heatwave

[Dipper]

Originally posted by Mooster7
We've had temperatures of about 40 C with humidity heat index of 43.5 C for quite a while now. Sucks when you first get in your car, but not too bad other than that.

In defense of the French (did I really just say that?) they don't get heat like that. The majority of their structures aren't built to shed as much heat, and central air conditioning is uncommon by comparison.

I read an article ove here in England about the situation in France & it said that there was a lack of enthsiasm for AC, they see it as an Americanisation & believe that they can do without it.

It then went onto to say imagine the outcry if so many old people died in the winter because they didn't have heating in their homes but there's no such comment passed on people not having AC.

 

[Mooster7]

Originally posted by DIPPER
I read an article ove here in England about the situation in France & it said that there was a lack of enthsiasm for AC, they see it as an Americanisation & believe that they can do without it.

Your house should be frosty IMO. I keep my place at 21.1 C during Spring, Summer and Fall. In the Winter, I drop her down to 18.3 C. I pay out the nose for it too, but it's worth it. Especially when you have guests over.

They'd rather die than use an Americanisation? That's stupid on top of tragic. I'd run my AC if it was considered devil worshiping.

Tragic.


PS: Notice how I'm not making any remarks how the US Third Army was an 'Americanisation' but they didn't complain about that? Nope. Not going to do it. I'm a cosmopolitan sumbitch.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Look at your reply to mantis. That says it all really. If you think that people need to be "eliminated" because YOU think that the world is too populated, then your ethics ARE in question. You are the one who blantantly stated this... so five thousand people died and that means it's good because Earth is overpopulated? This is why your ethics are in question, and this is exactly the reason why I'm calling you an idiot.

try reading my post again. this time maybe you would want to take notes. I NEVER said people NEED to be eliminated. If it happens, then any reduction in a species that is causing massive ecological damage to the world is a good thing. We cull kangaroos in australia because they cannot maintain ecological equilibrium.

This doesnt mean that i want people to die. If you think that, you are wrong. IF people die, well, thats another matter.

So far you havent denied that over 6 BILLION people in this world are too many.

I'm not here to change anything, I am merely pointing out your idoicy.

My "idiocy" is simply a diferent way of viewing this problem. Your stupidity is not being able to see that, and attributing your petty ideas to my statement.

Utter BS. Care to back your statement up here with some evidence? Even if there are too many people on this planet, why would five thousand people dying of heatstroke make a difference? And why 'should' they die, because you think the planet can't support them and we're better off without them? Absolute rubbish.

again, where did i say people SHOULD die? you are trying to twist a simple statement to meet your needs, and failing miserably at it. You are pathetic in your attempts to justify your rash statement. If you can come up with a reasonable excuse, come back to me on this one.


as you say : your argument is "absolute rubbish" and "Utter BS"

You deserve to be called names when you joke about death (well, in this case). I'm all in for French jokes, but if you're joking about five thousand people dying (and being serious about 'human reduction being good') then you're an idiot in my book.

Why can't you talk this over yourself?

your "book" means nothing to me, and your idea that i am an idiot just proves that you cannot think beyond your own petty misconceptions.

And tell me what joke doesnt rely on the misfortune of others? Give me an example of humour that doesnt relate to death, pain, or misfortune.

It would be a rare thing to happen if there is one.

Stop taking yourself so ****en seriously. You cant argue a point. You attempts at insults are boring, pathetic and meaningless.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Exactly! But in this case, our friend otaku preferred the method of elimination rather than lowering the birth rate.

yet again i point you to my post

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There are too many people in this world. Any reduction in the numbers of our species has to be good.
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Where, o where does it say that i think people should be killed? It has happened.

I am not saying, lets go kill 5000 french. I am saying it has happened, so it inst that bad a thing from an ecological view.

Please try a new tactic, cause this one aint working.

 

[mustapha]

Otaku, what is your opinion on ethnic cleansing?

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by mustapha
Otaku, what is your opinion on ethnic cleansing?

Ethnic cleansing?

I think it is wrong to kill people based on ethnicity.

If you think that is what i am saying here, you are wrong. I have just pointed out, that from an ecological view, the thinning of a species that cannot work in equilibrium with its environment has to be a good thing.

that is totally different to saying "all (jews/french/serbs/croatians/******s/japanese/russians) should be wiped out".

 

[P_D]

But otaku what about horrible horrible tragedies like, for example, Sep 11 and the bali bombings? Surely you don't believe that this too was a good way of reducing population?

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by P_D
But otaku what about horrible horrible tragedies like, for example, Sep 11 and the bali bombings? Surely you don't believe that this too was a good way of reducing population?

i dont advocate these acts at all.

I feel that the killing of people is one of the most abhorent things in this world to happen. HOWEVER, from an ecological view, they reduction of a population that is not in equilibrium with its environment is viewed as a positive thing.

Dont assume that i want these things to happen.

 

[P_D]

I didn't assume you did...

But these aren't natural acts of elimination...

Sure, the french's opposition to Air Con, is natural stupidity...

Wouldn't it be safe(r) to say that elimination MIGHT be necessary in under-developed countries with an over-developed population? Those countries without the economic resources? I'm not saying that these people should be picked above anyone else, of course not... but as a generalisation, I don't really think that France as a country is suffering population boom...

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by P_D
I didn't assume you did...

But these aren't natural acts of elimination...

Sure, the french's opposition to Air Con, is natural stupidity...

Wouldn't it be safe(r) to say that elimination MIGHT be necessary in under-developed countries with an over-developed population? Those countries without the economic resources? I'm not saying that these people should be picked above anyone else, of course not... but as a generalisation, I don't really think that France as a country is suffering population boom...

no, again you are stating that it is a good idea to eliminate people.

I have never said that. If it happens, it is a different matter. I dont want people to go around commiting genocide.

 

[P_D]

Argh! I'm not suggesting it to be a good idea at all! I'm simply saying that the elimination of the French, which is overall a particularly balanced country, does not make the world 'a better place'.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by P_D
Wouldn't it be safe(r) to say that elimination MIGHT be necessary in under-developed countries with an over-developed population?

seems clear to me.

France, america, africa, china, australia: it doesnt matter.

Anywhere it happens, it happens. I am not saying that it is good because french have died, but because of the lessennig of the population

 

[P_D]

I don't particularly feel I have to justify myself, but all my posts have gone under the hypothetical assumption that your beliefs are valid...

Something tells me if your family were "eliminated" you wouldn't be feeling the way you do...

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by P_D

Something tells me if your family were "eliminated" you wouldn't be feeling the way you do...

The human tragedy is bad, but overall - so what?

you have no idea of my family situation, and you just make yourself look stupid when you bring it up. It is the classic retort of someone who has no idea of the argument

 

[P_D]

Jesus Christ, did I presume to know about your family situation? Yeah that'd be right, call people stupid when they hit a nerve...
Should I replace it with "someone you're close to?" Talk about picky...

 

[Grendel]

You opened the thread with
Originally posted by otaku
'3000 less french


makes the world a better place.

Note, less French. Not less humans but less French. Identifying one nationality and one only. Theres been various other deaths throughout Europe over this heatwave but no mention of those. Only that 3000 (later 5000) dead French is a good thing.

You then go on to say 'my ethics arnt in question at all. I am not killing french, nor am i suggesting they should be killed.'



Reading your opening post and then the latter post and the increased numbers of dead makes it read like what your saying is exactly that.

'i have done nothing wrong ethically.'

Yea, you just keep telling yourself that.

 

[otaku]

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Originally posted by Grendel
You opened the thread with '3000 less french


makes the world a better place.

Note, less French. Not less humans but less French. Identifying one nationality and one only. Theres been various other deaths throughout Europe over this heatwave but no mention of those. Only that 3000 (later 5000) dead French is a good thing.

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you will also note that the article is about the FRENCH! There is nothing in that article about any other part of Europe. So of course I was talking about the french.



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You then go on to say 'my ethics arnt in question at all. I am not killing french, nor am i suggesting they should be killed.'

Reading your opening post and then the latter post and the increased numbers of dead makes it read like what your saying is exactly that.

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yet another example of someone reading what they want to read, rather than what is posted. If the article had been 5000 english dead, then my post would have read "5000 less english"

you seem to feel that my comment on the article means that i wish french people death. Who do you think i am , mantis or someone?



quote:
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'i have done nothing wrong ethically.'

Yea, you just keep telling yourself that.
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point out anything i have done in this post that is ethically wrong.


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These little comments benefit no one. They are neither funny nor clever.

- Adolf Hitler

 

[Grendel]

Still doesn't change that you singuarly said 'French' rather than Humans/people.

I read what I want yea and you keep your ethics how you want them too.

 

[otaku]

Originally posted by Grendel
Still doesn't change that you singuarly said 'French' rather than Humans/people.

I read what I want yea and you keep your ethics how you want them too.

of course it doesnt change the fact that i said french. I was refering to the article.

Seems you have gone off half cocked here grendal.

My ethics have not been compromised one bit. And it seems that you cant show that they have. So, hows about an apology for being a bit over eager, and getting things wrong?

 

[Mobbs]

Wow. Poor taste, indeed.

If you don't think ...

Originally posted by otaku
3000 less french

makes the world a better place

... is going to appear to every person and their pet as an horrifically racist comment, verging on endorsing genocide, then you might need to brush up on your communicative skills, Mister!

Even if you didn't intend to make the point that everybody else seems to have taken from your post, well, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by otaku
try reading my post again. this time maybe you would want to take notes.

Five thousand people killed, and you've based your argument (that human reduction is good) on that incident.

I NEVER said people NEED to be eliminated.

You didn't say that specifically, but you had brought up something along the lines of "a reduction of humans is a good thing", based (key word here, based) on that article you had posted. That's telling me that:

a) Your ethics are questionable.

b) You believe that their deaths were "good", based on your original argument. They died, therefore eliminated from the population. It doesn't matter how they died, the population is < 5000 than it was before. Going by your quote that reduction is good, you have therefore concluded that their deaths were good for the purpose YOU have provided.

c) You're an idiot.

If it happens, then any reduction in a species that is causing massive ecological damage to the world is a good thing.

There, we see? "If it happens", you see it as a good thing. Death is good, is it? You've defined that the death of people is good, have you not? Of couse you have, going by your post I have quoted above.

We cull kangaroos in australia because they cannot maintain ecological equilibrium.

Why are you comparing kangaroos to humans? That is a very bad analogy to use; so I suppose we should go out and cull or own species because, coming from YOUR argument here, that there are too many of us? And it's a good thing? The word idiot is justified.

This doesnt mean that i want people to die. If you think that, you are wrong. IF people die, well, thats another matter.

But you just said their deaths were a "good thing"... and you've used the stupid analogy of culling kangaroos compared to the overpopulation of HUMANS.

So far you havent denied that over 6 BILLION people in this world are too many.

Yes, I haven't denied it. I want factual evidence of what you're claiming. But that's not the point; I'm questioning your ethics. You think human reduction is a good thing, and you've come up with that BASED on your article. You've also said that their deaths were good because of all this overpopulation nonsense. France doesn't even have any problems in that respect, but joking about people dying and stating that their deaths was a "good thing" is what is under qustion here. And don't say that you haven't, because I have the quotes FROM YOU to back me up. What do you have? Utter idoicy and questionable ethics.

My "idiocy" is simply a diferent way of viewing this problem.

Do you even know why I'm calling you an idiot? Please answer this question.

Your stupidity is not being able to see that, and attributing your petty ideas to my statement.

My stupidity is that I'm still arguing with an idiot like you... you have completely missed my point. And please tell me, how are my ideas petty? Questioning your agruments about human reduction based on that ONE article, and questioning your ethics (or lack thereof) is considered petty? Or did you add that word just to spice up your idiotic argument?

again, where did i say people SHOULD die?

I've already addressed this point. Five thousand people die, and you're saying it's good because the world is overpopulated? Hey, that's what you said...

you are trying to twist a simple statement to meet your needs, and failing miserably at it.

My needs are simple; I'm pointing out your questionable ethics and telling you that you're an idiot because you're joking about the 5000 people that died. You have also said that their deaths were "good" because YOU think the world is overpopulated. And I think I've pointed them out well enough already; the simple statement was that "3000 less French makes the world a better place"... THAT indicates something wrong with your ethics and justifies why you're an idiot.

How am I failing if you cannot even give any evidence that human reduction is a good thing and that I'm pointing out something really obvious to you? Just keep to your shell... because you'll always think you're right. You're not...

You are pathetic in your attempts to justify your rash statement. If you can come up with a reasonable excuse, come back to me on this one.

My attempts are better than your piles of unethical rubbish if you ask me. I've already pointed out why.

as you say : your argument is "absolute rubbish" and "Utter BS"

Give me some good reasons why they are... I want to see what you're capable of coming up with. I'm not holding my breath.

your "book" means nothing to me,

Straight over your head. Has it sunk in yet?

and your idea that i am an idiot just proves that you cannot think beyond your own petty misconceptions.

How are they petty misconceptions? That I don't agree with you on that five thousand people dead is a good thing and it makes the world a better place? You're an idiot because of your unethical stance, and what you've stated on this thread. Don't make yourself look like more of an idiot by trying to back your rubbish up.

And tell me what joke doesnt rely on the misfortune of others? Give me an example of humour that doesnt relate to death, pain, or misfortune.

This is real life... jokes relating to death aren't supposed to be serious. But from what I've seen, you think it's "good" for people to die. That is not humour, even intended as a joke.

There are plenty of jokes out there that don't rely on death, or are you just too ignorant to know that?

Stop taking yourself so ****en seriously. You cant argue a point.

I'm not here to bask in my own glory. I'm trying to point out that you have questionable ethics, and that what you've posted makes you look like an idiot. So far, all you have managed is to give me more ammunition to make my points stronger. Keep on going, you'll fall harder if you keep on defending your "ethics" and viewpoint that 5000 people dying is a good thing.

You attempts at insults are boring, pathetic and meaningless.

I'm just pointing out things very obviously just so you get the idea. I've made my points quite clear to you... and three words aren't going to prove that there is nothing wrong with your ethics and that you're not an idiot.

This one's a gem:

My ethics have not been compromised one bit. And it seems that you cant show that they have.

Too late.

 

[Grendel]

Originally posted by Otaku
yet another example of someone reading what they want to read, rather than what is posted. If the article had been 5000 english dead, then my post would have read "5000 less english"

And the point is totally missed. TOTALLY missed. Funny how Mobbs nailed it straight away. Have a read of his post and try again. Your quite fond of 'reading what they want to read' into a post. Try it with others rather than just your own.

you seem to feel that my comment on the article means that i wish french people death. Who do you think i am , mantis or someone?

Never seen Mantis wish death on the French in any post, are you saying she has? But your comment 'French Fries' would indicate pleasure or amusment in the deaths even if not outright wishing for them.

point out anything i have done in this post that is ethically wrong.

Your ethics or mine? Or Mobbs, Thrawns or others that found the comment repungnant?

of course it doesnt change the fact that i said french. I was refering to the article.

The article doesnt mention the French. It mentions the number of the dead. YOU introduce the notion of '3000 less French is a 'good thing'.

My ethics have not been compromised one bit. And it seems that you cant show that they have. So, hows about an apology for being a bit over eager, and getting things wrong?

As said, you just keep telling yourself what you want. Apology? Yea, I'm sorry for you, more sorry than you'd know.

 

[Dipper]

Originally posted by Mooster7


PS: Notice how I'm not making any remarks how the US Third Army was an 'Americanisation' but they didn't complain about that? Nope. Not going to do it. I'm a cosmopolitan sumbitch.

Yeah mate I did notice how you managed not to make any remarks about the US 3rd Army being an Americanisation ...........


........................you cosmopolitan sumbitch