Get off, Warne!

[Gordon Nöel]

How much longer can a bloke get a game on reputation alone? I dunno.

 

[chip rommel]

Originally posted by Gordon Nöel
How much longer can a bloke get a game on reputation alone? I dunno.

Many of ze Orztralian team iz playink on ze name alone. Scnell scnell.

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Gordon Nöel
How much longer can a bloke get a game on reputation alone? I dunno.

but what spinner can replace him ?
Surely not 'Mr Personality' [MacGill]

 

[iceman]

Re: Re: Get off, Warne!

Originally posted by JUBJUB


but what spinner can replace him ?
Surely not 'Mr Personality' [MacGill]

Who cares about his personality? As long as he can do the job...

And from seeing him in previous games, i reckon MacGill would do pretty well, but he's never gonna be given the chance

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by Gordon Nöel
How much longer can a bloke get a game on reputation alone? I dunno.

I know. Its disgusting. How can a man get a game based on the correct reputation he's the greatest spin bowler to ever live. What in the world is going on??

 

[GoEagles]

And here I was for a moment thinking this thread was about 'Get off the junk food, Warnie!'

 

[wagstaff]

I think Warne's efforts at Test level have been ordinary for several years now. In fact, he hasn't averged below 30 for a Test calendar year since 1997.

His dominance in England probably saved his bacon, but I'm certain that MacGill would have done as well.... if given the opportunity.

 

[barry]

Originally posted by wagstaff
I think Warne's efforts at Test level have been ordinary for several years now. In fact, he hasn't averged below 30 for a Test calendar year since 1997.

His dominance in England probably saved his bacon, but I'm certain that MacGill would have done as well.... if given the opportunity.

MacGill gets most of his wickets from bad balls. He'd be too expensive in One dayers, and his reputation is exagerated by the NSW media.

Leg spin is just not suited to One day cricket. The fact that Warney is still a key player is a testiment to the man. Both teams are scared of him, and have adapted a tactic of trying to hit him out of the attack. Some days it works, one day it wont and he'll end up with a five-for.
We'll see how he goes at the spin-friendly SCG tomorrow.

I've been supprised at how often teams have been bowled out in this tournament. It shows that strike bowlers (Carins, Warne, Pollock, McGrath) are still really important, as opposed to purely containment bowlers.
This bouncer rule needs looking at though. Seems a bit contentious.

 

[Groucho]

Re: Re: Get off, Warne!

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg


I know. Its disgusting. How can a man get a game based on the correct reputation he's the greatest spin bowler to ever live. What in the world is going on??

I agree T F E! How can someone who conceded 19 off 10 a couple of games ago even be considered! It's an outrage!!!

 

[dogboy23]

Re: Re: Re: Get off, Warne!

Originally posted by Groucho


I agree T F E! How can someone who conceded 19 off 10 a couple of games ago even be considered! It's an outrage!!!

The people will not stand for this.He should have atleast got 4 wickets.Merely single handedly keeping us in that game is not enough to keep his spot.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by barry

Both teams are scared of him, and have adapted a tactic of trying to hit him out of the attack. Some days it works, one day it wont and he'll end up with a five-for.

Actually, he has only ever had one 5-for in ODI cricket in 180-odd matches, so generally he is just getting slogged....

Originally posted by barry

We'll see how he goes at the spin-friendly SCG tomorrow.

Didn't help him last week...

 

[barry]

Originally posted by Briedis


Actually, he has only ever had one 5-for in ODI cricket in 180-odd matches, so generally he is just getting slogged....

You must have someone in mind to replace him who wont get "slogged".
McGill will get slogged, and not take any wickets (except maybe caught on the boundary), and we are actually a little short of compitent alrounders at the moment. Is Funky Miller your prefered spinner?

Anyway, Warne rarely gets slogged.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Gordon Nöel
How much longer can a bloke get a game on reputation alone? I dunno.

Yeah, he was pretty damn ordinary in last sundays match in Melbourne eh.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Briedis
Didn't help him last week...

No, but then he bowled far better in the 2nd ODI in Melbourne on a pitch that did not do much for the spinners.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Dave


No, but then he bowled far better in the 2nd ODI in Melbourne on a pitch that did not do much for the spinners.

No...he SEEMED to bowl better against a team of players too scared to hit him. They then saw what the Kiwis did to him at the SCG and almost repeated the dose yesterday....

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Briedis
No...he SEEMED to bowl better against a team of players too scared to hit him.

Yeah, that must have been it. It couldn't possibly be that he's actually got any talent.

They then saw what the Kiwis did to him at the SCG and almost repeated the dose yesterday....

Two batsman slogged him for two overs, the rest of the spell was ok. It's not like he's been getting flogged match in match out ala Brett Lee.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Dave

Yeah, that must have been it. It couldn't possibly be that he's actually got any talent.

My point is not that he has not got talent. He's Australia's greatest ever test bowler, but he is a liability in 90% of the one-day games he plays...occasionally he comes through, but not often enough.

Plus the fact that he is a fairly ordinary bat means our side does not have the batting depth of others.

His time is over in the one-day arena....he is not a strike bowler anymore....

 

[wagstaff]

MacGill gets most of his wickets from bad balls. He'd be too expensive in One dayers,

Are you talking about the same bowler who has taken 79 domestic one-day wickets at a strike rate of 25 and an average under 20? And the same bowler who was Man of the Match in his international One-Day debut and has only played two matches since?

You can argue till the cows come home that he gets his wickets off bad balls but the fact is that he has a far superior domestic one-day record to Warne and has been very unlucky not to get more international matches.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by wagstaff
Are you talking about the same bowler who has taken 79 domestic one-day wickets at a strike rate of 25 and an average under 20?

And the relevance of domestic stats to international competition is?

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Briedis
My point is not that he has not got talent. He's Australia's greatest ever test bowler, but he is a liability in 90% of the one-day games he plays...occasionally he comes through, but not often enough.

1.5 wickets per match at a strike rate of 35.7 and an ER of 4.25 is hardly indicative of a liabilty who only occasionally comes through. Even McGrath doesn't take as many wickets per match and is only marginally better in terms of ER (3.97).

Plus the fact that he is a fairly ordinary bat means our side does not have the batting depth of others.

Guess we'd better drop McGrath and Gillespie as well then on that logic.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Dave


And the relevance of domestic stats to international competition is?

It's hard to compare intl. stats as MacGill has never been given a fair go. He and Lehmann are the unluckiest cricketers in the country.

Here they are anyway....

____Mat O R W BB1 BB2 Ave Econ SR 4w 5w

WARNE 171 1578.3 6710 265 5/33 4/19 25.32 4.25 35.7 12 1
MacGILL 3 30 105 6 4/19 1/38 17.50 3.50 30.0 1 0

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Briedis
It's hard to compare intl. stats as MacGill has never been given a fair go.

"Fair"? Oh that's right, he's from NSW so that means he should replace any incumbent at the first hint that he might be any good regardless of the incumbents form. He's never done anything to indicate he'd do better than the bloke who was already in the side hence his "limited opportunities".

He and Lehmann are the unluckiest cricketers in the country.

Lehmann yes, though looking at who kept him out of the side I'm sure we'd have heard no end of screming from north of the murray had he been included at any stage in the past 4 years.

Here they are anyway....

____Mat O R W BB1 BB2 Ave Econ SR 4w 5w

WARNE 171 1578.3 6710 265 5/33 4/19 25.32 4.25 35.7 12 1
MacGILL 3 30 105 6 4/19 1/38 17.50 3.50 30.0 1 0 [/B]

And that's just such a meaningful comparison isn't it.

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Dave


And the relevance of domestic stats to international competition is?

Obviously nothing, considering that Warne seems to have a permanent spot in the one-day side no matter what MacGill does.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by wagstaff
Obviously nothing, considering that Warne seems to have a permanent spot in the one-day side no matter what MacGill does.

And Warne's done exactly what to deserve being omitted?

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Dave

"Fair"? Oh that's right, he's from NSW so that means he should replace any incumbent at the first hint that he might be any good regardless of the incumbents form. He's never done anything to indicate he'd do better than the bloke who was already in the side hence his "limited opportunities".

Apart from the fact that almost everytime MacGill gets to play for Australia he takes a bagfull of wickets?

Much better than a bloke who is struggling to keep his average below 30 after bowling to such quality opposition as Zimbabwe, West Indies, India and England.....Oh he definately deserves his spot! Good teams like SA and NZ will (and are) taking him apart. He is the weak link in the Aussie bowling....face facts. He has had one good series in 2-3 years, it's just not good enough....

MacGill is a match-winner, Warne used to be a match-winner....