Gary Lyons Tippett brain fart.

[Sanchez365]

I know it's a little early in the season to really be talking about trade potentials, but Gary Lyon brought it up not me. If Tippett was on the table, would he be someone we should chase hard, or do we simply hope that Longer develops into a more accurate version of Kurt?

 

[angrylion1]

I honestly think that instead of throwing kitchen sink at Kurt..we should rather get a classy A grade midfielder. How & whom I don't know but just saying.

I was hoping that we would pick a midfielder with our pick 8 but we went for Longer. Longer looks a pretty good player so not a bad decision but still...

 

[Eons]

I think we'd chase him hard. We were really keen last year, can't see why we wouldn't be just as keen this year. To me it all comes down to how the likes of Bartlett, Docherty, Yeo etc come on this year. If they all look like being above average players, I think we might trade our first pick for him. Crows would want a bit more than that I say, have to wait and see.

 

[POBT]

For me, it comes down to this. Do we believe that Tippett can spend 100% of game time at full forward and be successful?

By drafting Longer with a high draft pick, trading for a ruck-forward doesn't make sense. We've got one now, albeit one who is in the early stages of his development. But Tippett comes with a "sell the farm" trade and contract price - you don't pay that price unless the player is absolutely necessary.

We can talk all we like about getting Tippett at a bargain price but that is going to be relative - he is still going to cost us a bundle. So, he needs to be the perfect fit for us in order to justify the trade. Because I don't see him as a genuine forward just yet, I'm not convinced that he is perfect for our list although I have been very impressed with his forward work (other than goal kicking) this year and may well re-consider him as the year goes on.

 

[Ironmonger]

Another consideration is the future of Merrett and our backline.

Merrett looks to be playing a very similar role that Tippett is playing at Adelaide, with similar goal-kicking accuracy. Plus Merrett can possibly pinch hit in the ruck. I expect he will have to play as a forward/ruckman at some point in the next six weeks because I don't think Longer's body can sustain that amount of footy at this stage.

If the club thinks Merrett can be spared from the backline (personally I don't think he can) then they might consider that position filled.

I'm still keen to see more of Retzlaff in the seniors. Surely his goal-kicking problems are solvable?

 

[Haso]

I don't think Tippett is required. As POBT sayys, we have Longer, who fills a similar role albeit at an earlier stage of development. We didn't spend pick 8 on Billy to not dedicate some time to seeing if he can do that job.

The other consideration is Lisle, Retzy and Cornelius. These are three young guys who are being roasted by fans for not being fully developed yet. They are already in our possession and are currently being worked on. Kurt is 25 and he is still not 100% A grade just yet. While many here are at pains to tell us that these boys aren't developing well or aren't bing developed well, I'm at pains to say that there is no way that we could know that just yet.

At leas one of those 3 will pull through in addition to Billy. I don't think we need to trade the kitchen sink to bring in Kurt.

 

[Quigley]

If we look in line to draft Mason Shaw I would hold off.

I am not convinced Tippett will be a top echelon KPF whilst Shaw might be.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If we look in line to draft Mason Shaw I would hold off.

I am not convinced Tippett will be a top echelon KPF whilst Shaw might be.

How long will Shaw take to develop though?

Wouldn't Tippett effectively provide a nice transition. Brown (one year left) - > Tippett (5-7 years left) + Shaw (4 years before he really starts delivering). If we have to give up the Shaw pick to land Tippett, then we'd have to reconsider.

I agree that Tippett isn't top echelon (Cloke/Franklin/Kennedy) but he is on the very next rung IMO.

It all depends on what he costs. We need to flex our advantage in the trade, considering he is out of contract, especially if the Suns don't get involved.

As for his contract. he is overpaid at Adelaide. I'd be expecting him to return to market value (around the 550-600k mark). Paying the "coming home tax" as it were. If not. We should walk away.

Kerr is very businesslike in the way he goes about list management. He won't let emotion get in the way. If the terms are not agreeable, he's not going to sell the farm.

Edit: On Shaw... I was thinking earlier today how annoying it is that Mitch Brown broke his jaw. Would have been nice to gauge some early WAFL form. When does he come back?

 

[pulpdriver]

If we look in line to draft Mason Shaw I would hold off.

I am not convinced Tippett will be a top echelon KPF whilst Shaw might be.

I like the sound of Shaw, big marking goal kicking machine and I think we'd have a good chance to draft him considering the few teams we're likely to finish above and their kpf stocks. Although if the doggies look like they're going to finish beneath us towards years end I'd hope we get right in Tippet's ear (or perhaps in GC's convincing them to zone Bourke and trade to us for out compo pick.).

 

[Sanchez365]

How long will Shaw take to develop though?

Wouldn't Tippett effectively provide a nice transition. Brown (one year left) - > Tippett (5-7 years left) + Shaw (4 years before he really starts delivering). If we have to give up the Shaw pick to land Tippett, then we'd have to reconsider.

I agree that Tippett isn't top echelon (Cloke/Franklin/Kennedy) but he is on the very next rung IMO.

It all depends on what he costs. We need to flex our advantage in the trade, considering he is out of contract, especially if the Suns don't get involved.

As for his contract. he is overpaid at Adelaide. I'd be expecting him to return to market value (around the 550-600k mark). Paying the "coming home tax" as it were. If not. We should walk away.

Kerr is very businesslike in the way he goes about list management. He won't let emotion get in the way. If the terms are not agreeable, he's not going to sell the farm.

I think this is the main thing that comes to my mind. We don't have a ready made replacement for when Brown does retire, and Tippett could definitely fill that void. I think the main driving force will be weather or not Tippett wants to come back to Queensland. If he does, I think a deal will happen, but if he thinks me might win a premiership (or is a better chance to then with Brisbane) with Adelaide that might change his opinion.

At least if we turned Mitch Clark into a decent shot for goal we can do the same thing with Tippett.

 

[pulpdriver]

At least if we turned Mitch Clark into a decent shot for goal we can do the same thing with Tippett.

I hope whoever helped Clark with his goal kicking is working night and day with Retzlaff.

 

[The Red Den]

Hello all, have been lurking around here for years now and thought I would finally get involved and have a say.

I don't see why we should have to give up a heap to acquire Tippett, if at all. Clark only cost Melbourne pick 12 and I don't see a huge difference in circumstances and I would personally rate Clark ahead of Tippett. Even then, I scratch my head and wonder how a player with Clark's capabilities can come so cheaply considering how rare a commodity such a player is worth.

I don't want to re-open old wounds, but nonetheless, it is a real shame that the club didn't have the foresight to keep Henderson. I have been around long enough to know that you simply don't give up two quality key position players at the rate we do for a pick 12 and Fevola. Let's just hope we are finally on the end of receiving a quality big man without giving up the kitchen sink like other clubs haven't when acquiring ours.

Hope that first post was ok.

 

[MacMum]

Welcome aboard The Red Den, good to hear from you

 

[chopperduck]

Certainly some wise words Red Den. Big men are worth a tonne, and good big men even more. We certainly gave away a lot going back a few years, Hendo and a pick for Fev, Wood for TJ, and we certainly had some losses from players leaving as well.

The whole Tippett thing is hard to pick, it was said he wanted to come back to QLD, but sometimes that does change, he is playing some good footy this year in a good team, and sometimes that is enough. If he still wants out at the end of the year, then certainly it lowers his value being that he only wants to go to one club. I'm not sure how FA might come into the equation either. He is certainly over paid at the crows, and i certainly wouldn't want to be forking out mega bucks for such a player, 500k is a decent sum and still nice coin to come back home.

I think Tippett would work well with our team as a forward, and he woudl provide some ruck cover, considering Hudson won't be around forever. Still keeps us with a decent forward for the next 5-7 years, which is plenty of time to put some development into our current crop, as well as any other draftees we might target.

 

[BuntonRules]

Another consideration is the future of Merrett and our backline.

Merrett looks to be playing a very similar role that Tippett is playing at Adelaide, with similar goal-kicking accuracy. Plus Merrett can possibly pinch hit in the ruck. I expect he will have to play as a forward/ruckman at some point in the next six weeks because I don't think Longer's body can sustain that amount of footy at this stage.

If the club thinks Merrett can be spared from the backline (personally I don't think he can) then they might consider that position filled.

I'm still keen to see more of Retzlaff in the seniors. Surely his goal-kicking problems are solvable?

Good points Tom, but I am beginning to see the value of Big Rog upfield. Tippett won't be here till next year, by when Billy (& our 3 young talls) will have an extra pre season under their belts, plus Shaw or whoever we draft. So too will Niall Mc, Sam Michael & Justin Clark to strengthen our defensive big men.

Since we went Longer, What Tippett would cost us is not worth it IMO. Will not be too long be4 Longer is the better player.

Greetings, The Red Den. First post lets us know which camp you are in. Well done: Sure we will hear more from you.

 

[mikey127]

given that we're getting nothing out of ACE lisle and Retz yes yes yes to tippett

 

[chopperduck]

given that we're getting nothing out of ACE lisle and Retz yes yes yes to tippett

Whilst these boys are young and still developing, and might yet still pay off as players for us, you can't put all your eggs in one basket... or in this case 3.

 

[Nick Lions]

Gotta give em a go at senior level before declaring they offer nothing. You have to remember, up until he was traded here, Lisle was still living with his parents. He's just moved out of home so while his body has developed more, he's in a similar situation to a first year player in terms of fitting in and getting comfortable. Retzy and Ace are only young still. Hawkins is showing why it's worth waiting on big guys. You never know, halfway through the year, one of those three could be regular starters. TBD is right about Tippett, probably the rung below the best. Can kick a bag but never really breaks a game apart.

 

[Sanchez365]

Gotta give em a go at senior level before declaring they offer nothing. You have to remember, up until he was traded here, Lisle was still living with his parents. He's just moved out of home so while his body has developed more, he's in a similar situation to a first year player in terms of fitting in and getting comfortable. Retzy and Ace are only young still. Hawkins is showing why it's worth waiting on big guys. You never know, halfway through the year, one of those three could be regular starters. TBD is right about Tippett, probably the rung below the best. Can kick a bag but never really breaks a game apart.

I think a few people have said this now and it brings up an interesting thought. How many people think Mitch Clark is going to be better now he's gone to a different club? How much better a player is Ebert now he's back home in Adelaide? How much happier was Barry Hall when he landed in Sydney? How much better was Andy Krakourer (sp?) when he landed with the pies?

I think it says a lot that if a player wants out that their performance is going to be effected. I think that if Tippett came to Brisbane, had the benefit of roaming the forward line with Brown, learning some tips off him, not being the only focal point for a while (and improved his goalkicking) he could really be a dominant player.

For me, Tippett has all the current tools to be an elite forward, he just needs the right environment to shine in (like the QLD sun?).

PS. I could be wrong on this (as I'm not sure what position Tippett played as a junior) but he seems to have more natural forward talent then Longer. I have no doubt Longer will develop into a more then serviceable forward, but Tippett seems like a genuine forward, that could potentially develop into that elite category.

 

[The Red Den]

given that we're getting nothing out of ACE lisle and Retz yes yes yes to tippett

I'm suprised that none of them could get a game in the first two rounds, doesn't bode well and whilst premature, a massive concern that we gave up such a good pick for Lisle. No doubt time will tell. That being said, I would still prefer one of those three in the forward line alongside Brown as we are waaaaay too one dimensional with Brown as the only key and unfortunately in recent years, and as much as I hate to say it, most backmen do have his measure in all facets nowdays. My preference is Cornelius.