Analysis Goal Kicking - 2017

[Jeremias]

There has been plenty said about our forward line heading into 2017, with the expectation largely being that we will struggle to kick winning scores this year.

Whilst that may well be the case I am nonetheless buoyant about the talent we have developing forward of centre and look forward to tracking that development as the season progresses.

Thursday night whilst we obviously fell well short of the Tigers, I was pleased we managed to kick 14 majors. Even more pleasing was that those 14 goals came from 8 different players.

This is absolutely crucial for us this year - we do not have one dominant force in the forward line so it is crucial we continue to find multiple avenues to goal.

Last year we saw Wright lead our goal kicking with just 22 goals - who will it be in 2017, and how many will they kick?

I will keep an updated tally in the OP.

R1 vs Richmond
3 - Jacob Weitering, Matthew Wright
2 - Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kreuzer
1 - Bryce Gibbs, Dennis Armfield, Dale Thomas, Levi Casboult

R2 vs Melbourne
3 - Matthew Wright
1 - Dennis Armfield, Levi Casboult, Marc Murphy, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jarrod Pickett, Ed Curnow

R3 vs Essendon
2 - Marc Murphy
1 - Matthew Kreuzer, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Ed Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Sam Kerridge

R4 vs Gold Coast
3 - Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni
1 - Jacob Weitering, Ed Curnow, Jarrod Pickett, Kade Simpson, Sam Rowe, Zac Fisher

R5 vs Port Adelaide
4 - Levi Casboult
1 - Jack Silvagni, Bryce Gibbs

R6 vs Sydney
4 - Matthew Wright
2 - Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
1 - Jacob Weitering, Ed Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Patrick Cripps, Kade Simpson, Billie Smedts, Charlie Curnow

R7 vs Collingwood
2 - Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright, Sam Petrevski-Seton
1 - Jacob Weitering, Bryce Gibbs, Kade Simpson, Dale Thomas, Charlie Curnow, Nick Graham

R8 vs St Kilda
2 - Jack Silvagni, Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps
1 - Jacob Weitering, Bryce Gibbs, Charlie Curnow, Tom Williamson

R9 vs Fremantle
2 - Levi Casboult
1 - Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy, Dale Thomas, Sam Docherty, Zac Fisher

R10 vs North Melbourne
3 - Bryce Gibbs
2 - Levi Casboult, Charlie Curnow, Sam Docherty, David Cuningham
1 - Matthew Wright, Marc Murphy, Patrick Cripps, Liam Sumner

R11 - BYE

R12 vs GWS
2 - Matthew Wright, David Cuningham
1 - Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Jed Lamb

R13 vs GC
2 - Jack Silvagni, Bryce Gibbs, Dale Thomas
1 - Matthew Wright, Sam Petrevki-Seton, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow, Jed Lamb, Blaine Boekhorst

R14 vs Richmond
2 - Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer
1 - Matthew Wright, Charlie Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Dale Thomas

R15 vs Adelaide
2 - Levi Casboult, Bryce Gibbs
1 - Matthew Wright, Jack Silvagni, Charlie Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Dale Thomas, David Cuningham, Sam Kerridge, Liam Sumner

R16 vs Melbourne
3 - Jack Silvagni
2 - Matthew Wright, Charlie Curnow, Marc Murphy
1 - Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer, Sam Petrevski-Seton

Total (as at the conclusion of R16)
23 - Levi Casboult
20 - Matthew Wright
15 - Jack Silvagni
13 - Bryce Gibbs
10 - Charlie Curnow
9 - Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy
7 - Jacob Weitering, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Patrick Cripps, Dale Thomas
6 - Ed Curnow
5 - David Cuningham
3 - Kade Simpson, Sam Docherty
2 - Dennis Armfield, Jarrod Pickett, Zac Fisher, Jed Lamb, Sam Kerridge, Liam Sumner
1- Sam Rowe, Billie Smedts, Nick Graham, Tom Williamson, Blaine Boekhorst

 

[bluemahogany]

If Weitering keeps switching then I will say Jack and think he could kick around 35. If Weitering stays permanent, I don't think it would be too outlandish to suggest he could get to 40. Good thing about those two are that they are beautiful kicks of the footy and will make the most of their opportunities.

 

[Jabba73]

We will need to leave Weitering forward, should win in a canter if we do.

 

[therubbernub]

I am tipping Levi to hit a purple patch round 3 maybe

 

[Beer n Skittles]

People talk about Casboult making the oppositions best defender accountable but he never does. Sitting back & waving for the long kick in makes it so easy for opponents to cover a zone & get there when the kick comes in.

Weitering appears to be the key to our forward line. He actually did make Rance accountable by covering a heap of ground & making good leads. Set up goals for Wright & Silvagni with his great disposal & awareness, kicked 3 himself, kept Rance out of the game.

 

[jezzajay]

Go Jack!

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I would suggest if Weitering stays forward the whole season he should top it in a canter.

 

[BigFrizz36]

People talk about Casboult making the oppositions best defender accountable but he never does. Sitting back & waving for the long kick in makes it so easy for opponents to cover a zone & get there when the kick comes in.

Weitering appears to be the key to our forward line. He actually did make Rance accountable by covering a heap of ground & making good leads. Set up goals for Wright & Silvagni with his great disposal & awareness, kicked 3 himself, kept Rance out of the game.

Subtle changes in round 1 with the forward line in round 1. With Weitering playing mobile CHF (not unlike a young Nick Riewoldt) means that Levi was more a 2nd ruck/forward. Worked pretty well I thought as I thought that we won the rucks overall and Kruezer/Casbolt kicked 3 (nearly 4). Think that Levis main opposition for a spot will come from Phillips when he is back. If Levi was to go as F.A. agent I think that his value is far higher as a hybrid ruck/forward (especially if his kicking holds up) than as a KPF. Plenty of teams looking for one of these and would probably get a 2nd rounder as opposed to a 3rd rounder as a KPF. Could for example be rucking against Jack Watts for a period this week and would clean him up.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Subtle changes in round 1 with the forward line in round 1. With Weitering playing mobile CHF (not unlike a young Nick Riewoldt) means that Levi was more a 2nd ruck/forward. Worked pretty well I thought as I thought that we won the rucks overall and Kruezer/Casbolt kicked 3 (nearly 4). Think that Levis main opposition for a spot will come from Phillips when he is back. If Levi was to go as F.A. agent I think that his value is far higher as a hybrid ruck/forward (especially if his kicking holds up) than as a KPF. Plenty of teams looking for one of these and would probably get a 2nd rounder as opposed to a 3rd rounder as a KPF. Could for example be rucking against Jack Watts for a period this week and would clean him up.

Would never get a 2nd rounder for Levi. Thats crazy, Travis Cloke just got traded for pick 76. He's won a premiership and has a far higher ceiling than Levi. Levi is 27 and never once shown anything close to Clokes best. Plus Levi's rucking in our own defensive 50 led to at least 2 Richmond goals directly from the stoppage. We'd be lucky to get what we gave for Palmer IMO.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Subtle changes in round 1 with the forward line in round 1. With Weitering playing mobile CHF (not unlike a young Nick Riewoldt) means that Levi was more a 2nd ruck/forward. Worked pretty well I thought as I thought that we won the rucks overall and Kruezer/Casbolt kicked 3 (nearly 4). Think that Levis main opposition for a spot will come from Phillips when he is back. If Levi was to go as F.A. agent I think that his value is far higher as a hybrid ruck/forward (especially if his kicking holds up) than as a KPF. Plenty of teams looking for one of these and would probably get a 2nd rounder as opposed to a 3rd rounder as a KPF. Could for example be rucking against Jack Watts for a period this week and would clean him up.

Yeah Casboult has decent value as a forward/ruck, if he could perform this year just as his RFA comes up it's be perfect.

Would never get a 2nd rounder for Levi. Thats crazy, Travis Cloke just got traded for pick 76. He's won a premiership and has a far higher ceiling than Levi. Levi is 27 and never once shown anything close to Clokes best. Plus Levi's rucking in our own defensive 50 led to at least 2 Richmond goals directly from the stoppage. We'd be lucky to get what we gave for Palmer IMO.

You're talking about a trade but at the end of the year Casboult is a restricted free agent. So you're half right, no-one would give up anything for him. If it all works out we could get tier 3 compo & end up back in the 2nd round

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Yeah Casboult has decent value as a forward/ruck, if he could perform this year just as his RFA comes up it's be perfect.


You're talking about a trade but at the end of the year Casboult is a restricted free agent. So you're half right, no-one would give up anything for him. If it all works out we could get tier 3 compo & end up back in the 2nd round

The compensation formula is cloudy and unclear but it depends on length of contract and dollar value of that contract. Levi isn't going to net much of anything in either of those categories. Are compensation picks handed out further back in the draft...?

 

[BigFrizz36]

Would never get a 2nd rounder for Levi. Thats crazy, Travis Cloke just got traded for pick 76. He's won a premiership and has a far higher ceiling than Levi. Levi is 27 and never once shown anything close to Clokes best. Plus Levi's rucking in our own defensive 50 led to at least 2 Richmond goals directly from the stoppage. We'd be lucky to get what we gave for Palmer IMO.

Proably should have given more info. 2nd rounder if his kicking holds up, can kick 2 goals a game and ruck competitively for 30% of the game. Kind of like Leigh Brown who was rubbish at Freo, bog average at North and a key component in a premiership team when he moved to Collingwood at 27.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Proably should have given more info. 2nd rounder if his kicking holds up, can kick 2 goals a game and ruck competitively for 30% of the game. Kind of like Leigh Brown who was rubbish at Freo, bog average at North and a key component in a premiership team when he moved to Collingwood at 27.

And of course Ty Vickery who netted Richmond a second rounder last year at 26. Its not what a team is prepared to trade as a F.A. but more what they are prepared to pay Levi that determines what we receive. Granted he would need to put together a strong year but will still be 27 at the end of the season.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

The compensation formula is cloudy and unclear but it depends on length of contract and dollar value of that contract. Levi isn't going to net much of anything in either of those categories. Are compensation picks handed out further back in the draft...?

There's 5 tiers with the last one just after your pick in the 3rd.
Casboult is a couple of years younger than Mayne but wouldn't get offered as much. Probably wishful thinking that we'd get a 2nd rounder like Freo did

 

[Masqualero]

Probably between Wright and Silvagni as they will be forward every game they play as opposed to weits who will change positions through the year.

 

[Styxx]

Would never get a 2nd rounder for Levi. Thats crazy, Travis Cloke just got traded for pick 76. He's won a premiership and has a far higher ceiling than Levi. Levi is 27 and never once shown anything close to Clokes best. Plus Levi's rucking in our own defensive 50 led to at least 2 Richmond goals directly from the stoppage. We'd be lucky to get what we gave for Palmer IMO.

You also need to keep in mind Collingwood had made it so clear that they couldn't wait to get rid of him that they had no bargaining power at the trade table,

Think complete opposite to the Gibbs scenario.

Levi's kicking looked slightly better, just hoping Sav pays off.

 

[HalAlaric]

Gone w/ Kreuz. Should score at least one per game while rucking and can see that lifting when Phillips returns and he rests up forward.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I am tipping Levi to hit a purple patch round 3 maybe

Can't see him hitting any purple patches until round 9. That's when we play Freo.

 

[therubbernub]

Proably should have given more info. 2nd rounder if his kicking holds up, can kick 2 goals a game and ruck competitively for 30% of the game. Kind of like Leigh Brown who was rubbish at Freo, bog average at North and a key component in a premiership team when he moved to Collingwood at 27.

2 goals a game. Thats 50 goals for the year. Thats a purple patch. would we then want to give him the flick?

 

[Jeremias]

OP updated to include the Melbourne game.

With another 3 goals Wright has already put some separation between himself and the rest of the pack. Good to see that the inconsistency which has previously plagued his career from year to year doesn't seem to have set in in 2017.

There is obviously a long way to go, but if he's going to be a consistent threat around goals it's hard to see who is going to stop him from leading our goal kicking tally for a second year in a row.

Amazingly, nobody seems to have voted for him. Except me....just now.

 

[Smegger]

I'll take the roughy. Palmer

 

[Bluella]

Picked Wright for consistency and reliability. Weiterbot will likely swing and Jack might need another year before he leads our table.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Who voted for daisy

 

[Aphrodite]

Who voted for daisy

I know but I aint telling




#permaban

 

[Jabba73]

I did but I aint admitting




#permaban