Formula 1

[PAFC66]

I'm currently trying to workout round 1 of the footy and going to the F1s in Melbourne. Proving difficult. God I wish it was in Adelaide. Instead we get local horseshit like the supercars.

Do people still go to the f1s?

 

[PAFC66]

Everyone in F1 loved the Adelaide street circuit because it was technically challenging.

The Melbourne circuit is a bland sterile cookie cutter. Just like the city really.

Still better cookie cutters here.

 

[Lagooner]

Everyone in F1 loved the Adelaide street circuit because it was technically challenging.

The Melbourne circuit is a bland sterile cookie cutter. Just like the city really.

It’s a pretty bad circuit really, just lots of sweeping straights and evenly-spaced corners. The Adelaide circuit is more like a obstacle course, chicanes into a long corner series into straights into hairpins, it’s a much greater range of challenges. Lots more opportunity for overtaking too.

 

[Doctor Feel]

It’s a pretty bad circuit really, just lots of sweeping straights and evenly-spaced corners. The Adelaide circuit is more like a obstacle course, chicanes into a long corner series into straights into hairpins, it’s a much greater range of challenges. Lots more opportunity for overtaking too.

The huge straight it had was/is great. Particularly in the age of DRS.

 

[StartTheCarr]

Don't get me wrong, Piquet was a phenomenal driver, and I can see what you mean by "a more complete set of skills". I don't necessarily agree/disagree with that statement, by I can see the logic behind it.



Around the outside with opposite lock, unbelievable racing!

you forgot to mention that senna was driving a piece of shit vs a good car.

Senna was and still is the greatest actual driver ever.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

Correct from 1985 to 1995 editions. Melbourne businessman and petrol head Ron Walker was determined to get it to Melbourne so he and new Victorian premier Jeff Kennett made Bernie Ecclestone an offer he couldn't refuse. Walker loved motor racing had been Mayor of Melbourne was in charge of Melbourne's 1996 bid for the Olympics that lost to Atlanta, and then saw arch rival Sydney win 2000 Olympics. So he saw this as an important event for Melbourne to host and not let Sydney get ahead in the events game.

Ayrton Senna was extremely popular in Adelaide. He won it twice, usually won pole position but the early years his cars wouldn't make it to the end. He used to get in early and would do things around town including spend a day flying model planes at the secondary airport at Pooraka. There is a plaque near the old race track dedicated to Senna.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...k/news-story/168a6c361c4367fe00be1e4220c5f447

The last 4 years the GP was here, a mate of mine and I organised a corporate tent where we were able to organise our own food and booze. One proviso was that we stocked some CUB products but we were able to have pretty much what we wanted.

It certainly kept the costs right down for the 4 days and no one went thirsty or hungry.

Our tent was in the SAJC jockey club car park area on Wakefield St., just down from the C9 castle.

For the last event, we decided we would try and get it “sponsored”. We organised with the F1 office to have our signage as “Ken Barnett 15+ Sun Packs”.

On the last day, we took to the sign with some white paint and it simply read Kennett Sucks. It certainly attracted a lot of attention and a C9 cameraman came by and filmed it but I don’t recall it ever going to air.

 

[Lagooner]

The huge straight it had was/is great. Particularly in the age of DRS.

The slower corner section leading in sets it up really well too, keeping everyone together a bit to facilitate the drag race towards the hairpin. DRS would’ve worked great here. There’s almost no point having DRS in Melbourne because the straights just aren’t long enough.

 

[G3TWOTYAD3S3RV]

This thread has gone off topic again.

 

[MitchIn3D]

This thread has gone off topic again.

Yeah guys, stop talking about F1 and continue with the rampant speculation!

#redbullconfirmed

 

[Arthur Dunger]

'Losing' the F1's is one of the best things that has ever happened to Adelaide.

 

[Suit]

you forgot to mention that senna was driving a piece of shit vs a good car.

The Lotus 98T wasn't shit. It certainly was no McLaren MP4-30.

Saying that, and without a shaddow of a doubt, Piquet's FW11 was easily the superior car.

Senna was and still is the greatest actual driver ever.

That, we can agree on!

Senna = GOAT

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

"Greatest of all time" is controvertial in Brazil. People here are divided between Ayrton Senna and Nelson Piquet.

Senna = GOAT

I find it funny when people just straight up say Senna is the GOAT and just ignore this guy...

Schumacher, without doubt is the best person to ever get behind a steering wheel.

 

[GremioPower]

I find it funny when people just straight up say Senna is the GOAT and just ignore this guy...

Schumacher, without doubt is the best person to ever get behind a steering wheel.

My wife is Schummy's groupie. Schumacher is a legend like Fangio, Farina, Ascari — those guys supposed to have existed only in the Age of Myth. Good call!

 

[Macca19]

Senna no doubt the quickest of all time.

I was always a Prost & Mansell fan though. Prost should have had 5 champs but was robbed of the 88 world championship due to the idiotic point system at the time which saw Senna win the championship despite Prost scoring 11 more points than him

 

[Lagooner]

'Losing' the F1's is one of the best things that has ever happened to Adelaide.

Why do you say that? I mean how did we benefit from losing it? It can’t be an environmental or convenience gain since we replaced it immediately with a pretty similar type of event.

 

[StartTheCarr]

Losing the F1's to Melbourne was not good in any way. It put Adelaide on the world map which is actually a good thing. The supercars puts Adelaide on the Bogan travel itinerary.

 

[tribey]

Prost should have had 5 champs but was robbed of the 88 world championship due to the idiotic point system at the time which saw Senna win the championship despite Prost scoring 11 more points than him

"Only the best 11 results counted towards the championship"

Prost didn't finish lower than 2nd all year - 7 wins, 7 seconds, 2 retirements.

Senna: 8 wins, 3 seconds, 1 fourth, 1 sixth, 1 tenth, 1 retirement, 1 DSQ.

What a freaking farce.

 

[LFC2010]

All the championships Senna won, i still rate his debut in the 84 Monaco GP (in the torrential downpour) as one his best drives ever.

I kind of hope one day we'll get it back, especially now we'll have the track at the Tailem Bend circuit.
I still haven't attended a single V8 race here, and never will in protest of losing the F1's.

 

[Arthur Dunger]

Why do you say that? I mean how did we benefit from losing it? It can’t be an environmental or convenience gain since we replaced it immediately with a pretty similar type of event.

It was just boring as batshit - like watching cars going around on a scalextric track, the V8's are just so much more appealing with cars in some way that we can relate too and far more close racing.

 

[Macca19]

Maybe today, but F1 back then was awesome.

 

[Lagooner]

It was just boring as batshit - like watching cars going around on a scalextric track, the V8's are just so much more appealing with cars in some way that we can relate too and far more close racing.

That’s definitely the problem with the Melbourne circuit, it’s always been hard to overtake and it makes for a boring race. I think the layout of the Adelaide track provides a lot more opportunity for confrontation though and I’d argue that we saw some pretty exciting racing back then. Senna vs Mansell, Hill vs Schumacher, very entertaining battles.

But if the V8s are more your thing then I guess you’d see it as a good change because we probably wouldn’t have them at all if F1 was still in town.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It was just boring as batshit - like watching cars going around on a scalextric track, the V8's are just so much more appealing with cars in some way that we can relate too and far more close racing.

Nah those early years of the Adelaide grand prix there was no dominate team for years on end with technology so far ahead of everyone else like you got from the late 1990's, so the unexpected regularly happened at the Adelaide race. Plenty of crashes and unexpected wins etc.

I don't think there have ever been too many races were like the 1986 race when Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost and Nelson Piquet all had the chance to win the world champs, all were pushing it, all got in front and then into trouble at some point of the race and Mansell's rear wheel exploded about 3/4 of the way into the race. IIRC Prost thought his race was over and lost his championship after about 1/3rd of the race, had some sort of trouble and had to go to the pits but came back and with Mansell's disaster won the world championship. I'm pretty sure it was voted race of the 1980's by an F-1 magazine.

I went to 7 of the 11 races, as I was in Canada in 1988 and went to Sydney in 1992 so I also missed the 92, 93 and 94 race, but came back with a few mates to watch the last one in 1995. The atmosphere was brilliant for the last one. 1986 and 1995 races are the stand outs in my memory.

 

[scotty13]

Senna no doubt the quickest of all time.

I was always a Prost & Mansell fan though. Prost should have had 5 champs but was robbed of the 88 world championship due to the idiotic point system at the time which saw Senna win the championship despite Prost scoring 11 more points than him

I'm a Mansell fan for 1 reason and 1 reason only (all 90's kids will get this)... Nigel Mansell's F1 Racing on Gameboy! was a great game, and given it had his name on it, just assumed he was the GOAT! Mansell marketing for the win!

 

[StrappingTape]

It was just boring as batshit - like watching cars going around on a scalextric track, the V8's are just so much more appealing with cars in some way that we can relate too and far more close racing.

Nah, once you get hooked on the speed and power of F1 the v8s look like slow motion and low skilled shit. It is even worse now they are all on a shared platform.

 

[70sDinosaur]

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This is the 3-year old me, inside Emerson Fittipaldi's car.

That's a fantastic photo and a great family heirloom for you.

Emerson Fittipaldi is a legend and that Lotus 72 is a thing of sheer beauty - just about my favourite F1 car of all time. It's right up there with the Maserati 250F, Lotus 49, Lotus 79 and the great cars of the 80s.

The Adelaide F1 circuit was one of the all-time great street circuits and I think Adelaide's time of hosting the race coincided with the greatest era of F1.

I attended the 1986 GP and it was a privilege to be there and see so many legends like Rosberg, Piquet, Prost, Senna and Mansell give us a truly historically great sporting moment in my hometown.

Coincidentally, I moved to Melbourne around the same time the GP did. I've attended one race in Melbourne but I was underwhelmed by the experience - the magic of Adelaide and that golden era was gone.

Modern F1 just doesn't hold my interest much anymore. Mostly ugly cars, boring tracks, contrived racing with so many gimmicks to try and keep it interesting - the product used to be good enough to sell itself without all that stuff.

It's why the modern drivers like Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton, etc will never be in my conversations about who was the greatest, no matter how good they are. They just don't represent an era of F1 that resonates with me in any way whatsoever. For me, when Senna passed away, he pretty much took F1 with him.

Back to Emerson Fittipaldi, he of course also had a great career in Indycar racing, competing during the generally-acknowledged golden era of CART. This year I guess I will be paying some kind of small tribute to him by going to the US to attend the Indianapolis 500 - something that I've always wanted to do and an event that Emerson won twice.