Fyfe Forward

[MadDocker]

You're not supposed to give away club secrets as a supporter, but, the club is just getting Fyfe to wrap up the Dockers first Brownlow before swinging him to CHF as a secret weapon heading into the finals.

Expect Dawson and Johnson to return strong. Alex Pearce to be an elite swingman and the mighty Dockers to head into the finals with a full head of steam, demolishing everything in their path.

You heard it here first folks.

 

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A Pearce's forward 'highlights' package left me less convinced than before I watched them... I reckon he is already an upgrade on Dawson and Silvagni down back though.

If not Fyfe forward, perhaps Mundy back is a bit more palatable? I reckon he could be useful in defence until Johnson returns. It could be Mundy back, Duffield/Sherridan out and Blakely into the middle, for example. He is supposed to have been involved in the backline training drills preseason.

 

[Alfonz]

When Fyfe drifts forward and takes a mark, he is generally taking a midfielder down there and beating them 1-on-1. And often ghosting through from the front/sideways, rather than starting deep and leading away from goal.

If we played him as a regular deep forward, against Hawthorn he would have one of Lake, Frawley or Gibson. With the way we enter the forward line, his mobility might not be an advantage, and it's quite likely he'd be forced into 1-on-1 (or 1-on-2) aerial contests against these guys. It's quite possible he would struggle. Not to mention our midfield would get smashed and the ball wouldn't get down there in the first place.

Maybe he could play like a roaming Riewoldt or Richo, but he'd end up getting a lot of touches outside the 50, and we'd still have an issue close to goal.

Not against trying it against weak sides (e.g. this week is a good opportunity), or boosting the time he spends drifting down opposed to a mid. But I don't think we want him playing as a permanent inside 50 forward against good defences.

 

[ydraw]

When Fyfe drifts forward and takes a mark, he is generally taking a midfielder down there and beating them 1-on-1. And often ghosting through from the front/sideways, rather than starting deep and leading away from goal.

If we played him as a regular deep forward, against Hawthorn he would have one of Lake, Frawley or Gibson. With the way we enter the forward line, his mobility might not be an advantage, and it's quite likely he'd be forced into 1-on-1 (or 1-on-2) aerial contests against these guys. It's quite possible he would struggle. Not to mention our midfield would get smashed and the ball wouldn't get down there in the first place.

Maybe he could play like a roaming Riewoldt or Richo, but he'd end up getting a lot of touches outside the 50, and we'd still have an issue close to goal.

Not against trying it against weak sides (e.g. this week is a good opportunity), or boosting the time he spends drifting down opposed to a mid. But I don't think we want him playing as a permanent inside 50 forward against good defences.

Fyfe reads the ball in flight better than anyone in the AFL, I'd back him in to beat the best key defenders just as easily.

 

[Righteo]

When Fyfe drifts forward and takes a mark, he is generally taking a midfielder down there and beating them 1-on-1. And often ghosting through from the front/sideways, rather than starting deep and leading away from goal.

If we played him as a regular deep forward, against Hawthorn he would have one of Lake, Frawley or Gibson. With the way we enter the forward line, his mobility might not be an advantage, and it's quite likely he'd be forced into 1-on-1 (or 1-on-2) aerial contests against these guys. It's quite possible he would struggle. Not to mention our midfield would get smashed and the ball wouldn't get down there in the first place.

Maybe he could play like a roaming Riewoldt or Richo, but he'd end up getting a lot of touches outside the 50, and we'd still have an issue close to goal.

Not against trying it against weak sides (e.g. this week is a good opportunity), or boosting the time he spends drifting down opposed to a mid. But I don't think we want him playing as a permanent inside 50 forward against good defences.

I think people here seriously overestimate his marking ability and at the same time paying little respect to opposition key defenders. If he played permanently forward we'd just go to him every single time and it'd be a cinch for the opposition defence to plonk their spare man in front of him with another couple hanging off him. As you say, most of the time he's clunking them up forward it's because he's caught them unaware with the mismatch.

 

[Righteo]

Fyfe reads the ball in flight better than anyone in the AFL, I'd back him in to beat the best key defenders just as easily.

Probably going to need to agree to disagree here before you take aim at my last post Suffice to say I think it's not nearly that simple.

 

[ydraw]

Probably going to need to agree to disagree here before you take aim at my last post Suffice to say I think it's not nearly that simple.

I agree it's not that simple, but it's not simple both ways. Key defenders mostly practice stopping their forwards from taking marks on the lead. Guys who can win marks in a wrestling contest or by jumping over/across packs are a nightmare to defend against, which is something that Fyfe is very good at. On the other hand I've never really seen how he goes as a leading target.

The thing is that if Fyfe played forward he wouldn't be playing as a key forward. He'd be playing as a small forward who takes a lot of hangers. That is extremely difficult to defend against, because if you play a guy like Harry Taylor or Rance on him, he's going to kill those guys at ground level.

I think a lot of people forget that along with Fyfe's marking prowess, he's also one of our best crumbing goalkickers. Those 2 things combined means he would be incredibly difficult for opposition coaches to find a good matchup for him.

 

[free at last]

Obviously as many goals from our superstar(Fyfe) as possible in 2016.
What is a realistic return 30+,40+ gls?

 

[E Shed]

I reckon he'd kick 50+ as a stay at home forward but thats not likely to happen. He will still come into the centre at times.
If we put Mundy/Hill behind the ball (sometimes) and Fyfe forward it gives room for Blakely/Weller to play inside & outside occasionally.
Mix it up.

 

[Silversurfer]

Its a good idea. We can win the ball from the middle, but Sandilands needs to be more inventive with his taps imo

Just bash it forwards every time and we make a mountain of ground up. Yes its predictable but its all about yardage. Why this has never been done has me baffled. Either way its a toss of a coin which team gets the clearances but this way its in our half forward zone. Put fyfe there and we will crush kill destroy all comers. Sandi's dominance has been wasted for far too long. Bash it forward and its moving our way.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Just bash it forwards every time and we make a mountain of ground up. Yes its predictable but its all about yardage. Why this has never been done has me baffled. Either way its a toss of a coin which team gets the clearances but this way its in our half forward zone. Put fyfe there and we will crush kill destroy all comers. Sandi's dominance has been wasted for far too long. Bash it forward and its moving our way.

This may work once or twice, but then the opposition will read it and murder us on the rebound. Has been tried before by Sandi and also by Nic Nat and the results generally are not pretty.

If it was that simple, our ruck coaches would have implimeted it many years ago!

 

[Silversurfer]

This may work once or twice, but then the opposition will read it and murder us on the rebound. Has been tried before by Sandi and also by Nic Nat and the results generally are not pretty.

If it was that simple, our ruck coaches would have implimeted it many years ago!

Im not so sure...if we place key ball winners at the fall of the ball...ie the centre square edge in our attacking end it will put huge pressure on opposition defences. If they lose out in that position of the ground we are attacking straight away before they can stop us. This is the spot fyfe should stand at centre bounces. It will keep him happy as he will be in the thick of the action and gives us the CHF we desperately need.

 

[DudleyDocker]

Im not so sure...if we place key ball winners at the fall of the ball...ie the centre square edge in our attacking end it will put huge pressure on opposition defences. If they lose out in that position of the ground we are attacking straight away before they can stop us. This is the spot fyfe should stand at centre bounces. It will keep him happy as he will be in the thick of the action and gives us the CHF we desperately need.

Don't want to derail the thread with an argument that's not provable either way Silversurfer. I think it is probably a good "shock tactic" to use occasionally, but as I say there have been a number of dominant ruckmen in the modern game and this tactic is not used as a rule.

That says to me that better football brains than ours have determined it is not a winning strategy.

Trust me, the next time I scream at Sandi on the TV "get it clear of the congestion" will not be the first

 

[free at last]

I reckon he'd kick 50+ as a stay at home forward but thats not likely to happen. He will still come into the centre at times.
If we put Mundy/Hill behind the ball (sometimes) and Fyfe forward it gives room for Blakely/Weller to play inside & outside occasionally.
Mix it up.

I reckon if Fyfe learns how to play deep quickly this year,he can probably be our answer to Gunston on steroids.

 

[jackkkkk]

If you were a non-footy follower watched a highlights video of Fyfe, you would assume he's a roaming chf anyway.

 

[Simbatheking21]

Hey guys sorry to intrude

I was listening to triple m this morning (Melbourne) and Wayne carry did suggest that Fyfe should play a bit of chf. Do you see this happening at all?

This ain't a super coach question just really intrigued cause I love the way he plays

All the best for 2016

 

[One_Wing]

Hey guys sorry to intrude

I was listening to triple m this morning (Melbourne) and Wayne carry did suggest that Fyfe should play a bit of chf. Do you see this happening at all?

This ain't a super coach question just really intrigued cause I love the way he plays

All the best for 2016

He'll probably rest forward more often as a result of the interchange cap. No idea how much time he'll spend there. Ross says 50% but I don't see that happening.

 

[Simbatheking21]

He'll probably rest forward more often as a result of the interchange cap. No idea how much time he'll spend there. Ross says 50% but I don't see that happening.

50%??? Yeah, don't see that happening. Too much of an animal in the middle to rest up forward that much. I remember being in the car and thinking "huh????? Fyfe chf??? What the???" When Carey said it but the more I thought about it the more I warmed to the idea.

Thanks for the write back mate and best of luck for this season

 

[Admiral Byng]

Hey guys sorry to intrude

I was listening to triple m this morning (Melbourne) and Wayne carry did suggest that Fyfe should play a bit of chf. Do you see this happening at all?

This ain't a super coach question just really intrigued cause I love the way he plays

All the best for 2016

I'd desperately love to see him play as a forward, CHF type role. But the word is he doesn't want to, he loves playing as a mid.

 

[meima]

I'd desperately love to see him play as a forward, CHF type role. But the word is he doesn't want to, he loves playing as a mid.

That is last season before brownlow , now he want to play CHF.

 

[One_Wing]

50%??? Yeah, don't see that happening. Too much of an animal in the middle to rest up forward that much. I remember being in the car and thinking "huh????? Fyfe chf??? What the???" When Carey said it but the more I thought about it the more I warmed to the idea.

Thanks for the write back mate and best of luck for this season

He was recruited as a forward but he was always seen as someone who would play in the midfield. He is a great contested mark and is a decent size. Obviously his set shot needs work. He has scored like 43 goals from the last 40 games spending most of his time in the mid so if he can just increase that output a little bit it would be a massive bonus. Hope Brisbane have a decent crack this year as well

 

[Simbatheking21]

He was recruited as a forward but he was always seen as someone who would play in the midfield. He is a great contested mark and is a decent size. Obviously his set shot needs work. He has scored like 43 goals from the last 40 games spending most of his time in the mid so if he can just increase that output a little bit it would be a massive bonus. Hope Brisbane have a decent crack this year as well

He is a great over head mark and I can see it working as far as him going forward. You guys already have the mid field to win the ball without (although I think he is your best)

Cheers mate, much appreciated

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Hey guys sorry to intrude

I was listening to triple m this morning (Melbourne) and Wayne carry did suggest that Fyfe should play a bit of chf. Do you see this happening at all?

This ain't a super coach question just really intrigued cause I love the way he plays

All the best for 2016

I think this is how we will use Harley Bennell; rotating on ball and through half forward with Nat Fyfe.

 

[DudleyDocker]

I think this is how we will use Harley Bennell; rotating on ball and through half forward with Nat Fyfe.

Stop it Fred Ziffel, I just got a little moist.

 

[theGav56]

Fyfe - Bennel - Walters.

An electrifying trifecta of dangerous, unpredictable and precociously talented young men who are yet to reach their peak. That is, they are going to be significantly better than they have shown so far.

All of them can be dominant in either the midfield or the forward line. In fact if they were asked to ruck against Sandilands you wouldn't write them off. But in the absence of a traditional forward structure they are major players even if on a part time basis.

That is the gift we have waiting for us in 2016.