Freo perspective on Judd deal

[Jetau]

You're probably as sick of the Judd deal as I am, but I can't help but feel that West Coast are going to come out on top here.

Pick 3, 20 and Kennedy for Judd might not sound like a great deal, but consider this -

Judd was going anyway. Made his intentions clear to all, which put WC at a disadvantage.
He even had the gall to nominate 'preferred clubs,' which gave WC even less power.
He has played 138 games or so. Who says he will play another 138? Not many players do.
He has had injuries which MAY reduce his impact in the future.
Eagles will be able to free up a lot of salary cap space.
WC now have the lion's share of the draft in a season where they finished top four.

IMO, all of this will add up to 'short term pain, long term gain' for the Eagles. Time will tell, of course, but they will probably win out of this deal in the end. Carlton will probably look like the winner in 2008, but three years from now it will be a different story.

All of this upsets me a bit (as I dislike the Eagles intensely). I am so sick of them always finishing in the top eight and never seeming to need to rebuild (not in recent times anyway). Sour grapes maybe, but there it is.

On a slightly different issue, I think the way Judd has conducted himself is fairly abysmal. It's bad enough for your premiership captain to walk out, but to virtually name his club and swan about like a primadonna is a disgrace. I remember when the Eagles won the flag in 06, Judd showed virtually no emotion. Does this bloke care about the Eagles at all, and did he ever? Makes the contrast with the Pav even more striking.

But it is Carlton and not the Eagles or Judd who are the chumps here. They have mortgaged their future for ONE PLAYER - half a player in fact, as half of his career (or more) is over. And if the reports that he will get $6 million over 5 years are true, then they are chumps doubly.

Mark my words - in three years the Eagles and Judd will be laughing about this.

 

[freocuz]

While I'm all for a good rogering for the Toasters, I feel Judd has been very disappointing in this whole saga. What he should have done was advise the Toast where he wanted to go, but not let it get out to everyone else. That's why it's all gone to pot (so to speak).

While 3, 20 & Kennedy may not seem adequate, and if it was that deal for Pav I'd be spewing, if they are lucky with 3 I can see it working out very nicely.

 

[Plugga]

Disagree.

Weagles got screwed by their Captain.

If he had said 2-3 clubs, there would have been a bargaining chip & the Weagles would have got #1 pick without a doubt, & probably #3 & #20.

If Pav was going, he would say wither Port or Cows, & bidding would commence.

As much as he says it's not...Judd is all about $.

#3 will get Cotchin, who may or may not be a very good midfielder. #20 is not going to bring in a champ unless a fluke. Kennedy is a HACK IMO.

Weagles got jipped

 

[james Dean]

We gave them pick 3 (could be a gun..could be a Sampi), JK who is still unproven... And pick 20...Hardly selling our future

 

[Underdog]

While 3, 20 & Kennedy may not seem adequate, and if it was that deal for Pav I'd be spewing, if they are lucky with 3 I can see it working out very nicely.

Fortunately for us it looks like we will get Cotchin (the player we are reportedly after) with the number 3 pick, so 1 was never really required.

Carlton will get Kruezer and I reckon Richmond will get Morton - particularly since we are trading Mitch there too

 

[sumavich]

Fortunately for us it looks like we will get Cotchin (the player we are reportedly after) with the number 3 pick, so 1 was never really required.

Carlton will get Kruezer and I reckon Richmond will get Morton - particularly since we are trading Mitch there too

Depends what happens with Benny. If he struggles with his habits, then Wet Toast will be in a bit of trouble. But, if Benny comes good, Wet Toast will stilll be a force with or without the new Figjam.
I agree with the above, it does reflect poorly on the Juddster. He is the new Figjam. Carlton suck !!

 

[bushie]

The Hamburger corporation are getting nothing less than they deserve.

Seeing them on their hands and knees whilst getting a good rogering by Carlton and Judd has made my week.

 

[Keys]

You're probably as sick of the Judd deal as I am, but I can't help but feel that West Coast are going to come out on top here.

Pick 3, 20 and Kennedy for Judd might not sound like a great deal, but consider this -

Judd was going anyway. Made his intentions clear to all, which put WC at a disadvantage.
He even had the gall to nominate 'preferred clubs,' which gave WC even less power.
He has played 138 games or so. Who says he will play another 138? Not many players do.
He has had injuries which MAY reduce his impact in the future.
Eagles will be able to free up a lot of salary cap space.
WC now have the lion's share of the draft in a season where they finished top four.

IMO, all of this will add up to 'short term pain, long term gain' for the Eagles. Time will tell, of course, but they will probably win out of this deal in the end. Carlton will probably look like the winner in 2008, but three years from now it will be a different story.

All of this upsets me a bit (as I dislike the Eagles intensely). I am so sick of them always finishing in the top eight and never seeming to need to rebuild (not in recent times anyway). Sour grapes maybe, but there it is.

On a slightly different issue, I think the way Judd has conducted himself is fairly abysmal. It's bad enough for your premiership captain to walk out, but to virtually name his club and swan about like a primadonna is a disgrace. I remember when the Eagles won the flag in 06, Judd showed virtually no emotion. Does this bloke care about the Eagles at all, and did he ever? Makes the contrast with the Pav even more striking.

But it is Carlton and not the Eagles or Judd who are the chumps here. They have mortgaged their future for ONE PLAYER - half a player in fact, as half of his career (or more) is over. And if the reports that he will get $6 million over 5 years are true, then they are chumps doubly.

Mark my words - in three years the Eagles and Judd will be laughing about this.

Good post

Bushie with all due respect, go **** yourself.

 

[bushie]

Good post

Bushie with all due respect, go **** yourself.

Refer to my new sig.

 

[sonofswift]

Eagles have a very strong mid field. I don't think losing one player in a group of 4 or 5 very good players will be as devastating as losing a very good KPP such as Cox.
It won't be long before they realise that they may be better off with Kennedy and the draft picks, if they live up to their potential.

 

[Belnakor]

On a slightly different issue, I think the way Judd has conducted himself is fairly abysmal. It's bad enough for your premiership captain to walk out, but to virtually name his club and swan about like a primadonna is a disgrace. I remember when the Eagles won the flag in 06, Judd showed virtually no emotion. Does this bloke care about the Eagles at all, and did he ever? Makes the contrast with the Pav even more striking.

Fairly abysmal? Judd has acted like a complete **** ! Its funny because its happening to the Weagles, but its also a bad sign of things to come. Players thinking they are bigger than the system.

Pav will go down as a man of integrity and Judd will go down as a mercenary who should have a $ sign on his back.

When/If we ever win a premiership with Pav at the helm i think we can expect some very big celebrations from big Pav

 

[DCFCFAN84]

As much as he says it's not...Judd is all about $.

Well it is a business he needs to make a lot of money now as he can't play football forever.

 

[estibador]

Well it is a business he needs to make a lot of money now as he can't play football forever.

I'm sure the eagles would have made sure he had enough money to put food on the table if he had stayed. Not that feeding the Twig would cost much, though I'm sure she makes up for it with a few other high maintenance habits.

As for how this trade will affect Freo, all I really care about is getting our hands on either Masten or Palmer. It's developing into a mini obsession for me. So since it seems the eagles will be taking Cotchin I don't really care. We were never going to get him anyway.

I'm glad they didn't get picks 1 and 3 though.

 

[Bender571]

I'm hoping Judd plays 100+ games for carlton and then has a kid who can play. It'd be interesting to see what would happen

 

[wehavethepassion]

Its offical Judd to Blues for Slime's third rounder - # 46
Slime get Picks 3, 20 and Josh kennedy(has agreed to come back to perth)

Slime no has picks 3,13, 19(from Tigers for Mitch morton) and 20

 

[sumavich]

Its offical Judd to Blues for Slime's third rounder - # 46
Slime get Picks 3, 20 and Josh kennedy(has agreed to come back to perth)

Slime no has picks 3,13, 19(from Tigers for Mitch morton) and 20

It really is the top 10 that matters, THOUGH.

 

[Topdock65]

see guys, that is how a trade is done

none of this 'pick 1 for trent croad'

you guys could learn something.

Learn what ?

 

[estibador]

Your captain and best player walked out on your club.

Best player in the comp and they couldn't even get the no 1 pick for him.

You sure showed us how to negotiate, west coast. You hard bastards you.

 

[ep2018]

Best player in the comp and they couldn't even get the no 1 pick for him.

You sure showed us how to negotiate, west coast. You hard bastards you.

would like to see how well judd goes when he has to get the ball himself. wont have the likes of kerr, etc giving him soft stats everytime he plays. def. not the best player in the AFL, I rate kerr and a drug-free cousins higher then him.

 

[Keys]

would like to see how well judd goes when he has to get the ball himself. wont have the likes of kerr, etc giving him soft stats everytime he plays. def. not the best player in the AFL, I rate kerr and a drug-free cousins higher then him.

Stop digging. The hole you are in is deep enough already.

 

[Scotland]

A West Coast fan gloating about the Judd deal. WTF.

The rest of us are still walking around rather gingerly, reaching for the inflatable doughnut.

 

[Parasite]

A West Coast fan gloating about the Judd deal. WTF.

The rest of us are still walking around rather gingerly, reaching for the inflatable doughnut.

Yeah weird, here I was thinking how good it was that the Eagles got shafted.

 

[The Night Shift]

I DON'T CARE !!!!!!!

Why the hell do we have to have a thread on WCE or Judd on the Purple Hordes board. Neither Judd or the trade hasn't got anything to do with our club and this place show be a sanctuary away from the bluenyella peril, as IP put its.

 

[estibador]

I DON'T CARE !!!!!!!

Why the hell do we have to have a thread on WCE or Judd on the Purple Hordes board. Neither Judd or the trade hasn't got anything to do with our club and this place show be a sanctuary away from the bluenyella peril, as IP put its.

It's a sanctuary from the puff pieces and feelgood stories about them we have to put up with in the WA media.

Doesn't mean we can't enjoy the simple pleasures in life, like watching their captain walk out on them. Especially since the sycophantic west coast media has been putting pressure on Freo and Pav all year by claiming he was leaving.

Besides, Judd doesn't wear bluenyella. Not anymore.

 

[Jetau]

Nightfury - no one is asking you to contribute to this thread if you don't want to. Unfortunately, most of us live in the same state as the Eagles, so a certain amount of exposure to them is unavoidable. My basic point is that this is potentially good news for them in the long run. Not the 'shafting' that people are talking about.

Something else I forgot to mention before. Didn't Judd say he wanted to play for a team who would play finals straight away? And how he's going to Carlton? The man has no credibility at all. He is after the money, pure and simple. If I was a West Coast fan I would be filthy about this.

Carlton will be sh*tting themselves if Judd ever grimaces or clutches at his hamstring for the next FIVE YEARS.