Get off, Warne!

[Joe Mama]

Warney, although you have helped bring life into what once was a dying form of bowling (in the 80's the only regular leggie was Pakistan's Abdul Qadir), but ever since you've had your shoulder fixed, the magic seems to have faded, and I think that Stuart MacGill, should be given a go just to give your joints a rest, so you can come back for the world cup next year.

Also, I think that Brett Lee shouldn't be playing one-day cricket, because you need to be accurate to be a bowler in this version of the game (e.g Chris Harris, Andy Bichel), and he just isn't when it matters.

 

[Briedis]

Warnes stats so far in this series....less than impressive for a "strike" bowler.

Name Mat O M R W Best Ave Econ SR 4w 5w

GD McGrath 6 56.4 7 188 12 4-30 15.66 3.31 28.3 1 0
SK Warne 7 56 4 234 5 2-65 46.80 4.17 67.2 0 0

An average of almost 47 with a strike rate of not even one wicket a match.


Hopeless.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Briedis
Warnes stats so far in this series....less than impressive for a "strike" bowler.

Name Mat O M R W Best Ave Econ SR 4w 5w

GD McGrath 6 56.4 7 188 12 4-30 15.66 3.31 28.3 1 0
SK Warne 7 56 4 234 5 2-65 46.80 4.17 67.2 0 0

An average of almost 47 with a strike rate of not even one wicket a match.


Hopeless.

I have been saying this for quite a while now.
I have thought that MacGill was a better bowler for some time.

He outdoes Warne, not just at one-day level, but also at Test Level.

I think if given an actual reasonable chance (which he really hasn't, then he could be very dominant.)

His stats speak for themselves, I saw something in the paper once, where it had MacGills test record. And it was better after 15 matches, than any other spinner in the History of Australian Cricket. Not bad for a cricketer that is no good to be in the aussie team.

 

[Briedis]

G'day Mase. Nice to see your still around. How were the holidays?

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Briedis
G'day Mase. Nice to see your still around. How were the holidays?

Hey Mate!

Not too bad mate! Did you get holidays?

Hows things been?

Are you going to go down to the Swans - Essendon match at NSO. Going to be a bit of a bigfooty meet from what I hear!

 

[Fat Red]

Originally posted by TheMase


I have been saying this for quite a while now.
I have thought that MacGill was a better bowler for some time.

He outdoes Warne, not just at one-day level, but also at Test Level.

I think if given an actual reasonable chance (which he really hasn't, then he could be very dominant.)

His stats speak for themselves, I saw something in the paper once, where it had MacGills test record. And it was better after 15 matches, than any other spinner in the History of Australian Cricket. Not bad for a cricketer that is no good to be in the aussie team.

Mase, the stats you're looking at are McGrath's, not Macgill's.

Anyway, look at the most important stat there: 4.17. Compared to McGrath's 3.31 it doesn't look that good, but have a look in my Harvey thread...it's better than Warne's own career average, as well as all the bowlers in that thread.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by TheMase


Hey Mate!

Not too bad mate! Did you get holidays?

Hows things been?

Are you going to go down to the Swans - Essendon match at NSO. Going to be a bit of a bigfooty meet from what I hear!

Swans vs Essendon? God, I'd have to barrack for the umps....

When's it on?

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Briedis


Swans vs Essendon? God, I'd have to barrack for the umps....

When's it on?

lol .. Not nice!
10th of Feb I think mate
tickets are like 12.50 or sumthing
gotta get em soon though (so do i!)

 

[Briedis]

What.....they pay me $12.50 do they...Oh, I guess that eases the pain a little.

By the way Warnes average is almost 53 for the series now....he's going so bad that Steve Waugh has had to bring himself on!

 

[Briedis]

Hey, he just got Cairns. He was out smashing it down to long on...a well thought out wicket from Warne 1-50 from 8 overs.

 

[Dave]

Good to see you can post here after he's gone for a few but not after he's bowled well. It's always nice to see someone capable of even handedness.

 

[Visro]

Originally posted by Dave
Good to see you can post here after he's gone for a few but not after he's bowled well. It's always nice to see someone capable of even handedness.

1/56 is good?

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by Visro


1/56 is good?

Yeah what he said.

19 off his first over wasn't very encouraging.

 

[Groucho]

Originally posted by Visro


1/56 is good?

Not exactly "good" but in the context of his first over they're effin incredible!! In any case about 9 of those first over runs should be transferred to S.Waugh's rather ordinary bowling figures. I mean fancy bowling a spinner for the 15th over when you're only allowed 2 in the outfield and then putting 3 out there anyway causing a no-ball and a 7th ball 4!!

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Visro
1/56 is good?

Not particularly (though after 30 off 3 it was better than it looked like being!), and that's my point. People have been quick to post on this thread to slag Warne when he's performed poorly but are nowhere to be seen after he's bowled well (the match prior to last night).

 

[London Dave]

I recall the 99 WC Warney was getting whacked around a bit, but really bowled with zip in the semi and final. I agree with ya Dave, its easy to jump on a bloke after a couple of poor performances...and I thought he batted pretty well too. It is a team game after all, and a few of the players need to lift if we are gonna get any further me thinks.

 

[Briedis]

For a strike bowler 1/56 is terrible. He has never been a containment bowler, his job is to take wickets, and he hasn't been doing that....

When he DOES bowl well I will be the first to say so, but the fact is that he is not bowling well, especially against the Kiwis....

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Briedis
For a strike bowler 1/56 is terrible. He has never been a containment bowler, his job is to take wickets, and he hasn't been doing that....

Leg spinners are not strike weapons in one day cricket. To compare his stats to those of McGrath is ridiculous.

When he DOES bowl well I will be the first to say so,

I must have missed your post after the game on Australia Day (1/31 which included 4 overthrows, when the KIWIS, YES THE KIWIS made 241). And after the first game against the Proteas (1/19 off 10).

but the fact is that he is not bowling well, especially against the Kiwis....

Fact my arse. He's bowled well in two games and badly in two games against them. You are simply too blinkered to acknowledge his good performces.

 

[Briedis]

Dave, he is not the bowler he was. Face it. He is not feared as he once was, he does not take wickets like he once did. Too many times in one day cricket is the pressure created by the early bowlers let off when Warne comes on. He gives away runs too easily.

I agree with you though that 1/19 are OUTSTANDING stats for Warne. No doubt they will be his best this summer..

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Briedis
Dave, he is not the bowler he was. Face it.

Show me once where I have suggested that he is. That he is not what he was prior to the shoulder op does not mean he is no longer of any value to the Australain team.

He is not feared as he once was, he does not take wickets like he once did. Too many times in one day cricket is the pressure created by the early bowlers let off when Warne comes on. He gives away runs too easily.

Too many times my arse. Once this summer has the situation you've described occured.

I agree with you though that 1/19 are OUTSTANDING stats for Warne.

Outstanding for anyone as a matter of fact.

No doubt they will be his best this summer..

It aint over yet. We've still got a tour to RSA to go yet.

 

[Briedis]

I can think of two occasions against the kiwis now that he has allowed them to easily to up the scoring rate.

What's happened to his flipper? He can't bowl it anymore. He seems to have no plan when he is bowling.

1/19 is unusal for Warne these days. For McGrath that is normal. Warne is normally around the 1/50 range these days.

His usefullness in the test team is unquestioned. He is a quality bowler in the test arena, but in ODIs he is much less effective. He doesn't strike often enough and gives away easy runs. He has the odd good game, OK, but generally he is easy pickings. It's not his fault, not many one-day pitches turn a hell of a lot and with the loss of his other balls (flipper etc.) he has less variety and is too predictable to good batsmen.

 

[Dave]

In the first game in Brisbane when he came on Harvey had already gone for nine the previous over easing the pressure. His first over went for nine, the next over from Mcgrath went for seven. Warne's next over went for three. I would dispute that he was responsible for taking the pressure off given Harvey and Mcgrath's overs also got tonked.

In the game last night Steve Waugh ****ed up and that cost him at least half of the runs that came from the first over. Flemming knew that we did not have enough men inside the circle and as such he had a free hit, result four. The ABC commenrty commented that it was an unusual shot for him, now we know why. The last ball also went for four and should not have been bolwed at all. If you want to cast blame for easing the pressure (though at 2/50 odd after 14 it wasn't as though they had been nailed to the floor) have a look at the captain.

Only once in this series has McGrath gone close to conceding only 19 runs. His "normal" performace is closer to 2/34.

2/47
0/22
4/30
3/29 (9.4)
2/36
2/41

Average, 2.1 for 34 odd. IIRC it was much the same in last years one day series as well. Hardly 1/19.

Warne's stats.

0/37
1/19
2/65 (9)
0/48
1/13 (6)
1/33
1/56

Roughly 1/41, not quite 50.

Most bowlers effectiveness is reduced in ODI's given the rules in ODIous cricket are slanted firmly in favour of the batsmen.
Warne is not in the team as a strike bowler and he does not always give away easy runs. Usually when he plays well we win, ala WC 99. Unfortunately in this series our batting has been nothing short of abysmal, which has put more pressure on the bowlers than is normal. He's been tonked twice in seven games, in the other matches he's been ok. That's hardly easy pickings.

That you've shown yourself incapable of acknowledging his good performances at the time that they occur says to me that you've got a closed mind when it comes to his inclusion in the team.

 

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Dave
That you've shown yourself incapable of acknowledging his good performances at the time that they occur says to me that you've got a closed mind when it comes to his inclusion in the team.

What your stats show is that McGrath has taken 13 wickets to 6, and is conceeding around 10 less runs per innings. That justifies my argument, as well as the fact that McGrath performs consistently well, and Warne has the occasional good game. McGrath is getting more than 2 wickets per match, and Warne is struggling to get 1.

Face the fact that, for a main strike bowler, the stats you have provided are poor. Warne is supposed to be a match-winner, but he hardly features in one-day cricket anymore. Test cricket, OK. One-day cricket, no way.

But he did bat well last night. If you agree to get rid of the Hack Harvey and turn Warney into an all-rounder then we might be getting somewhere!

 

[Gordon Nöel]

SKW: currently being helplessly carted around the WACA. Living off past glories.

 

[Briedis]

Time to remove Warne from the Aussie one day side. Hopeless once again today, really never even looks like getting a wicket...