Universal Love Greatness

[Black_White]

How good was Daisy when he had a pair?
Of ankles that is.
Back then I thought he played for the club. How wrong was I?

 

[CFC2010]

Wasn't Pendles heard to say that the boys were a bit bored due to the lack of a challenge?

Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

But like someone said earlier it is the Coaches job to maintain the focus.

Unfortunately for us our coach couldn't do that....for obvious reasons!

 

[Krueger]

Some funny comments on here about not trying half the time etc. Whats the difference between that and taking the foot off the pedal and coasting to victories? We were that good we didnt have to go at 100% for 4 quarters. Not trying half the time had nothing to do with not winning the flag in 2011. If everyone was focused on the job at hand and not for a couple of injuries and the betting scandal I have no doubt we would have gone back to back.

Seeing what were were to what we are now makes me sick in the stomach.

 

[Good_Old]

Our version of 'the streak'.

 

[Collingwoodity]

I am sad.

 

[SpongePie]

Loved this game, and really miss what we were in 2011.

BTW BT's commentary is awesome in this clip... seriously.

 

[Gambit78]

What I find interesting with this clip is how different the body shapes are to now - Maxwell, O'Brien and Goldsack in particular. For me it drives home the point that our fitness base had to change with the introduction of the sub, limited rotations, and the shift in the way the game is played. Those boys were beefed up compared to how they looked in 2014.

 

[jonbe54]

What I find interesting with this clip is how different the body shapes are to now - Maxwell, O'Brien and Goldsack in particular. For me it drives home the point that our fitness base had to change with the introduction of the sub, limited rotations, and the shift in the way the game is played. Those boys were beefed up compared to how they looked in 2014.

This is another reason that the Mick Acolytes simply can't understand that we HAD TO change our list. The AFL changed to ground rules and left us with players especially selected and trained for previous rules now totally unsuitable for the new environment.

I won't go so far as to say we were deliberately nobbled but think for a moment of the effect of rotation drops on our midfield star at the time (Swann) and then once we changed our focus onto Cloke evening the ledger for us think of the effect on allowing backmen to monster forwards without penalty.

Two of our biggest stars rendered much less effective by a few strokes of a pen

You can say - with some justification that we were taking advantage of the interchange rules and had to be brought back to the field. What then is the excuse for allowing a certain player to shrug up a tackle for a cheap free kick?

There is no excuse, Stevie is one of the darlings of the AFL whilst Swann and Cloke . . . well I won't say they play for the wrong club in some eyes but the inference is plain.

If you play for an expansion club or Geelong which have 'restricted' supporter bases 'cough . . cost of living . . cough, cough' you can expect to get away with near murder on the field but a traditional club with a stable supporter base can expect to pay the price for the AFL's mania for successful expansionism

 

[jackcass]

Was at the game and it emphasised and exposed the issues that the player group had.

We played like rubbish for 3/4's, were down by 24?? at one point in the 2nd half, then flicked the switch and dominated. Requiring to 'flick the switch' happened very often in the 2nd half of the year. We played a lot of games where one or 2 quarters we'd played poorly. Who knows why, looked to me like many players got ahead of themselves and it cost us in the end. The coach should have reined them in but his own culture and dealing with his own personal issues prevented that.

Undoubtedly our greatest chance to win a flag outside of flag years, since I can remember.

Rates up there with 1970 and 1977 for mine.

 

[Bay Pie]

Rates up there with 1970 and 1977 for mine.

Haha. I was but a toddler in 1970 and the 1977 replay was the reason I chose to support Collingwood.

 

[CFC2010]

Don't want to open old wounds but I'm a newbie to this site so not sure if this question has been answered in the past.

Did our coach ever explain why Tarrant wasn't tried on Hawkins in the granny? I couldn't fathom why it didn't happen that day and still don't understand it to this day.

Call it closure if you like but for some reason I would like to know why!

I know he blamed Swanny that day but that non-decision to me was more important.

"Please Explain" if you know the reason

 

[jonbe54]

Don't want to open old wounds but I'm a newbie to this site so not sure if this question has been answered in the past.

Did our coach ever explain why Tarrant wasn't tried on Hawkins in the granny? I couldn't fathom why it didn't happen that day and still don't understand it to this day.

Call it closure if you like but for some reason I would like to know why!

I know he blamed Swanny that day but that non-decision to me was more important.

"Please Explain" if you know the reason

Mick was too busy sulking - had been for weeks - he had no intention of trying his best for the club - or his boys.

Arrogant, petulant old fart.

 

[CFC2010]

Mick was too busy sulking - had been for weeks - he had no intention of trying his best for the club - or his boys.

Arrogant, petulant old fart.

I felt/feel the same way. But I still ask the Blues/Scum supporters that I know to ask their Coach that question for me. I know I'm a glutton for punishment!

We are definitely our worst enemy but "I" believe that year and also 2012......2014 we didn't play as a united team and you can't win the big prize if you are not committed to the cause. It starts from the top down always!

I hope that mentality changes soon......For all our sakes!

 

[jonbe54]

I felt/feel the same way. But I still ask the Blues/Scum supporters that I know to ask their Coach that question for me. I know I'm a glutton for punishment!

We are definitely our worst enemy but "I" believe that year and also 2012......2014 we didn't play as a united team and you can't win the big prize if you are not committed to the cause. It starts from the top down always!

I hope that mentality changes soon......For all our sakes!

As an older barracker entering my twilight years I especially hope we get our act together soon lol.

The divisions implicit in having favoured players who got picked week after week regardless of form or off field indiscretions only became apparent after Mick left, when the whole house of cards he had built fell apart.

Hopefully we are nearing the end of our cleanout and the young players now want to play for the gurnsey instead of themselves.

 

[CFC2010]

As an older barracker entering my twilight years I especially hope we get our act together soon lol.

The divisions implicit in having favoured players who got picked week after week regardless of form or off field indiscretions only became apparent after Mick left, when the whole house of cards he had built fell apart.

Hopefully we are nearing the end of our cleanout and the young players now want to play for the gurnsey instead of themselves.

As a Semi-Old barracker I couldn't agree more. That's exactly as I see it.

My theory is we always get ahead of ourselves......one premiership and we are Rockstars!

My nephew (Lions Supporter) told me he saw Heath, Beam$ and.........Seedsman at the Harp a few nights ago playing pokies together. All I thought was "here we go again". Prove me wrong Seedsman don't be a sheep!

Become a Premiership player like them but aspire to be a multiple One Team Premiership Player!

Then I will be convinced as a team we are on the right track!

 

[jonbe54]

As a Semi-Old barracker I couldn't agree more. That's exactly as I see it.

My theory is we always get ahead of ourselves......one premiership and we are Rockstars!

My nephew (Lions Supporter) told me he saw Heath, Beam$ and.........Seedsman at the Harp a few nights ago playing pokies together. All I thought was "here we go again". Prove me wrong Seedsman don't be a sheep!

Become a Premiership player like them but aspire to be a multiple One Team Premiership Player!

Then I will be convinced as a team we are on the right track!

Well if the Seed wants to go down that track he'll find it's a one way street, there are others in the playing group that can fill his role and maybe more so.

 

[ColinWood]

Thanks for posting I was at this game with an Adelaide supporter who had become insufferable. I kept telling him not to write us off, but no one was more shocked and thrilled than me when we executed this massive comeback. Go Pies

 

[CFC2010]

Well if the Seed wants to go down that track he'll find it's a one way street, there are others in the playing group that can fill his role and maybe more so.

I hope Seeds can see the light like we do.

Back to the the OP the Adelaide game and also the 2011 Prelim against the Hawks are the two most amazing games for me as a Pies Supporter. My 2 year old son (back then) has still not recovered from the Prelim.
I threw him in the air after the Bally goal (I know it's child abuse) and I still cannot believe we won that game on one proper quarter of football.

We should have gone back to back that's what shits me the most when I think about 2011.

'

 

[swiftdog]

WE WERN'T - that was part of the problem

Have to agree and still think in retrospect that Geelong really were the best team in 2011. Stumbled upon an interesting line of thought on the soccer board giving the blueprint on how to win the EPL. Basically, just beat the teams that you should beat to get up there and get the results against the rivals around you (i.e. the top 4) to get the title. While it looks pretty and dominant, piling on the goals against relegation battlers, minnows and also-rans really doesn't mean much, if anything, in the grand scheme of things. Obviously EPL is first past the post so is a bit different but I think Collingwood fooled people by spanking teams that really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things while progressively getting worse against the teams that mattered. Compare Collingwood and Geelong's seasons (I used end of the H&A ladder for simplicity):

Collingwood:
2nd - Geelong: 3, 96, 38
3rd - Hawthorn: 41, 3
4th - West Coast: 52, 20
5th - Carlton: 28, 19
6th - St.Kilda: 57, 19
7th - Sydney: 6
8th - Essendon: 30, 74
9th - North: 87, 117
10th - Bulldogs: 48
11th - Fremantle, 80
12th - Richmond: 71
13th - Melbourne: 88
14th - Adelaide: 43
15th - Brisbane, 18
16th - Port Adelaide: 75, 138
17th - Gold Coast: 54

Geelong:
1st - Collingwood: 3, 96, 38
3rd - Hawthorn: 19, 5, 31
4th - West Coast, 8, 48
5th - Carlton: 2
6th - St.Kilda: 1, 28
7th - Sydney: 27, 13
8th - Essendon, 4
9th - North: 66
10th - Bulldogs: 61
11th - Fremantle: 11
12th - Richmond: 62
13th - Melbourne: 186
14th - Adelaide: 52, 11
15th - Brisbane: 29
16th - Port Adelaide: 79
17th - Gold Coast: 66, 150

For a start, both sides went 22-3 for the year. I'd think that any premiership side "should" beat the teams outside the top 4, Collingwood went 18-0 outside the top 4 and Geelong went 15-2, both very good records that'll allow a top 4 spot. What about games against the other contenders though? Collingwood went 4-3 against the top 4 and got progressively worse while Geelong went 7-1 and got better against the top 4. Sure, Collingwood had the brutal percentage and 8 wins over 70 points compared to Geelong's 4 but Geelong just got the job done when it mattered with a little less pizzaz (although the did hand out a couple of hidings of their own also).



Still love this video though!!!!!!

 

[jonbe54]

I hope Seeds can see the light like we do.

Back to the the OP the Adelaide game and also the 2011 Prelim against the Hawks are the two most amazing games for me as a Pies Supporter. My 2 year old son (back then) has still not recovered from the Prelim.
I threw him in the air after the Bally goal (I know it's child abuse) and I still cannot believe we won that game on one proper quarter of football.

We should have gone back to back that's what shits me the most when I think about 2011.

'

Probably my happiest time as a Pies supporter (outside of the '90 and '10 GF's) was that totally dominant display against Geelong in the 2010 Prelim final.

Seldom in my 5 decades have I seen such a complete performance.

 

[CFC2010]

Probably my happiest time as a Pies supporter (outside of the '90 and '10 GF's) was that totally dominant display against Geelong in the 2010 Prelim final.

Seldom in my 5 decades have I seen such a complete performance.

Sorry forgot the 2010 Prelim against the Cats.......at quarter time I walked a couple bays across to a fellow supporter I know and asked him if that just happened.

My point is, as I have stated in this thread in my 42 years of following the the Pies I have never expected to win every game like i did in 2011! I don't care what anyone said we should have gone back to back.

Too many distractions that year that affected that last day in September.

 

[CFC2010]

Have to agree and still think in retrospect that Geelong really were the best team in 2011. Stumbled upon an interesting line of thought on the soccer board giving the blueprint on how to win the EPL. Basically, just beat the teams that you should beat to get up there and get the results against the rivals around you (i.e. the top 4) to get the title. While it looks pretty and dominant, piling on the goals against relegation battlers, minnows and also-rans really doesn't mean much, if anything, in the grand scheme of things. Obviously EPL is first past the post so is a bit different but I think Collingwood fooled people by spanking teams that really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things while progressively getting worse against the teams that mattered. Compare Collingwood and Geelong's seasons (I used end of the H&A ladder for simplicity):

Collingwood:
2nd - Geelong: 3, 96, 38
3rd - Hawthorn: 41, 3
4th - West Coast: 52, 20
5th - Carlton: 28, 19
6th - St.Kilda: 57, 19
7th - Sydney: 6
8th - Essendon: 30, 74
9th - North: 87, 117
10th - Bulldogs: 48
11th - Fremantle, 80
12th - Richmond: 71
13th - Melbourne: 88
14th - Adelaide: 43
15th - Brisbane, 18
16th - Port Adelaide: 75, 138
17th - Gold Coast: 54

Geelong:
1st - Collingwood: 3, 96, 38
3rd - Hawthorn: 19, 5, 31
4th - West Coast, 8, 48
5th - Carlton: 2
6th - St.Kilda: 1, 28
7th - Sydney: 27, 13
8th - Essendon, 4
9th - North: 66
10th - Bulldogs: 61
11th - Fremantle: 11
12th - Richmond: 62
13th - Melbourne: 186
14th - Adelaide: 52, 11
15th - Brisbane: 29
16th - Port Adelaide: 79
17th - Gold Coast: 66, 150

For a start, both sides went 22-3 for the year. I'd think that any premiership side "should" beat the teams outside the top 4, Collingwood went 18-0 outside the top 4 and Geelong went 15-2, both very good records that'll allow a top 4 spot. What about games against the other contenders though? Collingwood went 4-3 against the top 4 and got progressively worse while Geelong went 7-1 and got better against the top 4. Sure, Collingwood had the brutal percentage and 8 wins over 70 points compared to Geelong's 4 but Geelong just got the job done when it mattered with a little less pizzaz (although the did hand out a couple of hidings of their own also).



Still love this video though!!!!!!

Sorry Swiftdog but all those stats mean nothing on the last day of September!

At half time the Pies were in the game.

Just answer for me why Tarrant wasn't tried on Hawkins?

I was standing behind the goals and couldn't understand it when Reid was limping around in the second half.

 

[jonbe54]

Sorry Swiftdog but all those stats mean nothing on the last day of September!

At half time the Pies were in the game.

Just answer for me why Tarrant wasn't tried on Hawkins?

I was standing behind the goals and couldn't understand it when Reid was limping around in the second half.

Everyone with any understanding of Malthouse's true nature knows that it was spite . . spite so venomous and overpowering he was prepared to give up a flag just so that he could strike at the heart of the club who gave him 11 years to win a premiership and a man in Eddie who stood up for him against the board when they wanted to out him.

Slimy, venemous old snake. He slithered off to Carlton in a further attempt to wound and dragged his little lapdog with him.

Well we are well rid of them both and they are in the perfect place for their nature and their lack of worth.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Absolutely no doubt Mick cost us the 2011 flag.

Unfortunately we have not recovered since.

I will never forgive that prick!!

 

[Anzacday]

Sorry Swiftdog but all those stats mean nothing on the last day of September!
At half time the Pies were in the game.
Just answer for me why Tarrant wasn't tried on Hawkins?
I was standing behind the goals and couldn't understand it when Reid was limping around in the second half.

I spoke to Matty Lappin at our VFL final and asked him the same question, he said it was brought up in the box but not acted upon.
I said so Mick ignored it and he just went silent.