Henderson-What do we do ?

[gbatman]

Just needs more

haha, beefcake! Careful with that, I think we had Lance on that stuff!

 

[thylacine60]

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Henderson is still maturing, he'll be right. You look at the top sides forward combinations: Cloke/Daws/Brown, Lynch/Kennedy/Nick Nat/Cox, Franklin/Roughead, Ottens/Pods.

These guys are monsters. They are big mature bodied strong footballers.

Henderson, in comparison is light framed and no where near as strong and this is because he's still young and isn't a real early maturer. We just have to wait until he gets there. He didn't have a good preseason this year. Expect big things next year if things go right for him. He is still very young for a tall player. Yes he's struggling a bit but that doesn't mean he's not making progress. He'll get there, plying key position is not for the boys, give this time.

I think though if Waite is in the side with Henderson it could complement both of them and take physical pressure off both. It needs to be tried to see if it works, it should.

I was discussing these forward combo's with my brother today at the game and think we need to really start planning for developing our backline to counter these types in September. We believe Henderson could become our CHB as it appears that Bower's season is just about shot and not sure he is big enough for these types anyway.

I really hope the coaching staff are thinking about what our defensive structure and alignment needs to be to enable us to win finals and start to try and get continuity of games with the group down there once we have them all available.

 

[gbatman]

I was discussing these forward combo's with my brother today at the game and think we need to really start planning for developing our backline to counter these types in September. We believe Henderson could become our CHB as it appears that Bower's season is just about shot and not sure he is big enough for these types anyway.

I really hope the coaching staff are thinking about what our defensive structure and alignment needs to be to enable us to win finals and start to try and get continuity of games with the group down there once we have them all available.

This keeps going through my mind too. It's only a minority of teams that have monster forwardlines like these but it happens to be the top few teams in the comp that do and to win a premiership, which is what it's all about, we need to beat those sides.

I've never been dissapointed with Henderson when he plays defence and perhaps having him at CHB is a good idea. Do we play him there consistantly to get him in form for defence or do we move him there when we need him there?

I've always thought Bower will make our side but he can't seem to get on the park. I can't see how he will be fit this season. Thornton is doing a great job but is he undersized at CHB against these sides? Watson is still too raw and Setanta isn't a natural defender.

I'm thinking that we might need to have a plan B for these types where we do start Hendo at CHB.

 

[Beloved]

There's not much we can do other than send him to the Bullants and let him start again. It's the same pattern with all young key position defenders. Chances are this will happen a few more times.

With Waite and Setanta on the way back, we will be able to cope.

 

[Silvagnis]

Why would you send him back to the VFL?

Setanta is, well, I won't go there.

With Waite returning, Lachie will get the second best defender.

No one seems to be paying any respect to Glass and Mackenzie who played well today.

And acknowledging that our delivery and set up was terrible.

 

[blue_chick]

Firstly Setanta wasn't firing. Ratten was livid for his selfishness in his last game for us against Port Adelaide and Setanta is now also injured.
Hasn't been playing any football at all.

Um yes he was firing.
Think it's not fair to say Ratt's was livid with Setanta only. He was pissed off with Jeffy Walker and the rest of the selfish play they where dishing out in that first half against Port.

Setanta is a much better player than Henderson. He belong's in the VFL not good enough playing a good game against Brisbane and every one on here getting all excited over it. This is the big league and he will keep getting shown up against the better side's.

Before you say it, yes I know Setanta is injured, but Setanta with 1 hand is better than Henderson. At least he makes a contest and bring's the ball down for the small's. Gosh I would prefer Casboult than Henderson. For the rest of the season we can not carry passanger's if we want that second chance in final's so Henderson back to the reserve's for you.

 

[Silvagnis]

Um yes he was firing.
Think it's not fair to say Ratt's was livid with Setanta only. He was pissed off with Jeffy Walker and the rest of the selfish play they where dishing out in that first half against Port.

Setanta is a much better player than Henderson. He belong's in the VFL not good enough playing a good game against Brisbane and every one on here getting all excited over it. This is the big league and he will keep getting shown up against the better side's.

Before you say it, yes I know Setanta is injured, but Setanta with 1 hand is better than Henderson. At least he makes a contest and bring's the ball down for the small's. Gosh I would prefer Casboult than Henderson. For the rest of the season we can not carry passanger's if we want that second chance in final's so Henderson back to the reserve's for you.

Go away troll.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

This keeps going through my mind too. It's only a minority of teams that have monster forwardlines like these but it happens to be the top few teams in the comp that do and to win a premiership, which is what it's all about, we need to beat those sides.

I've never been dissapointed with Henderson when he plays defence and perhaps having him at CHB is a good idea. Do we play him there consistantly to get him in form for defence or do we move him there when we need him there?

I've always thought Bower will make our side but he can't seem to get on the park. I can't see how he will be fit this season. Thornton is doing a great job but is he undersized at CHB against these sides? Watson is still too raw and Setanta isn't a natural defender.

I'm thinking that we might need to have a plan B for these types where we do start Hendo at CHB.

I would like to see them settle Henderson at CHB for a few weeks to serve 2 purposes.

1- Gain a bit of confidence without the pressure of performing up forward and education of how to play the CHF role when the opportunity arise to push him forward.

2- Give someone like O'hailpin the opportunity to play up forward doing all the grunt work to create more ground level opportunities for Garlett & Betts and match up problems for the defenders to try and cover Waite, Walker and Kreuzer when he pushes forward.

If Henderson can perform at CHB it helps our team defensive structure to allow Thorton, Duigan, Laidler, Gibbs, Yarran etc to play their roles on more suitable opponents as well as provide arial support as a 3rd man up.

 

[blue_chick]

im new on here but guys give the kid a break dont you remember how kennedy was with us at the start of the career?
he was in the same boat as henderson is now every fan gettin on his back because he was never holding his marks, in and out of the sidee and now look at him abseloute gun. give the kid some time this kids going to be a gun CHF for years to come

At the risk of losing top 4 position NO THANK YOU

 

[Beloved]

I would like to see them settle Henderson at CHB for a few weeks to serve 2 purposes.

1- Gain a bit of confidence without the pressure of performing up forward and education of how to play the CHF role when the opportunity arise to push him forward.

2- Give someone like O'hailpin the opportunity to play up forward doing all the grunt work to create more ground level opportunities for Garlett & Betts and match up problems for the defenders to try and cover Waite, Walker and Kreuzer when he pushes forward.

If Henderson can perform at CHB it helps our team defensive structure to allow Thorton, Duigan, Laidler, Gibbs, Yarran etc to play their roles on more suitable opponents as well as provide arial support as a 3rd man up.

Not a bad idea.

He was quite effective when used as a backman today. Could really help out while our defence is looking a bit proppy.

 

[setanta17]

OK, havent posted on this site for 12 months or so... so this marks my return!

Henderson really struggled today in the first half in the forward line. To me, he does not look like a natural forward, he does not work hard enough in terms of doubling back and making leads to GOOD positions. Rather, he leads out to the boundary line and most of the time his opponent is right behind him ready to spoil. Also, he doesn't seem to contest well enough, doesn't bring the ball down to the feet of the rovers. I remember at one stage in the match the ball was kicked in long and Kreuzer cleverly put it down to Betts who kicked the goal.
Henderson at the moment is NOT giving us a contest up forward and he is unfortunately in my eyes a liability in the forward line.

Today really showed how important Waite is to the team as without him we really have no marking power up forward- this is proven by the fact that we only took 1 mark inside 50 in the first half! That is an embarrasing statistic.

However, Henderson, once he went to play defence, actually played a solid game and he seems far more comfortable there.

I think having Setanta and Waite in the forward line along with Betts, Garlett and Walker will be far more dangerous.

 

[Krooooze]

I actually thought Hendo held his own against Kennedy in the second half today, he pretty much blanketed him in the second half, I think Hendo might have to settle for a role down back, he has the size to compete with the likes of Kennedy, I just don't think he has the smarts to become a key forward. And with Jammo always injured we could probably use him down back

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Not a bad idea.

He was quite effective when used as a backman today. Could really help out while our defence is looking a bit proppy.

I just think we have not much to lose by trying this with Henderson for 5 to 6 weeks, if we can turn a negetive into a positive well that is great for the team = net gain!!!

 

[[ToTTi]]

I haven't read the whole thread so apols if already mentioned, but I watch Hendo closely and I think the biggest issue is his marking technique:

1. He doesn't fully extend his arms when trying to take a grab, he just slightly extends them. This makes it all too easy for defenders to get a spoil in. You will notice it alot out of yesterday's game and even go back to the Essendon game when Fletcher destroyed him, every ball into him just gets picked off at ease. If he fully extended his arms up, defenders wouldn't be able to get a spoil in (he is 196cm) and if they do, they will most likely give away a free for an arm chop.

2. He doesn't run and jump. He tries to mark on the spot. Not sure why this is... Needs to be fixed asap.

If you add the two together, he will start marking more balls, receiving more frees for being manhandled, and hopefully will be on the scoreboard more.

 

[setanta17]

I haven't read the whole thread so apols if already mentioned, but I watch Hendo closely and I think the biggest issue is his marking technique:

1. He doesn't fully extend his arms when trying to take a grab, he just slightly extends them. This makes it all too easy for defenders to get a spoil in. You will notice it alot out of yesterday's game and even go back to the Essendon game when Fletcher destroyed him, every ball into him just gets picked off at ease. If he fully extended his arms up, defenders wouldn't be able to get a spoil in (he is 196cm) and if they do, they will most likely give away a free for an arm chop.

2. He doesn't run and jump. He tries to mark on the spot. Not sure why this is... Needs to be fixed asap.

If you add the two together, he will start marking more balls, receiving more frees for being manhandled, and hopefully will be on the scoreboard more.

This is a very good observation. Compare Henderson to someone like Josh Kennedy who gets good elevation and then extends the dukes. Henderson merely spots and puts up his arms, making it incredibly easy for the defender to get a fist in. The only players who can get away with marking like he is attempting to are players like Tippet who naturally have a height advantage. For Henderson, I would like to see him back in Bullants for a month to recapture form/ learn how to lead/mark properly!

 

[blue_chick]

Go away troll.

Can't you handle the truth Sargent.

Out of all the other post's on here bagging Henderson and giving their opinion's you allways want to start on me.

I wish you and your bullshit would go away so I don't have to read the crap that come's out of you typing

 

[Blueboys7]

I just think we have not much to lose by trying this with Henderson for 5 to 6 weeks, if we can turn a negetive into a positive well that is great for the team = net gain!!!

I tend to agree.

He's played well there and even if it is for a short period it could help us. He has struggled since the Brisbane game and while I still think that he will be a CHF in the long term, he could have an immediate impact at CHB in the short term.

It's a lot easier to play behind the ball and his field kicking is generally pretty good so it could be a real positive.

This only works if Waite can come back in and get back to the form he was showing before his injury. He needs to kick some goals and crash some packs.

 

[Blueboys7]

Can't you handle the truth Sargent.

Out of all the other post's on here bagging Henderson and giving their opinion's you allways want to start on me.

I wish you and your bullshit would go away so I don't have to read the crap that come's out of you typing

He adds much more to this board than you do.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I haven't read the whole thread so apols if already mentioned, but I watch Hendo closely and I think the biggest issue is his marking technique:

1. He doesn't fully extend his arms when trying to take a grab, he just slightly extends them. This makes it all too easy for defenders to get a spoil in. You will notice it alot out of yesterday's game and even go back to the Essendon game when Fletcher destroyed him, every ball into him just gets picked off at ease. If he fully extended his arms up, defenders wouldn't be able to get a spoil in (he is 196cm) and if they do, they will most likely give away a free for an arm chop.

2. He doesn't run and jump. He tries to mark on the spot. Not sure why this is... Needs to be fixed asap.

If you add the two together, he will start marking more balls, receiving more frees for being manhandled, and hopefully will be on the scoreboard more.

Dont disagree with his marking technique and duke extension being an issue but I think the delivery or kick to advantage of our forwards, kick longer to dangerous areas and allowing a loose man back there with a small forward set up is compounding his individual problems and his confidence.

He needs to find the footy more regularly to gain some touch and form, thats why I think a few weeks across half back could help and also more bigger support options like Waite, O'hailpin etc.

 

[Big Red is back]

I just think we have not much to lose by trying this with Henderson for 5 to 6 weeks, if we can turn a negetive into a positive well that is great for the team = net gain!!!

Perfect he has the size to be a key back and we need another one for Dawes so let's try it.

 

[Big Red is back]

Go away troll.

Mmmmmmm..... Uncalled for

 

[blue_chick]

He adds much more to this board than you do.

Yeah sure he does.
If you don't agree with him straight away your a troll

Not everyone agree's with him if you read all the post's on here, but all I get from him is your a troll. He need's a new line or start to respect everyone's opinions on here or he will get as good as he give's.

P.S I think most people would prefer Waite and Irish to Henderson that is when we played our best footy. Or am I being a Troll now

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Perfect he has the size to be a key back and we need another one for Dawes so let's try it.

And these are the match ups that we need to focus on if we want to be serious contenders in September, start planning our defensive structure now and build on it and see how it goes with a few games together.

 

[Big Red is back]

No pre-season, played a bad game and had poor midfield supply when he was forward.

Next.

Three games out of four has been poor as a fwd, played well against Bris who I doubt we will play in finals. Showed something as a defender, significant discussion.


Fitness should be fine by now.