Haynes trade

[catempire]

According to the Bartel article in today’s Herald Sun, Haynes is the only player at Geelong up for trade.

I think he’d be a handy pickup at a club which already has a good forward structure (e.g. Essendon) but not somewhere where he would be a focal point (e.g. Bulldogs).

What’s the best we could hope for in a trade for him?

Second round, at a pinch?

 

[Unwritten_Law]

He would be a handy get for someone but I don't think we would get anything much for him. A 2nd rounder is extremely unlikely given we traded an early second rounder for him and the pick that go us Spencer and has lost value since.

 

[jmain14]

What’s the best we could hope for in a trade for him?

Second round, at a pinch?

that would be unrealistic I would of thought.

 

[catempire]

I did say "at a pinch". I think 2nd round would be absolute best case scenario.

On the other hand, I'd rather hang onto him than delist or trade for late 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

[jim boy]

I did say "at a pinch". I think 2nd round would be absolute best case scenario.

On the other hand, I'd rather hang onto him than delist or trade for late 3rd or 4th rounder.

Why would we trade for a late third or fourth pick? We would be pretty unlikely to use such a pick. The only reason we might is as a favour to Haynes to get him to the club of his choice.

 

[catempire]

Why would we trade for a late third or fourth pick? We would be pretty unlikely to use such a pick. The only reason we might is as a favour to Haynes to get him to the club of his choice.

I agree! I said I'd rather hang onto him than do that.

 

[ablettfvr]

Get rawlings

 

[cs61]

I'm surprised. When I first saw him play I thought he'd be very important to Geelong, but he never really stepped up. I think he can play a bit and will get picked up, just surprised that Geelong didn't/doesn't want to keep him.

 

[Mr Sensitive]

i can't see any club giving up a round pick to snare Haynes. Expect his name to be thrown about during trade week but ultimately he will be delisted. Haynes has been a serious letdown imo.. on a lead he is pretty good but once he gets the ball he has no idea what to do with it.. a very good VFL footballer but a crap AFL player

 

[Jack-Packenham]

I can see us trading Haynes and a pick for a slightly lower pick. e.g Haynes and pick 47 to kangaroos for pick 45. That's if there will be any team that wants him. I just thought of the kangas because they were stupid enough to give up Teague for McKernan.

 

[Turbocat]

Haynes and P31 to Richmond for P24 and P40

 

[coasting]

Is this the same David Haynes we offloaded onto you guys?

 

[ecleftic]

Is this the same David Haynes we offloaded onto you guys?

Yes. You want him back?? He'd like to go to the Bullies.



Go CATS!!

 

[astro_toby]

Haynes and P31 to Richmond for P24 and P40

no thanks, you can keep your own trash. been dumped by 2 teams in a very short time

 

[Partridge]

I did say "at a pinch". I think 2nd round would be absolute best case scenario.

On the other hand, I'd rather hang onto him than delist or trade for late 3rd or 4th rounder.

Maybe, but any draft pick can provide value. There's a bit of a myth that unless you get a pick in the top 10 nothing of use is left, history tells a very different tale. Mark Coughlan, Simon Black, Corey Enright were all in the 30s I believe, whereas Rory Hilton, Aaron Fiora and Alan Didak were top 10. Tell me which group of players is better.

Remember the draft now is as much about athletic measurements as it is football ability, and the 2 don't always match up. Trent Croad v Steve Johnson - who's the footballer and who's the athlete?

 

[tayls]

Maybe, but any draft pick can provide value. There's a bit of a myth that unless you get a pick in the top 10 nothing of use is left, history tells a very different tale. Mark Coughlan, Simon Black, Corey Enright were all in the 30s I believe, whereas Rory Hilton, Aaron Fiora and Alan Didak were top 10. Tell me which group of players is better.

Remember the draft now is as much about athletic measurements as it is football ability, and the 2 don't always match up. Trent Croad v Steve Johnson - who's the footballer and who's the athlete?

You talk to much sense to be on here. Good call.

 

[jmain14]

You talk to much sense to be on here. Good call.

yeah he does make good points; although I doubt the pies would be unhappy with didak and taking him as a top 10 draft selection. categorising him with fiora and hilton may be a little harsh but I do see the point he is making. I wouldn't call trent croad an athlete without acknowledging that he has some football nouse either - that again may be being a little harsh. his past 2 seasons have proved that he can play the game a bit as well as be an athlete at the same time.

 

[Turbocat]

There are probably heaps of eg. of these numerial hicups.One could go crazy looking at all the options one's team has missed.Youve mentioned Steve Dog Johnson picked at 24 in 01, the super draft. There probably 5-10 players that were drafted before him that now are lesser players. Gram, Elstone, Harvey, Watson and Cole.Those clubs would not like that and have worked to ensure it doesnt happen again.

Every year the process becomes more professional and a little less guess work.There would be very little not know on most the players 40 and up.The long shots, the Gwilt's,Davey's,Egans of the draft will still occur but they will become rarer.Look at Hawthorn this year have taken around 11 staff to draft camp.

I suppose what Im saying is yes one can still pick up players worth their place in later rounds but I'd still like to have the choice the earliest pick I can.

 

[scottydeewah]

Sanderson joined the club in 1995 after managing 10 games in stints at Adelaide and Collingwood, but went on to play 199 games over 10 years for the Cats and establish himself as one of the club's favourite sons.

I think we should look to trade Haynes for another player. See he doesnt fit into our structure. Maybe a player who hasnt gone well at another club or has fallen out of favour. Basically what I am saying is a mature age player is probably about as big a risk as pick 50 so why not give it a go.

Whilst I dont disagree with Turbocat I think that as long as they are picking up 16-17 year old kids to draft there is still guess work. For example you have a player who is 17 and blitzing in the TAC cup, you draft him and he doesnt improve all that much, then you have another kid who is a bit lazy and taking life easy, you draft them and after some setbacks decided at 20 that they are going to knuckle down. How can you predict something like that?

 

[scottydeewah]

categorising him with fiora and hilton

Hilton was a fair gun before his knee gave away...twice.

Fevloa was taken at a pick that now resembles what he gets paid.

 

[nananana catman]

I wouldnt midn the idea of Andrew Welsh as somewhat of a replacement for Sanderson. Dunno if you could just swap Haynes for him, but maybe Haynes and a 3rd or second round pick would be something to consider imo.

 

[Turbocat]

I think we should look to trade Haynes for another player. See he doesnt fit into our structure. Maybe a player who hasnt gone well at another club or has fallen out of favour. Basically what I am saying is a mature age player is probably about as big a risk as pick 50 so why not give it a go.

Whilst I dont disagree with Turbocat I think that as long as they are picking up 16-17 year old kids to draft there is still guess work. For example you have a player who is 17 and blitzing in the TAC cup, you draft him and he doesnt improve all that much, then you have another kid who is a bit lazy and taking life easy, you draft them and after some setbacks decided at 20 that they are going to knuckle down. How can you predict something like that?

Cant disagree with you either Scotty. Every year there kids that dont get drafted that might in two years time be well worth a place on the list.The best player I have ever seen conforms to the that mould although it was more than a couple years for him.Some guys just arnt ready to get serious untill the are 20 something

The advantage of the Nat Draft is the funnelling that it does to the talent,presenting them to all clubs under the same assessment criteria. Because of this I'd say most clubs would think they could get one player from an R1 pick and another from R2 and R3. Then the real value longshots the Rookies give more kids a chance over a longer period.

After all this do they miss players, yes. The players that miss, disperse and play at different levels all over the place. If one had the capacity to intensly scope this group of players Id think you would find a player nearly every year but of course it would be a very high cost for that player, its probably an approach for a club like Collingwood to look at. The advantage we had with Egan was he was here playing with us, and we knew his qualities as person/player. Id like to see all clubs allowed to have a tie to an other group of players to complement their Rookies. For us to get Egan , we had to risk him to all the other clubs in the draft wereas we get dibs on our rookies.

The main board has tossed up the rumour that we are looking at Teague at Carlton.To me he would be handy as a ready made option to fill Sando , 25years old,187 and 90kg,CFC B&F. If we could get him for R3 or for Haynes, I think it would be a win/win and Id bet on him as much as any R3 pick this year.

 

[scottydeewah]

The main board has tossed up the rumour that we are looking at Teague at Carlton

Yep something like this. It is a risk and the bloke may never even get a senior game, but if we do get some injuries in our backline then he is a ready made replacement. Also Rooke may move into the midfield and tag a bit more often next year. He has certainly shown that he has the engine and skills to do it and the boy is one tough unit. Either way I would rather see a player than a pick right now.

 

[Tweak Talent]

Several posts claim Ryley Dunn is being shopped around.
I doubt freo would want haynes in any kind of deal but is dunn worth going after?
for 1st round pick?

 

[Unwritten_Law]

I wouldnt midn the idea of Andrew Welsh as somewhat of a replacement for Sanderson. Dunno if you could just swap Haynes for him, but maybe Haynes and a 3rd or second round pick would be something to consider imo.

Or Ben Johnson from Collingwood. Teague is only good for a Jared Rooke esque sacrificial lamb role, he is too slow to pick up a small, not big enough for a key forward.