Here we go....Hawks blaming the Umps!

[the distributer]

just wondering if you think maxwell deserved the free kick when HE charged the hawk player and then went down like the girl he is ? . he also did the same thing against the saints . certainly not captain material . its no secret collingwood get favoured by the umps , the draw , the MRP etc . its not the amount of free kicks given , its the timing of them at critical times during games that gives you the gifts .
You got lucky last night , simple as that , we lost due to some inexperienced youth who will be better next year and wipe the floor with you .
im hoping for a cats win and someone gives maxwell a reason to go down , maybe the tommahawk screaming out at full tilt for a mark collecting him mid air . that would do nicely .

Just wandering if you thought Buddy or Puopolo desrved those free kicks within scoring range?, how about when one of your players not once, but twice tried to embed Dawe's spine into the MCG turf, how about the burgoyne throw? play on?, Sidders holding the ball when we were about to score?, grow up, you and most of your supporters are carrying on like babys, in fact, is this a Hawthorn trait?, no team in the comp sooks and whinges as much as you blokes when they lose.

 

[daics_35]

pfffft ! he aint no captain with his girly go downs .
lookin forward to seeing the tears next week after the cats win .

It burns doesnt it! We played terrible footy and still beat you hahaha Now piss off and cry to someone who cares.

 

[the distributer]

Hawks were ripped off

Hodge should have got a free in the last quarter, then straight after the pies got the softest 50.

Theere were also two blantant holding int he goalsquare when shepheding through a goal.

Also, the first goal you guys got was frm a 50 wasn't it?

Yeah, and Krakouer was the biggest mistake in the history of trading as well, wasn't he?, do you think the Frees to buddy and puopolo were there? or is that somehow different?

 

[Alexander323bc]

No one is mentioning the blatant block on Maxwell in the first by a Hawks player who was not watching the ball for Franklin to mark and goal? Much more blatant then the Davis one against franklin which he duly missed.

 

[the distributer]

No one is mentioning the blatant block on Maxwell in the first by a Hawks player who was not watching the ball for Franklin to mark and goal? Much more blatant then the Davis one against franklin which he duly missed.

Fact is the Hawks got 2 free kicks in front of goal that just were not there, blatent mistakes (Pouoplo/Franklin), and another Poupolo free was as soft as butter, apparently these don't matter though brother, fact is 90% of Hawthorn fans are sooks, you will never hear them say the better team won even when they get stiched up by 10 goals, they'll blame injurys/umpires anything except their own team.

 

[Checkside35]

just wondering if you think maxwell deserved the free kick when HE charged the hawk player and then went down like the girl he is ? . he also did the same thing against the saints . certainly not captain material . its no secret collingwood get favoured by the umps , the draw , the MRP etc . its not the amount of free kicks given , its the timing of them at critical times during games that gives you the gifts .
You got lucky last night , simple as that , we lost due to some inexperienced youth who will be better next year and wipe the floor with you .
im hoping for a cats win and someone gives maxwell a reason to go down , maybe the tommahawk screaming out at full tilt for a mark collecting him mid air . that would do nicely .

You were 17 points up, time to put the final nail in the coffin and you CHOKED! Thanks for yet another gift. Now f..k off!!!!

 

[reggie]

No one is mentioning the blatant block on Maxwell in the first by a Hawks player who was not watching the ball for Franklin to mark and goal? Much more blatant then the Davis one against franklin which he duly missed.

This^

Haven't seen a close match (especially a final) where some of the losing team's supporters haven't whinged about the umpiring - nothing new here...

 

[Ed D]

The umpiring was consistently poor the whole night. Umpiring decisions only get questioned late in the game when the scores are close.

The only thing that was lucky for the Pies was that they were still in the game at 3Q time.

 

[thecig]

Its starting to really remind me of this:
[youtube]Yn1xwu5h10Q[/youtube]

Although I remember quite a lot of Crows fans agreeing with the decision.

Last time I checked though we scored our last 3 goals from 2 boundary throw ins and one from an awesome pack mark. But no, it was just given to us **rollseyes**

 

[shanman]

Yep, that was probably the clearest one to me. Extremely lucky not to be called there.

The ump was probably up to speed on who he was dealing with. Taz was aiming to kick it through for a rushed behind and missed everything from 25m out - he's done it plenty of times as a forward so not that much of a stretch... but I agree, maybe it was so audacious that the ump thought it couldn't have been deliberate.

 

[shanman]

Fact is the Hawks got 2 free kicks in front of goal that just were not there, blatent mistakes (Pouoplo/Franklin), and another Poupolo free was as soft as butter, apparently these don't matter though brother, fact is 90% of Hawthorn fans are sooks, you will never hear them say the better team won even when they get stiched up by 10 goals, they'll blame injurys/umpires anything except their own team.

Yes, fast becoming one of my more hated teams due to their brattish attitude.

The game was a classic and if the Hawks won it no one would have said it was not deserved. We go the rub of the green late in the game, but the deficit we had to peg back could have been put down to things going their way - especially umpiring, for the bulk of the game. Still, I'd like to think that if we lost, the majority of our supporters would be gracious and savvy enough to understand that if you don't win it you lose.

Some nutcase, probably jef on a shiraz bender, is whining about maxwell...write it on a billboard and hold it at his weeks parade, wear the jacket... Maxwell is an inspiring leader, players and supporters fall in behind him, march on Maxy!

 

[hawkman]

Didn't think the umpiring was that bad, just a couple of decision i didn't like but most of them were 50/50 anyway. But in any close game like that i think many supporters go looking for someone else to blame other than their team.

I am sure if the result was reversed a lot of your supporters would be complaining about certain decisions like the Dawes 50 (personally i though he felt contact and tried to milk a 50), agree with you on the Dawes in the back though in the last.

BTW if you look carefully on the Burgoyne one he gets a handball out and then knocks it on

 

[shanman]

Didn't think the umpiring was that bad, just a couple of decision i didn't like but most of them were 50/50 anyway. But in any close game like that i think many supporters go looking for someone else to blame other than their team.

I am sure if the result was reversed a lot of your supporters would be complaining about certain decisions like the Dawes 50 (personally i though he felt contact and tried to milk a 50), agree with you on the Dawes in the back though in the last.

BTW if you look carefully on the Burgoyne one he gets a handball out and then knocks it on

Losses like that hurt a lot, so some leeway given, 24hrs has already seemed to calm a lot of the crazy talk down.

On the burgoyne disposal, you are describing a throw, from memory he open palmed it after it popped out... A correct disposal preceding an incorrect one does not negate it.

 

[shanman]

Its starting to really remind me of this:
[youtube]Yn1xwu5h10Q[/youtube]

Although I remember quite a lot of Crows fans agreeing with the decision.

Last time I checked though we scored our last 3 goals from 2 boundary throw ins and one from an awesome pack mark. But no, it was just given to us **rollseyes**

still funny after all these years. God bless jack, that goal will be the greatest thing he will ever do in his life.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The failure to pay a 50 against Sewell was a bad decision. It would have resulted in a shot from 45.

There were a few bad calls made all night against both teams. The Hodge was marginal - probably should have been paid - but he should have slotted a goal earlier from that exact spot so only has himlsef to blame.

The Puopolo one is a free every day. He dragged the ball in and made no attempt to clear it. He was too intent on trying to draw a free kick for high contact and lost concentration.

The Leigh Brown could have been paid but umpires have always shown latitude on goal-line shpeherds.

 

[hawkman]

Losses like that hurt a lot, so some leeway given, 24hrs has already seemed to calm a lot of the crazy talk down.

On the burgoyne disposal, you are describing a throw, from memory he open palmed it after it popped out... A correct disposal preceding an incorrect one does not negate it.

Not so sure, its one of those 50/50 ones for me that could have gone either way. Its gone though, you won, we lost. You can look forward to this week.

I would say good luck for next week, but there is no way i could ever want Collingwood to win!

 

[Jelly Bean]

Let's be honest, the umpiring wasn't great. It was against us early, and then seemed to swing around to be against the Hawks in the second half.

Alot of people on this board whinge about the umpires (particularly when they shouldn't) so cut the Hawks fans some slack for doing the same - I actuallly thought they were a little hard done by.

Dave the Man - you are probably one person who shouldn't equate outrage at umpiring with poor losers... Rarely a week goes by that you don't comment on them...

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

The umpiring was diabolical but it's just short shortsightedness from the Hawthorn fans and a case of sour grapes if they are using this as an excuse for their loss.

We were r*ped by the umps in the first half. They kept Hawthorn in the game in Q1. Later on we probably had the run of the green but nowhere near to the extend Hawthorn had it earlier.

The free paid against Dawes for infringing when his arms were up for a mark and a metre away from the contest was simply laughable. The non 50 against Sewell was embarrassing. The free for a hold against Davis when he wasn't touching the Hawthorn player was terrible.

Also to the guy questioning Maxwell's leadership, he was MUCH better than Hodge on Friday night who frankly looked out of his depth and burdened by the pressure to lead, as he often does in tight games where he's not allowed to skirt behind the packs and get easy disposals. He was also much better than Hodge in the first week of finals.

Hodge was sensational in one Grand Final and has a reputation as a finals specialist because of it.

Maxwell plays excellent, tough, leaders football in every finals game.

When you consider the disparity in talent between the two of them then this really does not reflect well on Hodge. Maxwell is not a tremendous footballer but a poor leader he is not and the pressure cooker he does love. Hodge is an excellent footballer who often struggles when the heat is on or the clamps are applied. Make of that what you will and compare their leadership ability accordingly.

 

[3kicks3goals]

Didn't think the umpiring was great, but very difficult game to umpire and it didn't make any difference to the result. Maybe Hawks wouldn't have gotten so many influential free kicks against if they didn't break the rules so often? (nah...couldn't be)

 

[Old Spice]

Didn't think the umpiring was that bad, just a couple of decision i didn't like but most of them were 50/50 anyway. But in any close game like that i think many supporters go looking for someone else to blame other than their team.

I am sure if the result was reversed a lot of your supporters would be complaining about certain decisions like the Dawes 50 (personally i though he felt contact and tried to milk a 50), agree with you on the Dawes in the back though in the last.

BTW if you look carefully on the Burgoyne one he gets a handball out and then knocks it on

Yeah, in the 2007 prelim I was not thrilled about the free kick against Clement in the dying seconds. But I never said 'the umpring' in general cost us the game.

On this one, I was surprised when I got home to see that it was a feature on the main board, with a bunch of malcontents from Hawthorn and raggle-taggle army of other accidental types making this claim, so I watched the 2nd half ahain last night, where supposedly the damage to Hawthorn was so glaring.

People has picked up on most already. But I'll have my say about a few.

The Tarrant kick wasn't made on a wing toward the boundary line, it was made near to goal and obviously Tarrant was trying to find a point. Why would he want a throw-in close to goal or possible free-kick in that situation? Anyone with 2 braincells would know he was going for a point and to reset.

The Leroy sheppard is so common in the game you wonder why it is an issue. It wasn't Leroy wrapping up Gibson, but both tussling. You can do that when you are in a position to mark. You could just as easily say Gibson was holding Leroy to prevent him from nabbing a mark on the goal-line as it was coming in.

The Puopolo free against Davis was just ludicrous. You couldn't ask anyone to defend without infringing any better. Puopolo went to ground, but was not ridden into the turf, nor did Davis chop the arms.

The Hodge free to me was nothing if not Logie material. Threw his head back and there was no hand/arm over the shoulder, just a Selwoodesque bit of shit theatre. Increasingly a disease in the game.

Now to mention some others. Blair was 'caught' in Hawthorn's fwd 50 after having a nano-second to dispose of it. It was too red-hot.

The other was Leroy being climbed all over in throw-ins. A couple of times Bailey had him almost in the wheelbarrow position. The day an umpire gives Leroy a free for being infringed upon in ruck duels is the day Razor's ball's drop. Can't see it happening.

In short, there were plenty of 50/50s and I've got no problem with people questioning decisions at all. It's a right if not a vicarious pleasure, but to say something as totalising as the umpires cost us the game, not some particular decisions as was done on the main board on Friday night is just shitful.

That's not to say that sometimes a whole day's umpiring doesn't belong in the sewer, but this just wasn't one of those occassions.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Hawks were ripped off

Hodge should have got a free in the last quarter, then straight after the pies got the softest 50.

Theere were also two blantant holding int he goalsquare when shepheding through a goal.

Also, the first goal you guys got was frm a 50 wasn't it?

what a crap post - bit rich to say the Hawks missed all these 'frees' but somehow any of the ones that should have gone our way werent there.

 

[Snoop Dog]

BTW if you look carefully on the Burgoyne one he gets a handball out and then knocks it on

i agree with that - it was 50:50 but so was the Hodge so called head high. If anything he brushed him and for me it was just play on.

 

[Shmoses]

The Tarrant kick wasn't made on a wing toward the boundary line, it was made near to goal and obviously Tarrant was trying to find a point. Why would he want a throw-in close to goal or possible free-kick in that situation? Anyone with 2 braincells would know he was going for a point and to reset.

I always that under the letter of the law this was still supposed to be a free kick

 

[Old Spice]

I always that under the letter of the law this was still supposed to be a free kick

There is no letter of the law with deliberate out of bounds, the law is always ejudicated in context. The context here was that Tarrant was 25 metres out from goal and was clearly seeking to kick a point. Why would he want to have a throw-in near goals rather than a point and possession.

 

[Swooop]

I always that under the letter of the law this was still supposed to be a free kick

Agree with Old Spice, clearly he was trying to kick a point...and missed.

Not sure the exact wording of the law, but you'd think there was something about deliberately getting the ball across the boundary line.

Tarrant's intent was not that, that's not where he aimed his kick.

I'm sure that's what the umpires thought as well.