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Hard not to be impressed with this bloke.

Bowls with confidence, flight and spin. Bats well and already has all-rounder worthy figures.

It's hard to say I like a Pom, but this bloke could easily slot into our side and has already proven himself against Australia and South Africa and performed well in tandem against the Indians. Certainly would prefer him to Hauritz.

With Rashid waiting in the wings, have England finally found a couple of genuine quality spinners?
 
would probably replace hauritz. good player. there's a bit of boof lehmann about him. comes in at #9 and smacks 85, you'd say it's just a matter of time before a test century. maybe should be a spot higher up in the order.
 
I do like him as a cricketer, even if he is a) a Pom and b) a knob!

No doubt he should be batting ahead of Broad at 8. On current form he probably should be ahead of Prior too. :o

But yeah his bowling is rather impressive. Seems to be able to attack without conceding many runs. He'd slot nicely into our side.

It's a bit strange that he turns 31 this year though. It's not uncommon for Australian players to make their debuts late, but unless he was just a late bloomer than I think England picked him much later than they should have...
 
Apparently he was in the England squad when he was a lot younger but they dropped him apparently because he was perceived as too cocky. He is, but unfortunately it took them a long time to recognise that they need some cocky players who have ability. Instead of this defensive English mentality.
 

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agree pie chucker his stats were made to look better coz aussie batsmen make avg spin bowlers look unplayable.

Even most england fans would agree his stats are better than his ability.
 
Sylvia Saint said:
I do like him as a cricketer, even if he is a) a Pom and b) a knob!

No doubt he should be batting ahead of Broad at 8. On current form he probably should be ahead of Prior too. :o

But yeah his bowling is rather impressive. Seems to be able to attack without conceding many runs. He'd slot nicely into our side.

It's a bit strange that he turns 31 this year though. It's not uncommon for Australian players to make their debuts late, but unless he was just a late bloomer than I think England picked him much later than they should have...
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Broad is identical to mitch johnson, they are both on the verge of being classifed as bowling allrounders, has more ability with the bat than swann but having said that swann would be number 8 for most other countries in the world. Aus, Eng and SA have the best number 8 and 9's in the world.
 
would take him over Hauritz anyday.

spins the ball way more and the loop he gets with his flight is really good.
 

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i get the feeling that if a spinner can't turn the ball like warne, macgill or murali, then all of a sudden they are a pie chucker.

His wickets speak for themselves - he bowled well against us - and backed it up against SA. That is two high quality batting line-ups.

his consistency is also admirable.
 
I watched him during the Ashes, no better than average surely. There's certainly better around. Similar strike rate to Hauritz, a touch over 4 a Test, but Swann has a slightly worse average.

Like the way he fights with the bat and handy down the order. The way we run through a tail (not) he'll be annoyingly hard to dislodge.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
i get the feeling that if a spinner can't turn the ball like warne, macgill or murali, then all of a sudden they are a pie chucker.

His wickets speak for themselves - he bowled well against us - and backed it up against SA. That is two high quality batting line-ups.

his consistency is also admirable.
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14 wickets at 40.5 he claimed against Australia in the Ashes. He struggled right throughout the series to penetrate the Australian lineup. His batting down the order was handy, no doubt but his bowling left a lot to be desired. It was Broad, Anderson, Onions who did the job. Didn't see much of him in SA, so perhaps his form has improved since.
 
He's a decent off-spinner, but is overrated much in the same way that Hauritz is underrated. Both are this way due to reasons that aren't really their fault. Hauritz is often trashed because he isn't anything like Shane Warne, whereas Swann is promoted because he isn't Ashley Giles.

He bowled very well against South Africa at times and gets more bite than Hauritz. On the other hand, he tends to struggle more on flat decks than Hauritz. I'd say that Swann is a bit better, but there isn't a large gulf between them.

He is a very good lower order bat (even though the short ball is something he can struggle to deal with) and a decent fielder.
 

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Blue Dimension said:
14 wickets at 40.5 he claimed against Australia in the Ashes. He struggled right throughout the series to penetrate the Australian lineup. His batting down the order was handy, no doubt but his bowling left a lot to be desired. It was Broad, Anderson, Onions who did the job. Didn't see much of him in SA, so perhaps his form has improved since.
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The journey is as process is as important as the result. Swann's personal presence is awe inspiring. While he is not the talisman like Flintoff, Swan's status in the english team cannot be questioned. His body language is always buoyant, not like Hauritz who always look negative. Having Swann in the team really boost the other's confidence and endeavor. Plus in SA he bagged 2 Man of Math awards out of four, if i remember correctly, he is even man of series.
 
DaRick said:
Hauritz is often trashed because he isn't anything like Shane Warne, whereas Swann is promoted because he isn't Ashley Giles.
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Or Panesar, Loudon, Croft, Dawson, Udal...

He basically bowled one good spell in the Ashes but other than that bowler two pretty poor lengths. Has bounced back brilliantly in South Africa though and has looked dangerous right throughout.

He's certainly better than anything England have got at the moment, but I want to see how he goes against the Lankans or Indians over a series.
 
I really don't mind Swan, he's a wholehearted cricketer who gets the best out of himself and believes in his ability, I'd definitely take him in our side, he would add depth to our batting, and his bowling is improving massively
 
The Falcon Strike said:
i get the feeling that if a spinner can't turn the ball like warne, macgill or murali, then all of a sudden they are a pie chucker.
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Well not quite - everyone rates Vettori - but I think there's a lot to what you say. I think everyone forgets how ridiculous Warne's turn was when he first came on the scene. Since then it seems like every spinner has to be able to rip it in order to be rated.

Plenty of great spinners - especially finger spinners - have been very successful without generating any prodigious amount of turn.
 
He is a good bowler, but South Africans don't know to play spin at all. Not one of them has any footwork whatsoever against spinners.

Let this guy travel to India, Sri Lanka or and let him have a good series there then we can talk about him being good. For that matter let the Indians or Lankans play him in England even then I think he will be belted around.....
 

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