Harcourt presentation "bombshell"

[ManWithNoName]

And I'm sure your repeated views on what someone may discuss on a discussion forum will be given due consideration at the next meeting of those who run these forums.

I await their judgement as much as Hirdy awaits that of the HTB.

 

[QuietB]

Your views on our coaching appointments are noted and I'll be sure to raise them at this years AGM.

You are all to gutless to raise anything at the EFC AGM.

 

[Big Fozza]

If the AFL and ASADA were aware that this was occuring, and the players were contracted to the AFL for legal purposes, it was the AFL's responsibility to clarify and / or negate this risky regime.

so it's the AFL's fault now? haha. maybe they should have done more - doesn't change the fact that it was under the direction of Hird and it was dangerous to players' health

The AFL were complicit, due to their awaremess (and negative AAF's ) of the program. ASADA were also "in the loop", being requested to send "target tested" samples to Germany for analysis.

Tell me again of the illegality, of the substances used. EFC have been under scrutiny since 2012, without one AAF. Scared of nothing., or no-one.

no AAFs does not mean that everything is OK. Not sure if you quite understand that.

there is enough evidence to show that Dank administered substances that are illegal and unapproved for human consumption. Hence the SCs. and the pending court case to have evidence thrown out.

 

[jenny61_99]

Your views on our coaching appointments are noted and I'll be sure to raise them at this years AGM.

Your views on my views are noted and duly dumped in the bin.

 

[Tiger_man322]

You are dreaming, aren't you. Does it not weaken a club when you deny them draft picks? When you deny a club the right to participate in a finals campaign? When you stand down a coach? Fine them $2M?

Based on what is in the public domain, the AFL were aware in 2011 of Hird's planned supplement program. The AFL were so concerned they "target tested" EFC players - and requested samples sent to Cologne to specifically examine "exotic" peptites, that ASADA couldn't identify in 2012. Even with the knowlege of zero AAF's ( and despite fears of carcinogens ), the AFL & ASADA failed to caution the EFC of their serious(?) concerns.

Harcourt, in the midst of an on-going investigation, again with zero findings, lectures about the totally awesome cosmic power of the joint investigative process, to the world at large, and the sanctions wrung out of a (still ) innocent club and playing group.

To date, not one doping violation has been sustained by any servant of the EFC. To date I am yet to understand how anyone has helped the EFC. Certainly not with early intervention, or requests for internal audits.

I would like to hear your rationale, as to how anyone helped the EFC, or didn't wish to weaken the club.

At least the EFC did not distribute carcinogens en-masse to the supporter group on an as regular basis as the CFC, we have fewer BBQ's to apologise for our lacklustre performances. Cheers MM.

So, when it was clear that EFC couldn't run a lemonade stand, let alone a football club was revealed, the AFL were just meant to sit around and do nothing?

Andy D tipped you guys off, letting you guys know there will be an investigation. There is help. But you guys choose to spin it and blame Andy D for not doing anything about the illegal practices going on at EFC, because why should EFC take responsibility for anything? It's all AFL and ASADA's fault for not doing anything and investigating your club.

And you keep going on about 'Zero findings' or 'positive tests.' Again, we will go back to the classic Lance Armstrong saga. He tested positive once in 1999, got away with it, continued doping until 2005. Stopped racing, and came back in 2009 and again, was suspected of doping. He never tested positive after 1999, and defended aggressively against people that said otherwise. Often using terms such as 'heavy drug user,' 'whore' and so on and forth. Need I have to remind you of Spike Mcveigh's attack on Reimers?

But, continue on thinking that the EFC is squeaky clean and they have done nothing wrong. Continue blindly following them, failing to see any logic in the situation. Continue clinging on to the hope that Little, Hirdy and Co will be able to save your club.

Because unlike Carlton, Essendon don't even have the guts to say to their supporters "We ****ed up, we are sorry."

 

[ManWithNoName]

You are all to gutless to raise anything at the EFC AGM.

You were there last year were you?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Your views on my views are noted and duly dumped in the bin.

I'm glad we could work together so efficiently to reach an amicable solution.

If only ASADA were as swift.

 

[QuietB]

You were there last year were you?

What were your questions? Will James Albert be getting a further contract extension? What is the club doing about that pesky ASADA? Can't we just buy them? At least can't we buy The Age?

 

[ManWithNoName]

What were your questions? Will James Albert be getting a further contract extension? What is the club doing about that pesky ASADA? Can't we just buy them? At least can't we buy The Age?

You tell me. You claim to know all about Essendon AGM's and what happens at them.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'm glad we could work together so efficiently to reach an amicable solution.

If only ASADA were as swift.

If only essendon hadnt doped their players.

This is fun.

 

[jenny61_99]

What were your questions? Will James Albert be getting a further contract extension? What is the club doing about that pesky ASADA? Can't we just buy them? At least can't we buy The Age?

Did they give Hird a standing ovation?

 

[ManWithNoName]

If only essendon hadnt doped their players.

This is fun.

If you've got proof of that you should call ASADA, they'd be very interested in the evidence you have to provide that they do not yet have.

 

[LoungeLizard]

If you've got proof of that you should call ASADA, they'd be very interested in the evidence you have to provide that they do not yet have.

No-one needs to ring ASADA no more, they have all the proof they need, hence SCN"S
And wash it anyway you want, the EFC know they have what they need also

 

[RegHickeyStand]

If you've got proof of that you should call ASADA, they'd be very interested in the evidence you have to provide that they do not yet have.

Assumption

 

[BlueWorld]

You are dreaming, aren't you. Does it not weaken a club when you deny them draft picks? When you deny a club the right to participate in a finals campaign? When you stand down a coach? Fine them $2M?

To date, not one doping violation has been sustained by any servant of the EFC. To date I am yet to understand how anyone has helped the EFC. Certainly not with early intervention, or requests for internal audits.

Boo hoo. You don't realize why they booted them out of the finals? Did you expect them to pat you on the back and say it's OK to inject your players with who knows what? What punishment did Hird get- an all expenses paid trip to France with $1m spending money! Please!

Not one doping violation? The 34 show cause notices are step 1 in that process- if you ever follow the process you agreed to as an AFL club.

Don't bring Carlton into this. The weakening and punishment they got were far greater and for something nowhere near as bad.

 

[BlueWorld]

If the AFL and ASADA were aware that this was occuring, and the players were contracted to the AFL for legal purposes, it was the AFL's responsibility to clarify and / or negate this risky regime.

The AFL were complicit, due to their awaremess (and negative AAF's ) of the program. ASADA were also "in the loop", being requested to send "target tested" samples to Germany for analysis.

Tell me again of the illegality, of the substances used. EFC have been under scrutiny since 2012, without one AAF. Scared of nothing., or no-one.

Keep blaming everyone else for what YOUR CLUB did. Truly sickening.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Assumption

If they had proof we'd used PED's they would've already charged us.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

If they had proof we'd used PED's they would've already charged us.

ASADA is going through that process right now. SCs are the first step.

 

[QuietB]

You tell me. You claim to know all about Essendon AGM's and what happens at them.

I know that it was a particularly controlled event designed to control the message and flow of information. I think Robbo calls it propaganda, although admittedly not when he is talking about Essendon

 

[ManWithNoName]

I know that it was a particularly controlled event designed to control the message and flow of information. I think Robbo calls it propaganda, although admittedly not when he is talking about Essendon

Ha!

 

[jenny61_99]

If you've got proof of that you should call ASADA, they'd be very interested in the evidence you have to provide that they do not yet have.

Oh, so they issued show cause notices for shits and giggles then?

 

[Laphroaig]

If the AFL and ASADA were aware that this was occuring, and the players were contracted to the AFL for legal purposes, it was the AFL's responsibility to clarify and / or negate this risky regime.

The AFL were complicit, due to their awaremess (and negative AAF's ) of the program. ASADA were also "in the loop", being requested to send "target tested" samples to Germany for analysis.

Apart from being a bullshit conclusion, it's based on a bullshit assumption.

 

[threesixpio]

If the AFL and ASADA were aware that this was occuring, and the players were contracted to the AFL for legal purposes, it was the AFL's responsibility to clarify and / or negate this risky regime.

The AFL were complicit, due to their awaremess (and negative AAF's ) of the program. ASADA were also "in the loop", being requested to send "target tested" samples to Germany for analysis.

Tell me again of the illegality, of the substances used. EFC have been under scrutiny since 2012, without one AAF. Scared of nothing., or no-one.

Hmm.... Complicit. But Essendon didn't do anything wrong. Do you realise how little sense that makes?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

If EFC take AFL's dodgy operators down with them, that's fine.

If between them they manage to avoid having show causes for PEDs tested in a proper tribunal, that's not fine.

And if a doctor's concerns about potential cancer risks in an uncontrolled, experimental program are completely swamped by chatter about ultra vires and legal authority, that sucks.

 

[lysp]

No. You injected your players with illegal and dangerous substances in a program under the direction of your head coach in an attempt to get an advantage on the competition because your coach was so obsessed with winning he was willing to sacrifice player's health and safety.

Don't give me this we've been punished rubbish. Bad governance pales in comparison to injecting players with illegal and dangerous drugs.

Now EFC is trying to get the evidence thrown out on technicalities. Because they are scared.

Few corrections - peptides are not necessarily illegal. They may be against certain rules, but if they were illegal you would not be able to buy/import them which you can.

Second just because it's a peptide doesnt mean it's bad. Peptides are simply a chain of amino acids. You have peptides in milk, meat and many other common foods.

For the 20,000th time, there is no test you can do for peptides or HGH.

You can test for peptides although there are fewer labs with the capability. One in Cologne, Germany (which is where the AFL send samples off to), and one in Montreal. HGH can be tested for, although there is only a short time window. Plus there is no evidence out that afl players were using HGH.

And this is my issue with the PED program. The use of off-label, not approved for human use drugs.

Nothing wrong with off-label uses of substances.

A study done in the US showed of the 160 most common drugs prescribed by doctors, 21% were for off-label (unapproved) uses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16682577