List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2024

[burger09]

Ok, we're getting distracted already.

Focus people

KPD
KPD
KPD.

this is the key to all our dreams.

 

[kingcobey78]

I reckon Smith and another big name will depart in order for them to keep JUH.

Tim English back to Perth?

 

[smish]

Baz
Ginny
Wiz
CJ
Cmac

Rockstars everywhere. Make it happen.

 

[FB19]

If the rumour on Smith is true we will have to be moving on 1 or even 2 mids who we wouldn’t have thought.
Day Newk Mackenzie Hustwaite seem locked into LT plans.
Ward CMac doubt we would want to lose but I’m struggling to see Ward as making it without being significant inside mid and pinch hitting wing not the other way around. Cmac a flight risk if not given mid role as that’s his background and his best fit and we need his burst and class in there.
Stephens unfortunately seems gone which leaves Worpel, Nash and Maginness and I think we only need 1 of them.
Bear in mind this doesn’t really speak to wings so we have 10 discussed for 3 mid spots. Also our first this year likely high end if we used it would snag a quality mid too.
Players will need to be genuine dual position which is rare and risky as it might spread skills too thinly and makes those who see themselves as genuine mids like CMac a flight risk. It’s both a fascinating and critical pivot point in our list management strategy as we begin list rebalancing and Rough attacks the trade and FA market.

 

[Dewwwww]

If the rumour on Smith is true we will have to be moving on 1 or even 2 mids who we wouldn’t have thought.
Day Newk Mackenzie Hustwaite seem locked into LT plans.
Ward CMac doubt we would want to lose but I’m struggling to see Ward as making it without being significant inside mid and pinch hitting wing not the other way around. Cmac a flight risk if not given mid role as that’s his background and his best fit and we need his burst and class in there.
Stephens unfortunately seems gone which leaves Worpel, Nash and Maginness and I think we only need 1 of them.
Bear in mind this doesn’t really speak to wings so we have 10 discussed for 3 mid spots. Also our first this year likely high end if we used it would snag a quality mid too.
Players will need to be genuine dual position which is rare and risky as it might spread skills too thinly and makes those who see themselves as genuine mids like CMac a flight risk. It’s both a fascinating and critical pivot point in our list management strategy as we begin list rebalancing and Rough attacks the trade and FA market.

I think Worpels 2yr extension last year was perfect for both parties.

End of next year I can see Hustwaite / MacDonald / MacKenzie / Ward pushing ahead of Worpel in the inside mid pecking order with which a first round compensation pick could come in handy to help fill list weaknesses (key backs / forwards etc)

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Straight to Sydney for Jamarra. AFL will get it done.

Would be a disgrace if the AFL meddle in this.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Ok, we're getting distracted already.

Focus people

KPD
KPD
KPD.

this is the key to all our dreams.

There are no KPD's available in FA, outside of Battle. Which KPD's could we trade for?

 

[nelk boys]

If the rumour on Smith is true we will have to be moving on 1 or even 2 mids who we wouldn’t have thought.
Day Newk Mackenzie Hustwaite seem locked into LT plans.
Ward CMac doubt we would want to lose but I’m struggling to see Ward as making it without being significant inside mid and pinch hitting wing not the other way around. Cmac a flight risk if not given mid role as that’s his background and his best fit and we need his burst and class in there.
Stephens unfortunately seems gone which leaves Worpel, Nash and Maginness and I think we only need 1 of them.
Bear in mind this doesn’t really speak to wings so we have 10 discussed for 3 mid spots. Also our first this year likely high end if we used it would snag a quality mid too.
Players will need to be genuine dual position which is rare and risky as it might spread skills too thinly and makes those who see themselves as genuine mids like CMac a flight risk. It’s both a fascinating and critical pivot point in our list management strategy as we begin list rebalancing and Rough attacks the trade and FA market.

Day, Newcombe, Smith, Nash, Worpel, McKenzie, Hustwaite.

With CMAC, Watson and Weddle running through.

Addresses speed, size and spread.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

If the rumour on Smith is true we will have to be moving on 1 or even 2 mids who we wouldn’t have thought.
Day Newk Mackenzie Hustwaite seem locked into LT plans.
Ward CMac doubt we would want to lose but I’m struggling to see Ward as making it without being significant inside mid and pinch hitting wing not the other way around. Cmac a flight risk if not given mid role as that’s his background and his best fit and we need his burst and class in there.
Stephens unfortunately seems gone which leaves Worpel, Nash and Maginness and I think we only need 1 of them.
Bear in mind this doesn’t really speak to wings so we have 10 discussed for 3 mid spots. Also our first this year likely high end if we used it would snag a quality mid too.
Players will need to be genuine dual position which is rare and risky as it might spread skills too thinly and makes those who see themselves as genuine mids like CMac a flight risk. It’s both a fascinating and critical pivot point in our list management strategy as we begin list rebalancing and Rough attacks the trade and FA market.

Or they just roll through and play in other positions, which is exactly what we’re already seeing happen.

 

[burger09]

There are no KPD's available in FA, outside of Battle. Which KPD's could we trade for?

A god father pre agent offer. We must have more than enough $$$.
Time to pay the price.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

A god father pre agent offer. We must have more than enough $$$.
Time to pay the price.

We tried with McKay, so I guess the club isn't scared to.

But who are the options? There aren't any this season.

 

[burger09]

We tried with McKay, so I guess the club isn't scared to.

But who are the options? There aren't any this season.

I think Taylor and Weitering are pre agents. Correct me if I'm wrong.

We must also be scouring the league for young defenders with the size and speed capable of filling the role. Need to maybe over pay and roll the dice on someone flying under the radar through injury or lack of opportunity. Pray there is one out there.

 

[SSSSSS]

Aleer and Mac Andrew both OOC in 2025. I'd be monitoring them closely. Both very talented. Andrew needs to pull his head in though.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Aleer and Mac Andrew both OOC in 2025. I'd be monitoring them closely. Both very talented. Andrew needs to pull his head in though.

I'd stay clear of Mac Andrew, wasn't as high on him as some in his draft year and then the attitude/off field issues throw me right off him.

 

[burger09]

Would be a disgrace if the AFL meddle in this.

We've seen it before and I'd be very surprised if it dosn't continue to happen.

 

[FB19]

Or they just roll through and play in other positions, which is exactly what we’re already seeing happen.

Yeah I addressed that and the risks it carries. There seems to be a trend across the comp towards having a smaller core group of mids with high CBA with bit players chopping out and we clearly did that last year as well with our 4. I’m just saying we have a lot of those players who I think are best served being high CBA players and they all can’t be. Day could move elsewhere but Newk Worpel Nash Ward Mackenzie Hustwaite are all suited to be high CBA mids and whilst he’s made a great go of it as a HF, I would add CMac as well. IMO it’s too many and we have options either through smith or the draft to add another high end mid. Something has to give and will at years end.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I think Ward can absolutely play on a wing. He did it at TAC level, and he spent a lot of time out on a wing during some of his best games at AFL level.

Newcombe has the tools to be able to rest forward.

Day could probably play anywhere on the field, but certainly could spend time on a wing and on the HBF.

MacDonald (if played as a rotational mid) can obviously spend time on a HFF.

The question marks are really just Worpel and Nash at this stage. Maybe Hustwaite too, but he did play as a tall defender at TAC level too.

 

[HedgeFund]

I think Taylor and Weitering are pre agents. Correct me if I'm wrong.

We must also be scouring the league for young defenders with the size and speed capable of filling the role. Need to maybe over pay and roll the dice on someone flying under the radar through injury or lack of opportunity. Pray there is one out there.

Weitering is entering his 9th season (debuted in 2016) so he is beyond FA already. Taylor is starting his 7th so I think you’re right with him.

 

[FB19]

I think Ward can absolutely play on a wing. He did it at TAC level, and he spent a lot of time out on a wing during some of his best games at AFL level.

Newcombe has the tools to be able to rest forward.

Day could probably play anywhere on the field, but certainly could spend time on a wing and on the HBF.

MacDonald (if played as a rotational mid) can obviously spend time on a HFF.

The question marks are really just Worpel and Nash at this stage. Maybe Hustwaite too, but he did play as a tall defender at TAC level too.

My point isn’t whether they can in small doses it’s whether we are best served and maybe more importantly whether they are. Hard to compete against 80% cba mids to develop your craft if you roll through far less.

 

[jumpingjai]

If the rumour on Smith is true we will have to be moving on 1 or even 2 mids who we wouldn’t have thought.
Day Newk Mackenzie Hustwaite seem locked into LT plans.
Ward CMac doubt we would want to lose but I’m struggling to see Ward as making it without being significant inside mid and pinch hitting wing not the other way around. Cmac a flight risk if not given mid role as that’s his background and his best fit and we need his burst and class in there.
Stephens unfortunately seems gone which leaves Worpel, Nash and Maginness and I think we only need 1 of them.
Bear in mind this doesn’t really speak to wings so we have 10 discussed for 3 mid spots. Also our first this year likely high end if we used it would snag a quality mid too.
Players will need to be genuine dual position which is rare and risky as it might spread skills too thinly and makes those who see themselves as genuine mids like CMac a flight risk. It’s both a fascinating and critical pivot point in our list management strategy as we begin list rebalancing and Rough attacks the trade and FA market.

Part of the club's strategy is to build up the list with sufficient depth that can then also be used to trade in for needed players

 

[FB19]

Part of the club's strategy is to build up the list with sufficient depth that can then also be used to trade in for needed players

And that’s essentially what I am saying will happen at year end which is fine.

 

[FB19]

Day, Newcombe, Smith, Nash, Worpel, McKenzie, Hustwaite.

With CMAC, Watson and Weddle running through.

Addresses speed, size and spread.

Agree with your second sentence, but if you are suggesting all of them play it’s too many and contrary to all other clubs and how they setup centre bounce. I can’t think of a club that has more than 4 players with 50% or more CBA attendance (excluding rucks of course) as you need specialists and then give them rests. Anyway if it works happy to eat humble pie but suspect it’s all part of finding out what we have and some will be moved on to allow rough to target what we need especially a KPD.

 

[hawkmang]

Surely the Dogs owe us for letting Bramble get there for free

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yeah I addressed that and the risks it carries. There seems to be a trend across the comp towards having a smaller core group of mids with high CBA with bit players chopping out and we clearly did that last year as well with our 4. I’m just saying we have a lot of those players who I think are best served being high CBA players and they all can’t be. Day could move elsewhere but Newk Worpel Nash Ward Mackenzie Hustwaite are all suited to be high CBA mids and whilst he’s made a great go of it as a HF, I would add CMac as well. IMO it’s too many and we have options either through smith or the draft to add another high end mid. Something has to give and will at years end.

There is no risk though.

The players who excel in the middle cement their place in the squad, those who are squeezed out, become depth or look elsewhere.

It is how you build strong lists.

 

[burner1]

Yep with 6-6-6 rules CBA has become a lot more important and does seem a smaller core group of mids rotated through than say 5-10 years ago. The best teams can load up their centre square and kick 4-5 goals quickly if opposition not switched on.

The obvious challenge from a list management perspective is we have limited resources. Loading up on more inside mids naturally leads to other parts of the field being neglected or not invested in. And having inside mids forced to play other roles that they are less suited to is poor use of resources and history suggests won’t get full value for them in a trade.

Reckon having talent in the right areas that works as a cohesive group is becoming as critical as ever. Our list has a strange skew to it at present - lots of guys who want to play inside mid, lots of hff types (but less deep crumbing types), and midsized flanker/3rd tall types. But arguably short of Kpp, outside types and possibly small defenders/forwards at home in d/f50.