Forward Trades

[jim boy]

What would you offer for Fevola? Attitude problems not going down too well with the administration at Princes Park.

I can see how Collins would hate Fevola's guts, but I doubt Pagan would feel the same. If Fevola was to be shipped out because of the formers dislike, then I'd have doubts about how long Pagan will be with the blues.

Anyway, suffice to say if Fevola, the character, is seen as acceptable at Geelong, he would not come cheap. How about our first round draft pick (15-19 but that's all we have) and a Corey (either one)?

 

[Robin Hood]

Is it possible to Get Nathan Thompson and Lance Whitnall?

Spriggs & 2nd Round (at max) for Whitnall
and then
Enright & 1st Round (at max) for Thompson


We'd have a decent set up there.

Talls: Graham, Thompson, Whitnall, Kingsley
Meds: Haynes, Steve Johnson, Gardiner
Smalls: Ablett, Chapman, Byrnes

Maybe Gardiner might even get traded or Haynes told to shape up or ship out.

 

[BluesPrez]

Your picks will be relatively low, i.e. your first round pick will be around 16-19 and hence your 2nd round will be early 30's. IMO, that's not good enough for Whitnall. First round pick is what we'd like (and realistically, it's pretty much we'd get for him anyway). Spriggs is a hack, you know this and so do I

Fevola - we'd want Joel Corey or Bartel or Kelly + 2nd round pick at the very least. Note I said "or", I didn't say "and", I'm not that stupid

I'd prefer Joel Corey + Steve Johnson for Fevola, but obviously you wouldn't like that

 

[jim boy]

Fevola - we'd want Joel Corey or Bartel or Kelly + 2nd round pick at the very least. Note I said "or", I didn't say "and", I'm not that stupid

Hmmm, I offered Corey and our first pick, you want Corey and our second pick, maybe we could imbetween?

 

[BigCat1]

I'd love Big Fev at the Cattery. With our midfield he would be a definate chance to kick a ton

However I wouldn't be parting with JC. I haven't always been the biggest fan of Joel but like Bartel his last 15 weeks have been outstanding. He's now an elite midfielder in the comp

First round pick + Enright. Enright is a super player who was decimated with injuries this year.

Was keen on Whitnall last year but I honestly think the games gone past him. He was terrible this year. I'd take him cheaply in the hope that a new club could turn him around, but Carl will want a 1st rd pick + a player and that is a chance I'm not willing to take

 

[nananana catman]

I'd love Big Fev at the Cattery. With our midfield he would be a definate chance to kick a ton

However I wouldn't be parting with JC. I haven't always been the biggest fan of Joel but like Bartel his last 15 weeks have been outstanding. He's now an elite midfielder in the comp

First round pick + Enright. Enright is a super player who was decimated with injuries this year.

Was keen on Whitnall last year but I honestly think the games gone past him. He was terrible this year. I'd take him cheaply in the hope that a new club could turn him around, but Carl will want a 1st rd pick + a player and that is a chance I'm not willing to take

Id be inclined to offer first second and enright if need be given the fact that a gun goal kicker like fevola would make us a genuine contender for sure.

 

[Scarlett30]

I herd a wisper from a current carlton player that

Witnall is leaving
and geelongs offer is Spriggs & Enright

 

[Cattas_21]

We should keep Enright, hes a good hard player.. the only guys we should look at trading or getting rid of are spriggs, chambers, rahilly, slade, loats, foster..id be disappointed if any others find a new home

 

[Turbocat]

We should keep Enright, hes a good hard player.. the only guys we should look at trading or getting rid of are spriggs, chambers, rahilly, slade, loats, foster..id be disappointed if any others find a new home

Get ready to be disappointed

If geelong took your approach C21, we may as well just stop thinking about trades and again look to the draft, which is not such an all together bad idea.but it doesnt solve any imediate stucture flaws. We will not advance our player stocks with trades that you have listed because they have stink of the reject on them.Not up to it.Spriggs would be only one Id be confident that one has a market value,Rahilly and Chambers are maybes at most, Foster and Loats are delisters.

To trade for either early picks or name forwards it will cost us 2 or 3 units (player/picks).Picks are usually worth more because of the mystic of the new champion, tryed players have no mystic unless they have been successfull so if we are going to trade players they will have to be players that we would be quite happy to keep and play.Spriggs just passes this test, as does Chambers, barely. The rest FAIL it with a Capital F and so are worth nothing(in trades)

If we are not to get a forward, as usual,I would think Wells would be hoping to trade into a bottom clubs r2 picks.I believe as we finished 4th we will have Pick 15, if we could add another pick from 20 thru 25 and have two in the top25,we will maintain our Mission Statement of building our own future.To get say Pick 20 of Richmond its going to cost us more than Rahilly

 

[Cattas_21]

There are other players that should go before enright that have value such as dave johnson, playfair, mccarthy, rooke. all have showed promise but can easily be covered at geelong. Other clubs will show interest in them

 

[Turbocat]

There are other players that should go before enright that have value such as dave johnson, playfair, mccarthy, rooke. all have showed promise but can easily be covered at geelong. Other clubs will show interest in them

Clubs show interest in everyone and anyone.Will the clubs part with equity.
Enright - Yes
DJohnson - Yes
MCCarthy - Maybe but not much
Rooke - Yes

All above are in the mix , all above are still required, all above could hurt us at another club and therefore have market value.If we have to lose depth, then thats the cost having a better balanced list.We must plan for next year and five years,when Scarlo and Kingy is another 5 years older. If we miss yet again on ready forward I might still test the market to get an extra picks in the top 25.I see no reason to stop doing what got us to the finals, Talented Youth planted in a quality enviroment

 

[Cattas_21]

Yeah but weve got the right team now, all we need is a good quality forward.. we cant give away too much otherwise it could come back to haunt us...should try trading all draft picks and spriggs first..if that fails then we may have to make a sacrifice of someone like enright..but i wouldnt be bringing his name up too quickly

 

[Tenacious Kane]

You're saying we need that key forward, but are only willing to give up draft picks and Spriggs (may go to Enright if you have to).

That equation isn't going to work. You have to give something up to get something.

 

[Cattas_21]

Im not only willing to give them up.. it would depend on who the forward is...if its whitnall then i wouldnt give much up at all coz hes crap, but if it was ottens or sum1 a bit better, then yeah we'll have to sacrifice sum1 better than spriggs..but i would think that spriggs, enright and a 3rd round pick would be enough to get him coz he aint a superstar either

 

[flagfor05]

No thanks to Russell Robertson. Not good enough, and isn't a key forward. He doesn't get the hardball and only plays well when his team is winning.

 

[ZaNy]

Hi everyone on BigFooty (first post for me). Just wanted to add my 2c.

Much of what is said in this thread is continually rehashed, with the core message being that we need a FF or CHF because our current options (Benny and Kent) aren't up to the task.

Graham has been solid this year, although kicking has been poor, but should remain at CHF next year. In any case, he probably doesn't have too many years left in him and won't be tradeable (and doesn't want to play at any other AFL clubs before going to NFL).

Kingsley isn't the kind of player we need at FF. Our smalls (Chapman, Ablett and S. Johnson) have stepped up this year, although they didn't have a great impact last Satdy. Usuallu, however, they will crumb the ball from the bottom of marking contests and finish well. We need a solid down-the-guts/pack mark at top of the square typre player. At 193cm (6 foot 4 inches), his height isn't perfectly suited to that kind of play. With Mackie, Gardiner etc. ready to step into 3rd tall role next season, Kent should be on the way out.

Problem is, no point trying to trade him for a tall from another club. No-one is that stupid. He's unlikely to produce any better anywhere else. We need to get into a three-way trade, sending Kingsley to a club desperate for a tall foward with some experience (maybe 40-50 gls, that's his max anywhere). Package Kingsley with one of the oft mentioned 'tradeables' (Rahilly etc.). That club (Bulldogs?, Crows?) send draft pick(s) or players to Tigers or Freo for us to get Ottens/Simmonds as 2nd ruckman/FF. This player and King will share ruck/FF duties, as both are capable of at least bringing ball to ground (and not 45m out on the boundary line).

Cats F/line 2005 season
HF: Mackie Graham S. Johnson
F: Ablett Ott./Sim. Chapman

Probably a bit wordy. Just wanted to summarise what I thought were key points in thread (that I agreed with).

 

[Turbocat]

Hi everyone on BigFooty (first post for me). Just wanted to add my 2c....
...Probably a bit wordy. Just wanted to summarise what I thought were key points in thread (that I agreed with).

Welcome ZaNy, wordy well not that I can talk about that.

Kingsley isn't the kind of player we need at FF. Our smalls (Chapman, Ablett and S. Johnson) have stepped up this year, although they didn't have a great impact last Satdy. Usuallu, however, they will crumb the ball from the bottom of marking contests and finish well. We need a solid down-the-guts/pack mark at top of the square typre player. At 193cm (6 foot 4 inches), his height isn't perfectly suited to that kind of play. With Mackie, Gardiner etc. ready to step into 3rd tall role next season, Kent should be on the way out.

One point I agree/disagree on is the type of player we need to maximze the crumbers but Im not sure the height is such an issue, its more the type of contest the player takes to the ball. KK is a leader there for very little spillage at the bottom of the pack.If w could find a Matty Lloyd or a Locket Id take them in a snap them up in an eye blink yet they both would be around KK's height or less.
To maximize spillage we need a bodied boy with strong hands that draws players to him but we cant just have a boy mountain with speed of the same, his mobility is still important.The good forwards can play it to the lead, for the bread and butter, play it to the bomb for jam and cream. A kid like Shultz that has some spring could develop into this type of kid.No matter who we get thru trades I hope for once we look at the type of tall we draft, give the twiggs a miss and go for kid with talent that has some meat on his big boned body

 

[ZaNy]

its more the type of contest the player takes to the ball. KK is a leader there for very little spillage at the bottom of the pack.If w could find a Matty Lloyd or a Locket Id take them in a snap them up in an eye blink yet they both would be around KK's height or less.

Yeah, good point about the height. Lloyd's 'only' 191cm, yet I would love him wearing the hoops. Thing about the spillages created is what I wanted to highlight. People have suggested Tarrant for his marking ability (and that he wants out of Vic. Park), but a lot of these grabs are down the park, not really where he can help us, and if he doesn't take it, our crumbers would be in the F.50. That's why it would be better to go for a big ruck-type player, rather than guy who leads 100m downfield.

 

[Cattas_21]

Ottens has quit Richmond and wants to play for either geelong or sydney.. geelong has told spriggs he will be traded...