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Ok, so every team has had 1 senior coach since pretty much the start of the sport.
In more recent times assistant coaches were employed.
Then a full team of helpers.
A relatively recent trend is to have line coaches who take care of areas, such as backline, mids, & forwards.
Every team does it, but why? Has this led to the disconnection between the said lines? Freo's chemistry between the forwards & those delivering to them has been poor, so how does separating them help?

When we entered the competition, Gerard Neesham had a team of mostly also-rans, & our early drafting & trading left a lot to be desired, but he did have some success. Why? I reckon it was because he was an innovator. He didn't follow the pack mentality.
Our whole club started like that with the shipping container instead of banners, etc., but we seem to have moulded into a generic club.

In my opinion Alistair Clarkson stands head & shoulders, pardon the pun, above all other coaches for his innovation, & also for his ability to man-manage his team, but he is indeed a rare beast.

Some coaches are strong on strategy, but weaker managing the team, & vice versa.

I propose a new structure for our coaching group from 2019 onwards.
Senior coach to manage the team & oversee the whole structure, but the strategy is left to:
2 strategic coaches whose role is to work on game plan & training.
Those 3 people form the match committee & the Senior coach can even sit on the bench to interact with players with his 2 strategists reporting to him from the coaches box.
Kicking coach. 100% full-time role, as it is the most important skill in the game.
General skills coach.
From there the usual medical/regular assistants should be retained.

I don't know, but so far, what we have been doing has not worked.

Does anybody have any other suggestions to do with coaching?
 
It’s all irrelevant as our coaching structure begins by sacking Lyon. He calls all the shots, there is no harmony in the box and no decent assistant coach would want to coach under him. Look at what Simpson has under him
 
Option 1. Wait a week, beat the Kangaroos and realise we are on track in our rebuild.
Option 2. Wait a week, lose to Kangaroos and bemoan how well the Kangaroos are doing and we should scrap our plan and copy theirs.
Option 3. Wait 2 weeks, get flogged by Collinwood at the G, see West Coast belt the living suitcase out of the Saints (who have the correct games experience profile we are told is the solution), realise Yyou is correct, like his op, delete bigfooty account and vow never again.
 

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I would have thought Hodge would have an agreement in place with Brisbane already. That being said it would be nice to steal him and mitchell.

Most of our discussions here seem to be about the drafting and trading of players and yet there are less restrictions in going after coaching staff, recruiters etc.
 
I posted this on a different thread

we have played the same defensive game since Ross took over and in that time how many different assistant coaches have we had quite a few.
Are you telling me that every assistant coach we have had has the same ideas as Ross, I don’t think so. What I’m saying is his stubbornness is profound. His game plan was ok when we had Pavlich a better Ballingtine Mayne etc applying heeps of pressure. A good coach plays and implements strategies to the strength of his list at the moment a lot of these young players are saying WTF as you can see their second guessing themselves and look lost
 
That’s what I heard one of the wiggles players say that Simpson coaches a game plan based on what each players strengths are which is common sense really. That second half when Wilson tucked the ball under his arm and took on the defenders almost screamed of frustration as he hasn’t been doing much of that but it is a massive weapon. Bet my balls that isn’t in the “plan”
 
IMO what's more important than the head coach is the General Football Manager/Operations Manager. Neil Balme has overseen Collingwood's two grand finals in the early 00's then moved to Geelong during their three premierships and then took Richmond to a premiership; Mark Evans and Chris Fagan during Hawthorn's successful period from 2008-2015. They're the one's responsible for overseeing everything and makes sure the whole club is working in harmony. Maybe it's time we had a harder look at replacing Bond.
 
That’s what I heard one of the wiggles players say that Simpson coaches a game plan based on what each players strengths are which is common sense really. That second half when Wilson tucked the ball under his arm and took on the defenders almost screamed of frustration as he hasn’t been doing much of that but it is a massive weapon. Bet my balls that isn’t in the “plan”

He has been. Look at our past games, he's been up there in metres gained because he goes for a trot and then kicks (#3 in AFL atm). So either he's not following the plan most weeks (which I doubt), or it is indeed part of the plan for him to move the ball forward. The challenge for him though - is that if he does go for a trot, he needs someone to kick to. That's one of our problems - having people forward of the ball in space to kick it to. That part is either the game plan, or more likely the lack of execution of the game plan by our players, which could be for a variety of reasons again.

Having 2 Hills out of the team (along with Taberner who roams, and Walters who has only just returned) robs us of running players who create outlets. Arguably our game plan is based on the players we have. Take those players out and it's not surprising that we're struggling against good teams.
 
I was lucky enough to do some Leadership training in my organisation a couple of years ago. Basically, the idea is that all leaders have different skill sets that get the most of their staff. In a snapshot, these are:

- Plant: Creative, Imaginative, free-thinking. Generates ideas and solves difficult problems.

- Resource Investigator: Explores opportunities and develops contacts.

- Co-ordinator: Mature, confident, identifies talent. Clarifies goals. Delegates effectively.

- Shaper: Has the drive and courage to overcome pressure.

- Monitor Evaluator: Sober, strategic, discerning. Sees all options and judges accurately.

- Teamworker: Perceptive and diplomatic. Listens and averts friction.

- Implementer: Practical, reliable, efficient. Turns ideas into actions and organises work to be done.

- Completer Finisher: Searches out errors. Polishes and perfects.

- Specialist: Single-minded, self-starting, dedicated. Provides knowledge and skill in rare supply.

I'm kind of intrigued that you consider yourself "lucky" to have been forced to sit through hours of that management consultant pop psychology bullshit.

It's just a bunch of complimentary-sounding but ultimately meaningless words jumbled together.

It beggers belief that companies actually pay these people to waste their time.
 
He has been. Look at our past games, he's been up there in metres gained because he goes for a trot and then kicks (#3 in AFL atm). So either he's not following the plan most weeks (which I doubt), or it is indeed part of the plan for him to move the ball forward. The challenge for him though - is that if he does go for a trot, he needs someone to kick to. That's one of our problems - having people forward of the ball in space to kick it to. That part is either the game plan, or more likely the lack of execution of the game plan by our players, which could be for a variety of reasons again.

Having 2 Hills out of the team (along with Taberner who roams, and Walters who has only just returned) robs us of running players who create outlets. Arguably our game plan is based on the players we have. Take those players out and it's not surprising that we're struggling against good teams.
Forwards ideally shouldn't go past the wings, centre, especially as you say our best runners are missing. That is on the
coaches, game plan needs adjusting.
Also we don't have anyone available to replace Tabs, if Wilson kicks it to him on the wing and he marks then as he goes
back to take his kick it gives time for others to get forward.
A better idea is to have Cox play the role, but alot closer to goal, doesn't have Tabs tank.
With two rucks rotating forward at least we have structure, and if they don't mark at least they bring it to ground, stops
the intercept, rebound.
Having structure means they have to be manned up, more space less congestion around the ball.
 

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I'm kind of intrigued that you consider yourself "lucky" to have been forced to sit through hours of that management consultant pop psychology bullshit.

It's just a bunch of complimentary-sounding but ultimately meaningless words jumbled together.

It beggers belief that companies actually pay these people to waste their time.

Bit snarky but point taken.
 
Former Docker is having a big impact running the Pies' defence

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-22/is-this-pies-assistant-the-next-big-coaching-thing

I guess the question is can he work under a totalitarian head coach?

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I know this is the not sack Lyon thread but it does appear that two good candidates for head coach in Caracella and Longmuir are emerging. Perhaps it wont be the end of the world if things go pear shape in the future (I mean more accusations rather than development of the team which appears on target).

I know you should be careful what you wish for but geez it would be nice to see a team more capable of scoring in the future.
 
Is Ross that people bad ? The players love him. It's only sumich that has a gripe with him.

Sumich doesn't work for Fremantle any more, so he can say what he likes. Employees of the Fremantle Football Club say they like the head coach, big surprise there.
 
Is Ross that people bad ? The players love him. It's only sumich that has a gripe with him.

The support for Ross internally does indeed seem to be emphatic, probably shouldn’t be discounted.

It would be foolish to suggest that everyone working at the club has the wool pulled over their eyes with Ross’s coaching style.

Guess that counts for something.
 

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Would love for Freo to find a role for a Leigh Tudor or Jayme Graham. On a personal level I think they would be great for our core youngsters.
 
Didn't Ross delegate alot of stuff in the 2016 pre-season and tried to get his assistants to take more sessions while he was more hands off?

And it went down like a lead baloon?

I’ve always thought that he went too far the other way and set it up to fail to make a point.
 
He has a point though, all assistants that have got a senior gig have gone through Hawthorn/Clarkson for the most part. While not even a peep from Ross Lyon’s?
Sumich doesn't work for Fremantle any more, so he can say what he likes. Employees of the Fremantle Football Club say they like the head coach, big surprise there.
So do past players at Sydney, St Kilda (minus Leigh Fisher) and Fremantle. Roos commented on the weekend about Longmire and Lyon (as he would) that they come from the same mould, same philosophy for the game.
 

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