Ghosts

[NeRFaHoLIc]

I tend to believe the ones involving children a little bit more. I'm not saying what you said was true or false linda (not taking a pot shot at you). But I believe it more because young children wouldn't really know what a ghost is. They struggle to understand what death is sometimes, so it's hard to believe they would understand a spirit wandering the earth. When it comes to when your older, because you know what ghosts are, and say you see something odd, or you feel a weird sensation etc. you try and put an explanation to it and might say "Well gee it's a ghost".

But on the other hand, little children have wild imaginations. So who's to say they don't just have an imaginary friend (but then an argument could be made saying a little childs imaginary friend is actually a ghost).

But as is shown by this thread, it's near impossible to persuade someone to believe or not to believe in ghosts. You can gain as much evidence as possible, but it won't do any work. Either someone has seen a ghost, and believes without doubt that it was real. Or you've never seen a ghost or experienced anything to suggest they do believe, you need to see one to come to a conclusion.

One of my teachers believes that many people have seen ghosts, they just know it. He reckons that they look completely the same as living people, and unless you know that that person should be dead, you won't know they are a ghost. Interesting theory I reckon.

 

[BomberGal]

Supposedly this medium I went to see says that it is very common for children to see spirits but most grow out of it .With my daughter I know she isnt making it up because in as nice a fashion as possible she is as daft as a brush and not clever enough to make it all up .

lol, they call these "imaginary friends". All children insist their imaginary friends are real. Your daughter, "in as nice a fashion as possible", is nothing special.

 

[Thrawn]

its called scientific research.I am not a scientist, i dont have a phd.. i am merely telling what those guys found out when examining EVP.

"Google results" is scientific research? Give me some examples please.

Would you mind to give an example of a haunted house where scientists couldnt find an answer?

Sure. Bell Witch.

i believe in aliens as well, but its a BELIEF.That is the key word.I believe in lot of other things as well. People believe in ghosts because religion states when we die, our soul survives.In continents like Africa, for example, , they use voodoo to call those souls.(so they believe).

Well of course. But I'm not so arrogant as to think we're the only ones in this vast universe.

How many scientists have examined voodoo now you know? the best medium in the world james vaan praagh is a fraud and its proven.We are prone to believe in paranormal and this is why shows like X files are massive hits in the US. (i am not saying this, research says that)

No, because they're actually entertaining.

Besides, I don't believe in voodoo and there are a lot of frauds out there.

America is a western country and its more comparable to Australia, than say, India for example.In India, almost everyone believe in ghosts.You have to study their culture for that.Same in africa.I lived in africa for 2 years and if you tell them that you are an atheist, they will consider you as a low life (that is a fact).They take it as a serious offense.

So what you're saying is that globally a lot of people believe that ghosts exist?

I got the statistic from here

That is your source? From someone's blog.

ROFL!

The link he provides doesn't even work! And I wonder how they surveyed each and every American on the subject issue.

 

[linda]

lol, they call these "imaginary friends". All children insist their imaginary friends are real. Your daughter, "in as nice a fashion as possible", is nothing special.

Well i didnt actually say she was anything special if you look I said that the medium says a lot of children have this ability .Surely imaginary friends arent the same and how does someone explain the medium knowing where firstly smy daughter see the girl and secondly my mums name and thats just for starters .There as been way to much detail

 

[NeRFaHoLIc]

Sure. Bell Witch.

Have you seen An American Haunting based on this Thrawn? Is that not the worst movie ever. They pump it up saying it's the only case in the history of the world where a ghost has caused a human to die. But how do they explain it in this movie?

Highlight to reveal in case you plan on seeing this shit movie:

The 'ghost' attacks on the daughter were her repressed memories of her father abusing her. And when the mother finds out she poisons the father. So can someone explain to me how a movie based on a 'death caused by ghost' can have that kind of ending?

 

[Kerrby]

Well i didnt actually say she was anything special if you look I said that the medium says a lot of children have this ability .Surely imaginary friends arent the same and how does someone explain the medium knowing where firstly smy daughter see the girl and secondly my mums name and thats just for starters .There as been way to much detail

BomberGal seems like she has no clue linda so don't worry about what she says. Shes just trying to work people up because she probably has no life(Could turn into a ghost joke ) and insists on pissing people off.

 

[Escude]

"Google results" is scientific research? Give me some examples please.

http://csicop.org/specialarticles/evp.html

Before you dismiss it, go through the article the first.Funny all EVP believers are paranormal researchers or ghost hunters.I am yet to see any scientific backup for EVP

Sure. Bell Witch.

http://paranormal.about.com/od/trueghoststories/a/aa041706_2.htm
dont you find it interesting that a guy challenges bell witch and only according to some versions of the story he encountered the witch? funny in his book, he never mentioned anything about witches he encountered... but i guess that should work for the believers

Well of course. But I'm not so arrogant as to think we're the only ones in this vast universe.

Arrogance? wait a minute, 1 billion africans believe in voodoo, and you are telling me you dont believe in voodoo?and you are telling me that they are idiots? we dont know whats out there in the universe.Say time travel is possible, then why cant you see someone from the future in our world right now?? thats right, cause those things are not possible.

No, because they're actually entertaining.

Besides, I don't believe in voodoo and there are a lot of frauds out there.

There are frauds everywhere.Name one area where you cant find frauds?? Again, there are many people who can confirm (not african ones) that voodoo is a reality.So if you believe in EVP and EVP is indeed a reality, you dont think there are frauds out there? just by listening to some of the EVP recordings, it makes me laugh...one recording even called the webmaster by his name and told him he looks cute ROFL....nice.

So what you're saying is that globally a lot of people believe that ghosts exist?

We are programmed to believe in these things, you have to understand why.Paranormal sells, that is a fact.People believe in god, ghosts,witches, ouijja boards,crystal balls etc because we like to believe something out of the ordinary. Religion plays a big part in it, religion teaches us about souls, spirits etc and this is why we are prone to these kinds of thoughts.Doesnt mean they are true.If you read Richard Dawkins "A selfish gene" he clearly stated what i stated.Its our "habit" to believe in these things.Just to prove my fact about india and paranormal, here is an article you would like to read? millions of indians believed in it including 10,000 students.If you did the same in USA for example, people would be skeptical.This is what i am trying to tell you here, religion plays a huge part in these beliefs

That is your source? From someone's blog.

ROFL!

The link he provides doesn't even work! And I wonder how they surveyed each and every American on the subject issue.

You havent even read it have you? Gallup Corporation conducted a poll, the blog just reported it...here is an article.... read it by yourself, which exactly confirms what i told you.73% americans believe in paranormal...why? just because they want to

On a final note, you dont need to survey each and every person to draw a conclusion.Havent heard much of statistics? statistics work that way unfortunately.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_5_29/ai_n15400020

 

[BomberGal]

BomberGal seems like she has no clue linda so don't worry about what she says. Shes just trying to work people up because she probably has no life(Could turn into a ghost joke ) and insists on pissing people off.

Wow, you're awfully cynical and bastardly for a n00b who isn't even familiar with my posts (hey try reading the SRP board).

I guess I do have no life if I'm here refuting shit like "ghosts are real".

Yeah that's what I'm really doing. Just here to piss people off. Secretly I believe in this paranormal mumbo jumbo for which there's not a shred of evidence, and I really do agree with the fifty odd percent of people (i.e. idiots) on this site who believe in ghosts...

 

[ice ice baby]

My only "ghost/paranormal/etc' experience

Back in the early 80s my brother lived alone in a rented house & being a teenager it was a great place to get on the piss & have a party.

After a few months a few strange things began to happen ....The dog would be sound asleep & suddenly jump up & chase something from room to room for a few minutes & then settle down like nothing had happened.

We used to get a good laugh out of this till the books ( a collection of readers digests )on bookshelves around the loungeroom wall started flipping back one after the other like dominoes.... freaked me & my girlfriend out .... She refused to go back there for months & months & when we finally went back to babysit my niece(he used to look after his daughter on hols) one night it was the final straw for me.

My brother had told me that lately the manhole cover (in the bathroom ) would be half open some days ...he would replace it ..& then a few days later it would be sitting half off again. He told me that one day when he came home from work he started running a bath looked up & the cover was on .....he went to the bedroom to get some clothes ,re-entered the bathroom & the cover was half off .

He had had enough & thought that someone must be playing a joke on him or there was someone hiding/living in the ceiling & coming out during the day.
He grabbed his rifle & a torch & jumped straight up onto a chair & into the ceiling..Had alook & all he saw was cobwebs & dust..no one had been up there for ages.

Anyway on the night we were babysitting i went to the bathroom had a look & the cover was on , after watching tv for about 2 hrs i thought i would be a hero & told her i was going to check the Manhole cover.
Walked into the bathroom & here it was half off..f**k me, my heart stopped .

I walked back into the loungeroom & she knew what i had seen (said i was white as a sheet & shaking)..She wanted to leave right away ,but i talked her into staying till my brother got home ...

He moved out not long after that & we tried to find out some history about the place ,but never found out anything bad.Seemed to be an ordinary surburban home.
We thought that the cover might have moved due to updraughts on windy days ,but it had happened on still days ,so we ruled that out ..If the house was settling or moving then we would have heard or felt it.

He swore he heard footsteps at different times ,but also said that besides being freaked out by the moving cover he had never felt anything bad or oppresive in the house.

About 5 yrs ago my daughter was going out with a boy who's mother lived in the house.
When i went to pick her up one day i went in & had a look .The whole place had been renovated & looked completely different. I told them about my brother's experiences ,but they had never had any problems.

The above story is true( i would swear on my kids lives) & is my only experience with something i couldn't explain.

 

[Kerrby]

Wow, you're awfully cynical and bastardly for a n00b who isn't even familiar with my posts (hey try reading the SRP board).

I guess I do have no life if I'm here refuting shit like "ghosts are real".

Yeah that's what I'm really doing. Just here to piss people off. Secretly I believe in this paranormal mumbo jumbo for which there's not a shred of evidence, and I really do agree with the fifty odd percent of people (i.e. idiots) on this site who believe in ghosts...

You say that half the site are idiots, seeing that you're an essendon supporter can you say that? I mean it might be difficult with no teeth.

 

[linda]

Wow, you're awfully cynical and bastardly for a n00b who isn't even familiar with my posts (hey try reading the SRP board).

I guess I do have no life if I'm here refuting shit like "ghosts are real".

Yeah that's what I'm really doing. Just here to piss people off. Secretly I believe in this paranormal mumbo jumbo for which there's not a shred of evidence, and I really do agree with the fifty odd percent of people (i.e. idiots) on this site who believe in ghosts...

You are correct I for one have spotted a topic and thought I will completly waste my time by lying to a complete bunch of strangers.Im sure all the other posters thought the same

 

[NeRFaHoLIc]

How many people would volunteer to go into a 'haunted' house by themselves and stay an entire night?

I'd give it ago, whether I lasted the entire night I don't know.

 

[Croat tiger]

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[NeRFaHoLIc]

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If I hadn't seen that clip before, you'd think that Godzilla was going to come out of nowhere and tear the shit out of the parking lot.

 

[Kerrby]

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Fake. Read the comments.

 

[Tim the Toolman]

Ghosts?! I thought you said Goats?

 

[serbkoolie]

 

[serbkoolie]

This portrait of "The Brown Lady" ghost is arguably the most famous and well-regarded ghost photograph ever taken. The ghost is thought to be that of Lady Dorothy Townshend, wife of Charles Townshend, 2nd Viscount of Raynham, residents of Raynham Hall in Norfolk, England in the early 1700s. It was rumored that Dorothy, before her marriage to Charles, had been the mistress of Lord Wharton. Charles suspected Dorothy of infidelity. Although according to legal records she died and was buried in 1726, it was suspected that the funeral was a sham and that Charles had locked his wife away in a remote corner of the house until her death many years later.
Dorothy's ghost is said to haunt the oak staircase and other areas of Raynham Hall. In the early 1800s, King George IV, while staying at Raynham, saw the figure of a woman in a brown dress standing beside his bed. She was seen again standing in the hall in 1835 by Colonel Loftus, who was visiting for the Christmas holidays. He saw her again a week later and described her as wearing a brown satin dress, her skin glowing with a pale luminescence. It also seemed to him that her eyes had been gouged out. A few years later, Captain Frederick Marryat and two friends saw "the Brown Lady" gliding along an upstairs hallway, carrying a lantern. As she passed, Marryat said, she grinned at the men in a "diabolical manner." Marryat fired a pistol at the apparition, but the bullet simply passed through.
This famous photo was taken in September, 1936 by Captain Provand and Indre Shira, two photographers who were assigned to photograph Raynham Hall for Country Life magazine. This is what happened, according to Shira:
"Captain Provand took one photograph while I flashed the light. He was focusing for another exposure; I was standing by his side just behind the camera with the flashlight pistol in my hand, looking directly up the staircase. All at once I detected an ethereal veiled form coming slowly down the stairs. Rather excitedly, I called out sharply: 'Quick, quick, there's something.' I pressed the trigger of the flashlight pistol. After the flash and on closing the shutter, Captain Provand removed the focusing cloth from his head and turning to me said: 'What's all the excitement about?'"
Upon developing the film, the image of The Brown Lady ghost was seen for the first time. It was published in the December 16, 1936 issue of Country Life. The ghost has been seen occasionally since.

 

[serbkoolie]

This photograph of the Combermere Abbey library was taken in 1891 by Sybell Corbet. The figure of a man can faintly be seen sitting in the chair to the left. His head, collar and right arm on the armrest are clearly discernable. It is believed to be the ghost of Lord Combermere.
Lord Combermere was a British cavalry commander in the early 1800s, who distinguished himself in several military campaigns. Combermere Abbey, located in Cheshire, England, was founded by Benedictine monks in 1133. In 1540, King Henry VII kicked out the Benedictines, and the Abbey later became the Seat of Sir George Cotton KT, Vice Chamberlain to the household of Prince Edward, son of Henry VIII. In 1814, Sir Stapleton Cotton, a descendent of Sir George, took the title "Lord Combermere" and in 1817 became became the Governor of Barbados. Today the Abbey is a tourist attraction and hotel.
Lord Combermere died in 1891, having been struck and killed by a horse-drawn carriage. At the time Sybell Corbet took the above photo, Combermere's funeral was taking place some four miles away. The photographic exposure, Corbet recorded, took about an hour. It is thought by some that during that time a servant might have come into the room and sat briefly in the chair, creating the transparent image. This idea was refuted by members of the household, however, testifying that all were attending Lord Combermere's funeral.
Interesting side note: Lord Combermere is connected to another well-known paranormal story: the famous "Moving Coffins" of Barbados. The coffins inside the sealed vault of the Chase family are said to have been moved about by unnatural forces. The heavy coffins were repeatedly put in proper order, but often when a new coffin was added to the vault, the coffins were found strewn about. Lord Combermere, while governor of Barbados, had ordered a professional investigation of the mystery.

 

[serbkoolie]

This intriguing photo, taken in 1919, was first published in 1975 by Sir Victor Goddard, a retired R.A.F. officer. The photo is a group portrait of Goddard's squadron, which had served in World War I aboard the HMS Daedalus. An extra ghostly face appears in the photo. In back of the airman positioned on the top row, fourth from the left, can clearly be seen the face of another man. It is said to be the face of Freddy Jackson, an air mechanic who had been accidentally killed by an airplane propeller two days earlier. His funeral had taken place on the day this photograph was snapped. Members of the squadron easily recognized the face as Jackson's. It has been suggested that Jackson, unaware of his death, decided to show up for the group photo.
Interesting side note: In 1935, Sir Victor Goddard, now a Wing Commander, had another brush with the unexplained. While on a flight from Edinburgh, Scotland to his home base in Andover, England, he encountered a strange storm that seemed to transport him through time into the future. You can read more about his experience in the article "Time Travelers" under the section "Flight Into the Future."

 

[serbkoolie]

Rev. Ralph Hardy, a retired clergyman from White Rock, British Columbia, took this now-famous photograph in 1966. He intended merely to photograph the elegant spiral staircase (known as the "Tulip Staircase") in the Queen's House section of the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, England. Upon development, however, the photo revealed a shrouded figure climbing the stairs, seeming to hold the railing with both hands. Experts, including some from Kodak, who examined the original negative concluded that it had not been tampered with. It's been said that unexplained figures have been seen on occasion in the vicinity of the staircase, and unexplained footsteps have also been heard.
Interesting side note: This photo isn't the only evidence of ghostly activity at the Queen's House. The 400-year-old building is credited with several other apparitions and phantom footsteps even today. Recently, a Gallery Assistant was discussing a tea break with two colleagues when he saw one of the doors to the Bridge Room close by itself. At first he thought it was one of the lecturers. "Then I saw a woman glide across the balcony, and pass through the wall on the west balcony," he said. "I couldn't believe what I saw. I went very cold and the hair on my arms and my neck stood on end. We all dashed through to the Queen's Presents Room and looked down towards the Queen's Bedroom. Something passed through the ante-room and out through the wall. Then my colleagues all froze too. The lady was dressed in a white-grey colour crinoline type dress."
Other ghostly goings-on include the unexplained choral chanting of children, the figure of a pale woman frantically mopping blood at the bottom of the Tulip Staircase (it's said that 300 years ago a maid was thrown from the highest banister, plunging 50 feet to her death), slamming doors, and even tourists being pinched by unseen fingers.

 

[serbkoolie]

Mrs. Mabel Chinnery was visiting the grave of her mother one day in 1959. She had brought along her camera to take photographs of the gravesite. After snapping a few shots of her mother's gravestone, she took an impromptu photo of her husband, who was waiting alone in the car. At least the Chinnerys thought he was alone.
When the film was developed, the couple was more than surprised to see a figure wearing glasses sitting in the back seat of the car. Mrs. Chinnery immediately recognized the image of her mother – the woman whose grave they had visited on that day. A photographic expert who examined the print determined that the image of the woman was neither a reflection nor a double exposure. "I stake my reputation on the fact that the picture is genuine," he testified.

 

[serbkoolie]

"This is the photo that changed my opinion about ghost photos," says Terry Ike Clanton, who runs the TombstoneArizona.com website. Clanton is an actor, recording artist and cowboy poet, and is also a cousin of the legendary Clanton Gang who clashed with the Earps and Doc Holliday at the famous gunfight at OK Corral. Clanton took this photo of his friend at Boothill Graveyard. The photo was taken in black and white because he wanted Old West-looking pictures of himself dressed in Clanton's 1880-period clothes. Clanton took the film for developing to the local Thrifty Drug Store, and when he got it back was startled at what he saw. Among the gravestones, just to the right of his friend, is the image of what appears to be a thin man in a dark hat. By height, the man appears to be either legless, kneeling... or rising up out of the ground.
"I know there was no other person in this photograph when I shot it," Clanton insists. And he believes the small figure in the background is holding a knife. "We thought this was a tie at first, but after further review, it appears to be a knife," Clanton says. "The knife is in a vertical position; the tip is located just below the figure's right collar. If you're not convinced that something is weird here, look at my friend's shadow in the photo. It appears to be going back slightly to the right of him. The figure in the back should have the same shadow, but it doesn't!"

 

[serbkoolie]

On November 19, 1995, Wem Town Hall in Shropshire, England burned to the ground. Many spectators gathered to watch the old building, built in 1905, as it was being consumed by the flames. Tony O'Rahilly, a local resident, was one of those onlookers and took photos of the spectacle with a 200mm telephoto lens from across the street. One of those photos shows what looks like a small, partially transparent girl standing in the doorway. Nether O'Rahilly nor any of the other onlookers or firefighters recalled seeing the girl there.
O'Rahilly submitted the photo to the Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena which, in turn, presented it for analysis to Dr. Vernon Harrison, a photographic expert and former president of the Royal Photographic Society. Harrison carefully examined both the print and the original negative, and concluded that it was genuine. "The negative is a straightforward piece of black-and-white work and shows no sign of having been tampered with," Harrison said.
But who is the little girl? Wem, a quiet market town in northern Shropshire, had been ravaged by fire in the past. In 1677, historical records note, a fire destroyed many of the town's old timber houses. A young girl named Jane Churm, the legends say, accidentally set fire to a thatched roof with a candle. Many believed her ghost haunted the area and had been seen on a few other occasions.

 

[serbkoolie]

James Courtney and Michael Meehan, crew members of the S.S. Watertown, were cleaning a cargo tank of the oil tanker as it sailed toward the Panama Canal from New York City in December of 1924. Through a freak accident, the two men were overcome by gas fumes and killed. As was the custom of the time, the sailors were buried at sea off the Mexican coast on December 4.
But this was not the last the remaining crew members were to see of their unfortunate shipmates. The next day, before dusk, the first mate reported seeing the faces of the two men in the waves off the port side of the ship. They remained in the water for 10 seconds, then faded. For several days thereafter, the phantom-like faces of the sailors were clearly seen by other members of the crew in the water following the ship.
On arrival in New Orleans, the ship's captain, Keith Tracy, reported the strange events to his employers, the Cities Service Company, who suggested he try to photograph the eerie faces. Captain Tracy purchased a camera for the continuing voyage. When the faces again appeared in the water, Captain Tracy took six photos, then locked the camera and film in the ship's safe. When the film was processed by a commercial developer in New York, five of the exposures showed nothing but sea foam. But the sixth showed the ghostly faces of the doomed seamen. The negative was checked for fakery by the Burns Detective Agency. After the ship's crew had been changed, there were no more reports of sightings.