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Club Focus Gold Coast 2021 - Chol, Andrew, Constable

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Supersuns said:
Then he stays at the Crows. No-one in their right mind is paying the Crows more than pick a late teen pick for Laird. I'd prefer Crouch and even then I don't see the appeal
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Seriously underrating Laird here. Bloke was elite down back and has now turned himself into an elite midfielder. Would walk into almost every 22 in the league one way or another.

Moot point anyway as he’s re-signed long term with the Crows.
 
Scratchy05 said:
It fills needs though and they don't necessarily need another young player. Could request a Tom Mitchell or a Ben McEVoy if they're trying to be bold
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Why give up a top 5 pick for a washed 32yo ruckman or a 28yo crab inside mid with no hurt factor? You’re literally giving up the 7th best selection (assume Darcy/Daicos go before 5) and maybe 15 years of that player (who’ll start cheap) for 2-3 years of expensive top up that you don’t need.

McEvoy from a leadership POV might make sense but I wouldn’t give a pick inside 50 for him in 2021.
 
carnthedons said:
Why give up a top 5 pick for a washed 32yo ruckman or a 28yo crab inside mid with no hurt factor? You’re literally giving up the 7th best selection (assume Darcy/Daicos go before 5) and maybe 15 years of that player (who’ll start cheap) for 2-3 years of expensive top up that you don’t need.

McEvoy from a leadership POV might make sense but I wouldn’t give a pick inside 50 for him in 2021.
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Gold Coast have a historically poor record of talent retention. If they squander a few more years, there is every chance a Lukosius, Rankine or King leaves, which re-starts the whole process. Right now, young talent isn't the issue at the Gold Coast. It is very likely pick 7 spends his first season in the VFL if Holland's and Flanders are anything to go by.

McEvoy while getting older, provides ruck depth and can support in either the forward line or back line for the next year or 2. He is far from washed currently but probably only has 1-2 years left. Breast in my eyes is still a top 5 smaller forward and has played very well this year in a struggling forward outfit. He has 3-5 years left. Jack Gunston had a great season last year but has battled injury this year. He helps relieve pressure off Ben King and Corbett. Can play as an up the ground link. Probably has 2-4 years left. Mitchell is a Good player, regardless of what you say and instantly helps the Gold Coast midfield. He has 3-5 years left.

So Gold Coast could theoretically select a 15 year player but they could also select a player for 5 years and he leaves due to lack of opportunity or gets injured. This way, Gold Coast get anywhere between of 9-16 years out of best 22 players. To me, that shows thay this deal is more than fair, if anything, hawthorn would be paying overs for pick 7.

A forgotten aspect is that not only does this make them instantly better and competitive in the lower end of finals, but having all this experience will help with the development of younger players. Breast can help the smalls, Mitchell the mids, Gunston the key forwards and McEvoy the Rucks. If hawthorn offer this, it is a no brainer that Gold Coast accept.
 
Scratchy05 said:
Gold Coast have a historically poor record of talent retention. If they squander a few more years, there is every chance a Lukosius, Rankine or King leaves, which re-starts the whole process. Right now, young talent isn't the issue at the Gold Coast. It is very likely pick 7 spends his first season in the VFL if Holland's and Flanders are anything to go by.

McEvoy while getting older, provides ruck depth and can support in either the forward line or back line for the next year or 2. He is far from washed currently but probably only has 1-2 years left. Breast in my eyes is still a top 5 smaller forward and has played very well this year in a struggling forward outfit. He has 3-5 years left. Jack Gunston had a great season last year but has battled injury this year. He helps relieve pressure off Ben King and Corbett. Can play as an up the ground link. Probably has 2-4 years left. Mitchell is a Good player, regardless of what you say and instantly helps the Gold Coast midfield. He has 3-5 years left.

So Gold Coast could theoretically select a 15 year player but they could also select a player for 5 years and he leaves due to lack of opportunity or gets injured. This way, Gold Coast get anywhere between of 9-16 years out of best 22 players. To me, that shows thay this deal is more than fair, if anything, hawthorn would be paying overs for pick 7.

A forgotten aspect is that not only does this make them instantly better and competitive in the lower end of finals, but having all this experience will help with the development of younger players. Breast can help the smalls, Mitchell the mids, Gunston the key forwards and McEvoy the Rucks. If hawthorn offer this, it is a no brainer that Gold Coast accept.
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And they’ll probably cost $1.5mil between the three and they would lose players because of it.
 

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RowellAnderson12 said:
If we ask Tom Mitchell, we may aswell ask Matt Crouch for free as a RFA
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Also, are mids an issue?
Id have thought ruck KPF and pressure small forward.

Suns arent leaking goals and the middle stands up fairly well

Scoreboard pressure is where im seeing the gap
 
citizen-erased said:
Also, are mids an issue?
Id have thought ruck KPF and pressure small forward.

Suns arent leaking goals and the middle stands up fairly well

Scoreboard pressure is where im seeing the gap
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Not a real issue but if there is good talent for cheap (RFA) no reason not too. I mean the dogs got treloar for cheap.

Ruck KPF sounds like we are going the cheap route; Chol, CCJ who won't cost much anyways.

Hard to recruit older players to the suns, only takes one or two right ones and it could turn around; eg Neale & McCarthy
 
RowellAnderson12 said:
Suns would want a Key Back or Key Forward for pick 5, Ideally Moore/Balta/Andrews region. A nice crack at Harry Mckay would of been good but yeah not many teams or players would wanna come up here.

Then we go down the 27+ route, like Mcgovern, Darling, types who may not be worth the pick 5 but because it may be too good to pass on the Eagles may think about it. Both 29 so pick 5 for a 29year old isn't really a good deal in anyones books but Suns need an A Grader or two with their current hand of 5/19/24
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Suns would be better off going after Talia as a UFA. He'd be an exceptional leader for the young group.
 
Prochard123 said:
GC has elite top-end talent already, what they need right now is maturity and performance to ensure their high value draft picks stay at the club.

If they can pick up 2-3 solid B/B+ players with pick 5 + extras to ensure they make the 8 next round, that's most likely the best play.

I'd aim for players like Breust, Sidebottom, Grimes that are down on value, but are likely to be quite durable even in the twilight years in their careers while offering leadership.
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jack grimes ex melbourne player ????
 

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firsttimeposter said:
Hard to see this pick moving, particularly for a straight swap. As previously raised attracting the 'right' player is difficult, this person will need good leadership qualities, worth ethic and a positive contributor to culture and performance. They tend to stay at their own club or go home.

The earlier post about involving brisbane and richmond in a pick a player swap makes sense as an example of what could happen, however there is a good argument for CCJ to stay. Riewoldt probably has one more year before his KPF post belongs to CCJ.

I love a convoluted trade scenario, and this will surely annoy many but for conversations sake I'm proposing a mega trade situation involving 1 x 'A' grader, a bunch of pick swaps and movement of a depth player. I think GC need some tall/ruck depth and support down back. Their midfield and forwards look ok if they can retain what they have. Picks based on current ladder positions.

- Collingwood give Darcy moore (pre-agent - decent risk of leaving), max lynch, a future 1st (4-10 range). Get pick 1 and future 3rd (from north), 43 and 63 (from gold coast)

- North give pick 1, 38 and future 3rd (37-42 range), get pick 5 and 24 (from GC), and future 1st (from collingwood)

- Gold coast give 5, 19, 24, 43, 55,60, 63 and a future 1st (4-8 range) and get Moore and lynch (from collingwood), pick 8 and future 1st (from essendon)

- Essendon give 8,45,51 and future 1st (8-12 range) and get 17 (from bulldogs), 19 and future 1st (from gold coast) and future 3rd (from bulldogs)

- Dogs give up 17 and future 3rd (50-54 range) for 38 (from north), 45 and 51 (from essendon), 55 and 60 (from gold coast)

In effect Collingwood loose a gun key back but gain Horne at # 1 in the draft before they match a bid daicos and now have enough points to ensure their 2022 draft hand is not compromised. They can throw cash at a free agent next year or the year after to make up for the loss of a 1st round pick in 2022.

North slide back 4 live picks this year but add an early second rounder and probable top 10 pick next year. Not bad if you add Kelly as a FA this year.

Gold coast pick up a key back instead of a kid and some back up in the ruck. They slide back 3 positions in this years draft and 4-5 positions in next years draft. They also get rid of 2-3 picks this year they're probably not going to use.

Essendon split their 1st pick this year for 2 x picks around 20-22 range which will nicely complement the 3 x top 10 picks last year. They banks points for one of the davey twins next year and hopefully stay in the top 5-6 picks in the 2022 draft (before there is a bid on the davey's).

Dogs gain 400 points to match on a darcy bid this year and lose a 3rd rounder next year.

Who doesn't love July draftology!
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gold coast dont have pick 43 that belongs to richmond
 
Paddy Dow and a second rounder for pick 5


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Prochard123 said:
GC has elite top-end talent already, what they need right now is maturity and performance to ensure their high value draft picks stay at the club.

If they can pick up 2-3 solid B/B+ players with pick 5 + extras to ensure they make the 8 next round, that's most likely the best play.

I'd aim for players like Breust, Sidebottom, Grimes that are down on value, but are likely to be quite durable even in the twilight years in their careers while offering leadership.
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Breust will probably be an A grade small forward for another 3 years.
 
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