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No way we will beat Freo this weekend without Brown, Lynch and at best a less than 100% Leppa.

Getting very tired of our rough house tactics drawing a suspension - especially for a future leader like Brown, when we are already short Lynch. Just plain stupid.

The fact is even with our best 22 over there it would be tough - I suspect we are in for a hiding.
 
Is it really a given that Brown will get suspended.?

I've only seen the incident once but it didn't seem that serious to me at the time. Looked like he pulled the "strike" in a similar manner as the Lynch one against the Saints a couple of weeks ago.

But as I said, I've only seen it once so maybe it's worse than that?

As for Leppitsch (and McRae, for that matter), I heard a radio report today that Mathews expect BOTH to available for the Freo match.

Maybe things aren't as bleak as you portay them.
 
Originally posted by luthor
Is it really a given that Brown will get suspended.

I've only seen the incident once but it didn't seem that serious to me at the time. Looked like he pulled the "strike" in a similar manner as the Lynch one against the Saints a couple of weeks ago.

But as I said, I've only seen it once so maybe it's worse than that?

As for Leppitsch (and McRae, for that matter), I heard a radio report today that Mathews expect BOTH to available for the Freo match.

Maybe things aren't as bleak as you portay them.
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Brown will go for 2 weeks. But I hope it's only one week so he can destroy Rivers the following week.
 
Wasn't the contact made with the chest and the shoulder? What is the charge - "chesting"? I guess they've said unduly rough play but to my eye he basically pushed the guy over so any suspension would be a joke. Who knows wha the tribunal will come up with though....
 

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He swings his arm, makes contact to the head and face of Hulme (? I think) with his forearm - to be honest, were I an umpire, I would classify it as a cynical and clever attempt to get around the striking charge.

As far as Leppa goes, he looked bloody terrible going off - despite Matthews' words this arvo I would doubt he will play, especially in light of the plane trip over there. Regardless, he won't be fully fit even if he is selected.

It's about time our players stopped playing like champions - they aren't. We need to stop the BS and biff, and play footy.

Each week we go closer to being the 2001 Dons - experienced, but not good enough. St K and Freo are MILES faster than us, across ALL lines, not just the middle. We look slow and out of touch with the best teams in the comp.

Unless the players acknowledge, as a group, that they are behind the 8 ball, we are gonna go down in a sorry heap. They need to step back and take stock - thinking football is what we need now, not the mindless drivel that is being served up this year.
 
I’m a bit surprised Brown even got reported.

My interpretation:

I watched the replay today on Fox Footy and it looked like Brown got pushed turned around and took a big swing with his arm and hit the Carton players arm and knocked him over(Striking or just a simple push?). There was hardly any high contact (maybe some if the arm slipped up as the Carlton player fell over).

The commentators after a few replay’s were saying “That’s not reportable”.

Brown does have previous suspensions so that not good .


Leppitsch and McRae:

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Brisbane Lions coach Leigh Matthews has already ruled out defender Darryl White (ankle) for the clash against Fremantle in Perth on Saturday, but is holding out “reasonable hope” for Justin Leppitsch (quad) and Craig McRae (calf).

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It's going to be the Cub's not the Lions if Leppa doesn't go. By the way we're going Vossy won't be going either.

With Brown's history I don't think it's good (on top of the adage "if you're reported by video you're already gone")
 
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Why would you write us off for a hiding? St Kilda went over there and showed what can be done, Freo are questionable in pressure games, we are quality, and we never get thumped (once against West Coast in 3 years).

We will be competitive.
 
Originally posted by CarterS
Why would you write us off for a hiding? St Kilda went over there and showed what can be done, Freo are questionable in pressure games, we are quality, and we never get thumped (once against West Coast in 3 years).

We will be competitive.
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Exactly right.

Regardless of what team we have, we'll be good.

Who cares about not having Brown and Leppitsch if it happened. If we shut off Bell and Haselby, we can win the game with our midfield. We have targets up forward such as Keating, Voss, Bradshaw and we'd win even if we had someone like Hart CHB. With the following midfield and the shut down of Fremantle's 2 best midfielders we'll win.

Black in awesome form
Akermanis in Brownlow form kicking accurately.
Lappin consistent
Hadley having an impact from the wing.
Voss in the middle
Power having a bloody awesome year and in the best form of his career.

Our midfield will run over the top of Fremantle's. If we lose Brown, we go in with a forward line of Voss, Keating, Bradshaw and Brennan and perhaps Pike. The size of Subi will allow us to do something like that. Then have our midfield feed the ball or kick goals themselves.
 
You people are very critical, whether Brown goes or not we are still a chance against them.
I was happy they let up in the last quarter and a bit, you can see what the trip to perth can do to sides.

Hopefully next week Adcock will get his go, he was unlucky to be dropped for this weeks game.

Why cant Charman play part of the game at Centre half forward, hes done well in that role before.

Chris Scott isnt far off either. We will be right, have some faith.
 
Originally posted by chophappy
Each week we go closer to being the 2001 Dons - experienced, but not good enough. St K and Freo are MILES faster than us, across ALL lines, not just the middle. We look slow and out of touch with the best teams in the comp.

Unless the players acknowledge, as a group, that they are behind the 8 ball, we are gonna go down in a sorry heap. They need to step back and take stock - thinking football is what we need now, not the mindless drivel that is being served up this year.
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With respect, I don't agree. We burnt the Saints in the last quarter and some of the footy v Blues was sensational. A 2001 Dons analogy is closer to the mark but, after a great start in 2003, we looked down and out until we nailed the Pies at the G. These situations create opportunity which hopefully will be taken and I have sufficient faith in the squad that we can avoid the 'sorry heap' imagery. Injuries are just killing us.
 

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Well, nothing I have seen today has convinced me we have a team capable of beating Freo. Charman will definately go for at least a week or 2.

Sorry, but these guys need to stop reading the press about themselves, STFU and play football.

Voss is, at best, a stopgap FF - he has neither the speed nor the mobility to be a real problem up forward. Forget last year please - look at the team as they are playing NOW; there is no form like current form and our current form isn't good.

As for the injuries, I don't see C.Scott, B.McDonald, a fully fit Leppa, Lynch as solutions either - we lack PACE, not strength or experience. Who, aside from Akermanis, in our team is genuinely fast? Black has endurance, Lappin isn't the punishing ball carrier he was 2-3 years ago, Hadley isn't fleet of foot either....

I will cheer loud and long on Saturday, but I simply cannot see where we will win 15 positions this weekend.
 
Originally posted by chophappy
Well, nothing I have seen today has convinced me we have a team capable of beating Freo. Charman will definately go for at least a week or 2.

Sorry, but these guys need to stop reading the press about themselves, STFU and play football.

Voss is, at best, a stopgap FF - he has neither the speed nor the mobility to be a real problem up forward. Forget last year please - look at the team as they are playing NOW; there is no form like current form and our current form isn't good.

As for the injuries, I don't see C.Scott, B.McDonald, a fully fit Leppa, Lynch as solutions either - we lack PACE, not strength or experience. Who, aside from Akermanis, in our team is genuinely fast? Black has endurance, Lappin isn't the punishing ball carrier he was 2-3 years ago, Hadley isn't fleet of foot either....

I will cheer loud and long on Saturday, but I simply cannot see where we will win 15 positions this weekend.
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B: Johnson, Michael, Copeland
HB: Lappin, Brennan, Scott
C: Hadley, Black, Akermanis
HF: Notting, Pike, Shattock
F: McGrath, Bradshaw, Voss

FOLL: Keating, Power, Hart

INT: Drummond, MacDonald, Adcock, Corrie/Pratt

IN: Drummond, MacDonald, Adcock, Corrie/Pratt
OUT: Brown, Leppitsch, McRae, Charman

That team will win.
 
Originally posted by chophappy
Who, aside from Akermanis, in our team is genuinely fast?
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Power, McGrath, McRae, Corrie, Notting, Copeland, Brennan all have reasonable toe. I wouldn't say that we have any decidedly 'slow' players, apart from perhaps Keating.

We're not the 'fastest' side going around, but we aren't the slowest either.
 
Originally posted by SpecialBruce
B: Johnson, Michael, Copeland
HB: Lappin, Brennan, Scott
C: Hadley, Black, Akermanis
HF: Notting, Pike, Shattock
F: McGrath, Bradshaw, Voss

FOLL: Keating, Power, Hart

INT: Drummond, MacDonald, Adcock, Corrie/Pratt

IN: Drummond, MacDonald, Adcock, Corrie/Pratt
OUT: Brown, Leppitsch, McRae, Charman

That team will win.
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Not a bad side that.

I wonder how Copeland would go at CHB?

The first reaction is possibly that he doesn't have the mobility for the position. Yet, he doesn't seem to lack mobility in his accustomed "tagger" role.

I think he's been impressive lately, he's got a booming kick and against the Blues he even took a couple of good contested marks.

On a different note - is White likely to be available?

The biggest weakness is possibly in the ruck (assuming Charman gets done) and although I like Brennan, he's still a way off being an adequate back-up ruckman. Bear in mind also, that Keating will be playing only his second match after an injury spell. Keating rucking on his own for 120 minutes?..............hmmm.

That's why I'd be keen on White if he's fit.

If White is unavailable, we really will have a problem in the ruck.

Brown's already suspended so there goes one "back-up" for Keating already.

Are there any other alternatives?
 
Originally posted by luthor
The biggest weakness is possibly in the ruck (assuming Charman gets done) and although I like Brennan, he's still a way off being an adequate back-up ruckman. Bear in mind also, that Keating will be playing only his second match after an injury spell. Keating rucking on his own for 120 minutes?..............hmmm.
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2002 Grand Final. Even though it wasn't 120 minutes, he stood up when it counted.

I think the club should fine Charman.

It was a stupid thing to do considering our ruck status. He should get what the AFL give him - a supsension and the club should fine him about $10 - 20,000 for that ridiculous act. I don't know what he was thinking.

Or not pay him for a game.
 

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Originally posted by SpecialBruce
2002 Grand Final. Even though it wasn't 120 minutes, he stood up when it counted.

I think the club should fine Charman.

It was a stupid thing to do considering our ruck status. He should get what the AFL give him - a supsension and the club should fine him about $10 - 20,000 for that ridiculous act. I don't know what he was thinking.

Or not pay him for a game.
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One of your typical shoot-from-the hip responses but ..............wait for it............. I am inclined to actually agree with you this time.

Although anything's yet to be proved, a player hardly gets a suspected fractured cheekbone in an incident OFF THE BALL by someone trying to swat a fly away.

Regarding Keating....yes he HAS stood up when it really counts in the past and for this, I am an unabashed Keating fan.

It's just that I would be a lot more confident if he had 3 or 4 games under the belt , rather than the (less than half) one game he's got at this point in time.
 
Originally posted by luthor
Not a bad side that.

I wonder how Copeland would go at CHB?

The first reaction is possibly that he doesn't have the mobility for the position. Yet, he doesn't seem to lack mobility in his accustomed "tagger" role.
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Copeland definitely has mobility. What he doesn't have, is the physical size required to take on a decent key forward. His mobility would be his strength, along with his agility and athleticism.
 
Originally posted by SpecialBruce

I think the club should fine Charman.

It was a stupid thing to do considering our ruck status. He should get what the AFL give him - a supsension and the club should fine him about $10 - 20,000 for that ridiculous act. I don't know what he was thinking.

Or not pay him for a game.
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I doubt the club would fine Charman for being suspended.

They may be able to withold his match-payments, but I doubt that he would be fined on top of that. For one, such a move could come under legal scrutiny (or attract attention from the AFLPA) unless it is allowed in Charman's contract and club/league rules. Secondly, it could create a rift with the club and Charman if other players aren't, or haven't been similarly penalised for suspensions.
 
Originally posted by Stocka
Copeland definitely has mobility. What he doesn't have, is the physical size required to take on a decent key forward. His mobility would be his strength, along with his agility and athleticism.
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Agreed totally. I'm a huge Copeland fan, but he is about 5cms too short to be considered as a CHB. If Freo go in with J Longmuir and Simmonds in their Key forward positions, someone is going to have a huge ask ahead of them... Is it possible to win the game in Perth with Vossy as the Key forward? Didn't work last time, but I don't know for sure who Freo would put on him.

Freo's defence is their cornerstone, and with our lack of tall forwards, Polak will go forward. So Brennan will be our 3rd tall defender, with Michael and Bradshaw I would assume. When Brennan has to ruck, I would think Pikey would go back. Copeland and Shattock will have asks ahead of them in defence. But Freo's forward line structure currently is not the greatest. Which brings up the point... Where will the game be won?

Their defence will towel our forwards, unless we play a pigmy forward line and throw them out..? Because of the size of the ground I would like to see Notting or even Copeland line up as the Centre-Half Forward. Freo love to run the ball, particularly out of defence, a smaller forward line may be a winning gamble. It also means our lack of height won't be as big a deal as usual.

Our defence, even though under pressure, has enough experience and durability to beat their forward, no matter who plays down there.

Which brings it to the midfield. Bell, Hasleby, Pavlich, Carr, Cook and Headland VERSUS Voss, Black, Akermanis, Lappin, Power and Hadley. That'll be a belter of a showdown, and whoever takes the points there, will take the 4 points home I suspect.

It shapes as a game where our younger players get a big taste of footy, pressure, away footy. I suspect they will cope.

It also shapes as a game where our forward line and midfield will rotate quite a bit. Aker, Voss, Power and Hadley may not get much time off the field, but stints up forward will the order of the day. Shattock, McGrath, Notting, Adcock, Copeland and B Scott will all get a decent amount of time in the midfield. Hart will run with either Bell or Hasleby, with Black going head-to-head with the other. Pavlich vs Voss vs Carr vs Hadley, it'll be the match-up where they will rotate through each other, with Carr to negate one of them. Voss should mark Pavlich, but Carr will go to Voss, so Hadley would be the ideal man to throw into that mix, because he is growing in stature, but will slide under their radar if given half a chance.

We may go in underdogs, but I think if we play our cards right, we could be a better show than some think.
 

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