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GreatBradScott said:
The Nordic countries go okay.
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they're not really socialist though are they - they're capitalists with high tax rates - many argue australia is 'socialist'

But speaking of these egalitarian countries, and as countries become more egalitarian, the enrollment gap between men and women in STEM fields INCREASES - showing affirmative action is useless.

Also sweden is the rape capital of the world, so not doing that well is it...
 
R00StaR said:
Sorry for being hateful in using science. We need to fit all 50 million genders into our team.
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Gender is one thing, what about race and then there is "Intersectionality", just where do we stand in terms of LGGBTQQIAAPPK?, just how many genderdqueer, androgynous, asexual, pansexual, gender fluid, etc minorities do we employ and what are we going to do about true equality, diversification and representation?

We want to be ahead of the curve.
 
Tas said:
Gender is one thing, what about race and then there is "Intersectionality", just where do we stand in terms of LGGBTQQIAAPPK?, just how many genderdqueer, androgynous, asexual, pansexual, gender fluid, etc minorities do we employ and what are we going to do about true equality, diversification and representation?

We want to be ahead of the curve.
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They will make up the remaining 60%
 

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Mcarcherey said:
they're not really socialist though are they - they're capitalists with high tax rates - many argue australia is 'socialist'

But speaking of these egalitarian countries, and as countries become more egalitarian, the enrollment gap between men and women in STEM fields INCREASES - showing affirmative action is useless.

Also sweden is the rape capital of the world, so not doing that well is it...
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Those figures are skewed by Julian Assange and he's Australian.....
 
Kangaroos4eva said:
In terms of the availability of equal opportunity, it is quite positive in it gives women and men the choice, if they want, to enter any industry they want. Thankfully, there are laws in place to protect from discrimination and ensure the opportunity to all, although we do need some work in enforcement and attitudes.

In terms of gender quotas, it has been found in a Scandinavian study in 2016 that the enforcement of gender based quotas lead to neutral and mostly negative financial results. There is a stock market trader, his name escapes me, that has made a fortune from effectively betting against a company’s financial/stock performance everytime a company enforces a board/company quota based on gender.

Why would investors expect gender quotes to decrease the value of firms? Fortunately, the conclusion of scholars is that this is not because women can’t manage business well, but because, thanks to the pressure of the quotas, younger and therefore less experienced women needed to be quickly promoted. Authors of one study conclude “the quota led to younger and less experienced boards, increases in leverage and acquisitions, and deterioration in operating performance.”
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Wow. This thread has become seriously epic...I really feel like I've broadened my mind and expanded my consciousness.....There's not many Big Footy threads you can say that about. Exhibit A .... the Gameday thread
 
I just compiled a massive study and found the AFL has a bit of a pay gap issue. Women get 0 cents in the dollar compared to men.
 
kaboom kid said:
Wow. This thread has become seriously epic...I really feel like I've broadened my mind and expanded my consciousness.....There's not many Big Footy threads you can say that about. Exhibit A .... the Gameday thread
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It’s a ******* cesspit of a thread.
 
Snake_Baker said:
Let me guess, you're a sociologist?
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I did a Bachelor of Arts. It was a quality degree which helped mold my thinking and give me a deeper understanding of the world. I focused mostly on international studies, history and philosophy (especially with a bunch of logic units)

Co-currently I did a Bachelor of Mechanical Engineering, and I now work in that realm.
 
Mcarcherey said:
they're not really socialist though are they - they're capitalists with high tax rates - many argue australia is 'socialist'

But speaking of these egalitarian countries, and as countries become more egalitarian, the enrollment gap between men and women in STEM fields INCREASES - showing affirmative action is useless.

Also sweden is the rape capital of the world, so not doing that well is it...
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You can always tell where someone gets their info from :)

And yes....both Sweden and Denmark are capitalist countries with redistributionist tendencies, so a mix.

Norway is also not a good example as Norway's wealth ownership is thanks to their nationalization of their oil industry (their social wealth fund, worth $1 trillion, was seeded with oil money) so gives them plenty of spare to work with. The oil industry represents approximately 22% of Norway’s GDP two-thirds of their exports. I'll save the rest of the info rather than bore anyone with it.

It's also probably just about the most bloody expensive country you can live in too. But you get the jist.

As for Sweden....I fear for them.

Switzerland is very capitalist, and is one of the best economies while having a low unemployment rate (4.6%), low poverty rate, while that additionally income inequality and debt are both quite low in Switzerland.

Then to mention other heavy socialist countries like Venuzuela, North Korea, Cuba are not very good places to live etc. You could nearly add China depending on how you look at it. Its very controlled though shifted more away from sociliast country. I know it drives my Chinese friends crazy when going back home.
 
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Mcarcherey said:
they're not really socialist though are they - they're capitalists with high tax rates - many argue australia is 'socialist'

But speaking of these egalitarian countries, and as countries become more egalitarian, the enrollment gap between men and women in STEM fields INCREASES - showing affirmative action is useless.

Also sweden is the rape capital of the world, so not doing that well is it...
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All western countries utilise a capitalist /socialist hybrid economic system where the means of production are privately owned, distribution is based on supply and demand but also employ socialist policy in the form of regulation by the community and a minor redistribution of wealth through taxation and subsidisation of health care and social security.

Sweden isn't really the rape capital of the world, their definition of rape is just very broad compared to the rest of the world and they have a higher proportion of reported offences than the rest of the world when compared to victimisation surveys. It is difficult to make comparisons between nations when the factors vary significantly. Crimes like homicide or theft are easier to compare.

It is true, the more egalitarian countries and even the ones with overt bias towards women in education, like Sweden, have a lower uptakes in STEM. Affirmative action works where there is discrimination or bias, it doesn't if there isn't. I think women instinctively avoid STEM because it has a high obsolescence rate, many of these industries are not very forgiving to exit for lengthy periods.

However, in America at least, more than half the biology majors are women, this field in particular women are more interested in entering... there is still a pay gap in this field though. It is not as competitive to get lab work, however, the vast majority of nobel prize, national medal of science and other prestigious awards are dominated by men and the more lucrative positions, grants and the like tend to go towards those that are recognised. I think we are seeing more women prominent in biology, not sure how the numbers have moved over time, but like most fields, people who excel tend to have unhealthy lifestyles and do not lead very balanced lives, men generally tend to be more myopic in their lives and can focus on career at the expense of everything else. Women do as well, just not in the same numbers.
 
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Chief said:
Meh - bunch of MRAs waffling on :)

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It really isn't about being MRAs, because affirmative action is a slippery slope and I haven't seen the people who have pushed for affirmative action in the past genuine believe in equality, because the same people who pushed through affirmative action when it benefit women in the universities are all of a sudden complaining it is holding women back now that the universities are forced to apply the same policies to favour men due to being under-represented.

It is why my question back to those in favour of affirmative action is, are you prepared to hold back women when they become the majority? Because it is likely going to come to that at some point. I rarely get a response to that question for some odd reason...
 
Tas said:
It really isn't about being MRAs, because affirmative action is a slippery slope and I haven't seen the people who have pushed for affirmative action in the past genuine believe in equality, because the same people who pushed through affirmative action when it benefit women in the universities are all of a sudden complaining it is holding women back now that the universities are forced to apply the same policies to favour men due to being under-represented.

It is why my question back to those in favour of affirmative action is, are you prepared to hold back women when they become the majority? Because it is likely going to come to that at some point. I rarely get a response to that question for some odd reason...
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The another one NEVER answered, is if you could employ women to do exactly the same job as men working the same hours and pay them significantly less then why in the hell would any employer ever hire males?
We all know its about the Commi/ Marxist socialists gaining control and undermining capitalism.
 
R00StaR said:
The another one NEVER answered, is if you could employ women to do exactly the same job as men working the same hours and pay them significantly less then why in the hell would any employer ever hire males?
We all know its about the Commi/ Marxist socialists gaining control and undermining capitalism.
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I would encourage industries to keep extensive data on pay rates, I found the accounting field to be one of the most progressive fields which used to be dominated by men, it is also an industry where it is easy to classify workers based on duties/responsibilities. Women are now approximately 60% of graduates in accounting so they have been making up more than half of the incoming numbers for a fair amount of time. They also are very progressive in terms of encouraging the promotion of women and of enforcing pay rates to tiers, it works well because the industry generally doesn't pay you overtime so you have to work your arse off to get in front of the queue to get a promotion, but it is harder to find a pay differential due to amount of hours worked alone.

There is still a staggering differential in terms of a broad analysis, something like women only earning about 70% of what male accountants do.

Women often excel at rising through the lower tiers, the kind of work you can do without a ridiculous amount of overtime but women make less than 25% of equity partners in all of the international firms, some of them don't even crack 15% and it isn't a lack of desire from the firms as they are sensitive to the equality image.

It is just the nature of the work and the time investment required the higher up the ladder you go. They are nowhere near parity in pay even though there is no discrimination within each tier. I had a number of female managers in my time but it was a complete sausage-fest up the top and they bent over backwards to try and accommodate a lot of gifted female accountants who weren't prepared to sell their souls to make it to partner and I empathise with them because I had no desire either.

I know what people want in terms of parity in my field and in terms of the numbers, the dollars... the industry pays that to bribe you to basically surrender your life to be the slave to a corporation, it isn't a bingo jackpot you get from just racking up time doing 8-5 jobs, that 40 hour job has to turn into 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100+ hours a week if you want to be successful. Each ladder your climb there is a different box you mark off your life and you eventually get to a point where someone isn't prepared to go any further for a variety of reasons.

The money is just a reimbursement for time lost, time you will never get back. If people understood the sacrifice required they wouldn't wish it of their worst enemy yet the industry and the world at large is pushing women to go down this path to make themselves feel better for some bizarre reason.

The closer we have got to parity, the more unhappy women have become, I don't think the people who push for parity care one iota what the human cost is for the people they want to make up the numbers. I'd be ecstatic to see less men flush their life down the toilet, but it pains me that it will come at the expense of women who society is going to thrust in this wood chipper of a social experiment. They don't care what comes out the other end.
 
As I was discussing earlier in the thread, these 'diversity' employees, departments and group/organisations are finding their way into Australia more and more and going by the below the groups start to extend and more targeted.

This is an employee from the Huffington Post:

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You can look up her original tweet but the response from other people on Twitter were very negative, including many from 'groups' she referred to as well.
 
R00StaR said:
The another one NEVER answered, is if you could employ women to do exactly the same job as men working the same hours and pay them significantly less then why in the hell would any employer ever hire males?
We all know its about the Commi/ Marxist socialists gaining control and undermining capitalism.
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But here you’re assuming that employers are not humans but Econs.


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Chief said:
But here you’re assuming that employers are not humans but Econs.


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I assume companies are in the profit making business, dont you? If an economist could even tell us what the price of milk would be next year they'd be billionaires. The fact that very few are i can also assume you'd agree they dont know other people's businesses better than they do.
 
R00StaR said:
I just compiled a massive study and found the AFL has a bit of a pay gap issue. Women get 0 cents in the dollar compared to men.
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There would be a lot more women making money out of football, than men making money out of netball.
 
StiffArm said:
Not to be flippant, but is this based on studies or personal experience?
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Yea, there’s been a couple studies and it is occasionally raised by the media as an issue, but it isn’t discussed as an issue very often for some reason.

Women’s happiness as a whole has been on the slow, but steady decline since the 1950s, while men’s happiness has virtually stayed the same. Some people have blamed feminism and it putting too much pressure on women to achieve certain life goals. I think it is a few factors, including pressures from their own gender and the pressures women place on themselves, due to societal, consumeristic (home, material goods, obesity rise) feminist and internal influences. However, there haven’t been enough studies on why many women are generally unhappier nowadays, so my points are a bit of an educated guess.
 
How long until Scanlon's social engineers target the oldest club song in the competition?

North Melbourne boys are hard to beat when they come out to play.

One thing is certain, we (the members), won't have any choice in the matter. Our moral superiors will take care of it.

In the meantime, just shut up and buy a membership.
 
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