him win many games off his own boot. But some perspective, please.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Look, I know the internet's only been around for 10 years or so, and there was no football played before you were born, but that is just silly.

Richo has been a bloody good player in a shit team most of his career - and for much of that time other clubs supporters laughed at us for having him as our pin-up boy because he WASN'T THAT GOOD. You could argue that he was never the best player at the club during his time (he has only won 1 B&F - which is voted on by club selectors and coaches - they may know more than internet fanboys).
The AFL players in their annual survey always voted Wayne Campbell as a better player than Richo. But we know better and we all hated Wayne Campbell.

He's a cult hero - fabulous mark, shit kick, great trier, great stuffer-upper. Yes, he is a club legend. But he is nowhere near our greatest players. He would struggle to make our best-ever team.

He's a fan favourite (deservedly) - I've seen him win many games off his own boot. But some perspective, please.

Yep...truth hurts , but there it is...well said...

 

[cormick]

Well he's in our starting 18 of the team of the century isn't he?
If you can find a better option for HFF post-2000, then he can be moved to the bench. Before then, he's in our best team.

And do you think B+F's are that great a way to determine who's the best player?
Foley was our best player last year, Richo won. Richo was our best this year, Deledio won.
Back in one of Bowden's winning years Richo was seen to have the vastly superior season to any Richmond counterparts and could only manage second...
Just goes to show...

 

[Wallaby]

And do you think B+F's are that great a way to determine who's the best player?
Foley was our best player last year, Richo won. Richo was our best this year, Deledio won.

I agree Richo has probably been our best player over the past two years combined. And, yes, B&Fs are the best way to judge a player's' worth - they are judged by people who have an intimate knowledge of how the team is supposed to play and each players role in it. In my opinion, the greatest individual honour a player can win is the B&F in a premiership year.

There have been many great Richmond players in the past who didn't get the ultimate accolade of a premiership - Roy Wright, Wayne Campbell, Ron Branton, Bill Morris, Des Rowe, Matthew Knights, Neville Crowe. Didn't make them any less champions - I would argue that they are all as great a legend as Richo - some (eg. Roy Wright) greater players.

I'm not saying Richo is not a champ - I'm just trying to point out that the history of the mighty Richmond Football Club is 100 years old in the VFL/AFL and another 23 prior to that in the VFA (Any idea how many times we were VFA premiers? Twice - plus once we refused to play in the GF because we objected to the umpire. Go Tiges).

In the 80s Dale Weightman carried the club every bit as much or more than Richo has done in the 90s-00s. Probably with less support.

In the 50s it was Roy Wright, Des Rowe, and Ron Branton - great players in shit teams. We went from a premiership in 1943 to fourth in 1947 to no finals appearances at all until 1967. At least in the last 28 years we've made the finals twice.

If you just want to concentrate on what you have seen, and the replays available on the Grand Final Marathon, OK - but then avoid making statements like 'Greatest ever', 'Tiger Legend' etc until you have bothered to learn a bit about the history of the club you support.

I apologise if you feel that these statements are a bit harsh - they are not directed at any one particular individual, but as a result of a build-up of frustration from continually reading crap written by internet fanboys who don't recognise anything before last Tuesday.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

No one's saying he's not a good player, great player even, but as the marsupial is saying we need perspective. People need to remember that not all of the reasons he's been the main focus and an icon of our club for so long are good ones.

 

[cormick]

No one's saying he's not a good player, great player even, but as the marsupial is saying we need perspective. People need to remember that not all of the reasons he's been the main focus and an icon of our club for so long are good ones.

Yeah I realise that (and the above post), I agree he's not equal to playing-wise, to Bourke, Dyer, Hart and Bartlett, but I think it was harsh to say "he may not even be in our best 22 of all time" or whatever the quote was...

As for Wright; never saw him, but I've heard he was a hard-working "plodder", from a Richmond fan too. I know he won 2 brownlows, but from what I've heard, he wasn't worth one, let alone both.

Vic Thorpe, though, should be seen in that above group of 4 legends of RFC. He could possibly be ou best player. I'm gonna find out more about him when I get a bit of time, to see if he really was as good as I've heard...

 

[Wallaby]

The thing about Roy Wright - he was acclaimed great by other than just Richmond people (even if they were umpires!).
There's not too many dud dual Brownlow medallists - (well, maybe Peter Moore).

Agree about Thorp - absolute champion - twice 'Champion of The Colony' - the pre-1924 Brownlow - as a full back!

Our club has a fantastic history - well worth looking into.

 

[Pie eyed]

Richo's a legend.
Just watched him on ST.
He looks like he has another 5 years in him. Perennially young.

 

[hawks0808]

What would you prefer; a flag with Richo, but only the one,

or

Multiple flags without Richo, say a three-peat?

Tough, I know.

I'd take the one with Richo.
He deserves it more than any of us!

Try making the finals first mate, Richo will be lucky to be around by the time the Tigers make a grand final, cant see it happening for ?????? Nup just can see it at all actually!