How to fix the broken Pies...

[Adz]

This is 2014/15 all over again. Start the season well, top 4 at the halfway point then injuries hit and we fall into a heap playing ugly s**t football.

Not too dissimilar to the early Shaw years too.

 

[Aishole]

I’ve finally conceded - We aren’t a genuine premiership threat this year.

I said in round 3-4 - everyone settle... nothing to worry about ... if this is continuing in round 10+, then worry.

I said after that... just relax... we’ll be okay, it’ll come.

Well, its round 19 and it hasn’t, nothing has changed. Add to it - our injury list is the biggest in the league. Injuries definitely aren’t an excuse though, this shit brand of football was being played well before our injury list was 17 players long. It was just less obvious due to pure weight of star power on the field.

Its funny though, we rise up last year and the new Assistant coaches get praised for bringing change. Now we’re playing a shit brand again, and i don’t see anyone calling any of them out. Nathan Buckley cops it all. Its just funny to me.

I think we expected the competition to adapt, after making a GF you are the hunted (we are always that anyways though). I don’t think you can go into a new year after finishing 2nd and not make any chances... boy imagine if we came into this year and teams had found us out... and we had no plan B.

Teams find you out... Look at the Prelim. We had a few cracks earlier at the Tigers and whilst they looked invincible, we eventually found their gamestyle out.

We made changes, probably expecting teams to find a way to exploit our run and gun game style. It looks like we’ve focused too much on that ‘plan B’, ans as a result of that we’ve lost touch of that ‘plan A’.

An overcorrection. That overcorrection, has resulted in some poor footy, and now ultimately, a team lower on confidence.

You need confidence to play the way we did last year.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It's a little more complex than you suggest. You say the system shouldn't be personnel related but it would be naive to assume that you can add essentially Moore, Elliott, and Beams to the playing group that played finals last year and that there isn't a settling period, and you'd be naive to assume that constant changes to each line doesn't change the cohesion even if only a short term drop off. The old soldier out, soldier in mentality is great and you hope that the replacement can at a minimum play a role but you can't (for instance) replace top end talent like Langdon with someone like Quaynor or Noble without diluting the team as a whole.

Yeah not suggesting it's as simple as I put it and of course injuries to top line players has an impact. But there's no excuse for completely avoiding a game plan that worked to trying to emulate a control ball style - it's bizarre why we've gone this way.

Just on blue chip talent. Langdon. Before the 2018 season no one heard of him, he was a blue collar defender that just minded his man - now he has plaudits from all over the footy industry.

Reason? DEVELOPMENT we aren't a personnel rich team we are a system team (to put it simply) or should be, because we've developed soldiers to play a brand of footy or at least last year.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The coach has nfi.
Pretty obvious answer really.

That's a very simplistic answer, twas the coaches "vision" that nearly bagged us a flag. He and the panel deserve criticism for trying to change something that did not need fixing. But to suggest he has no idea is just salty and immature.

 

[Carringbush2010]

They were looking to find a magic bullet in data. The data said clubs score the majority of their goals from turnovers. Therefore we were going to be unbeatable if we played really safely with the ball and stopped committing turnovers. No more running as a swarm with handball. Turn it over in that situation and you cop a turnover goal against you.

The strategy kind of achieved its goal. We did stop goals from turnovers - Collingwood goals.

Yeah I get that and Pendles even suggested that it has been an over correction after the dogs game. I get that fixing up the turnovers is a good thing but turnovers were part of a really successful style of footy - it's the trade off.

Now we're looking down the barrel of missing finals altogether because of that. If we continue this way we may not win another game.

Good on you Collingwood, way to f*** up a window to a flag. FMD what is wrong with this club?

 

[Jonno94]

If we look at the last 5 years as a whole, this team isn't out of form, it just overachieved in 2018. The club needs a major revamp, but we wont be getting one.

 

[sr36]

Yeah I get that and Pendles even suggested that it has been an over correction after the dogs game. I get that fixing up the turnovers is a good thing but turnovers were part of a really successful style of footy - it's the trade off.

Now we're looking down the barrel of missing finals altogether because of that. If we continue this way we may not win another game.

Good on you Collingwood, way to f*** up a window to a flag. FMD what is wrong with this club?

It was unfathomably stupid. Our comparative adantage was that our mids were the best in the league at linking up by hand they used this to break liness and get it in quickly to fast skilful forward line that was dynamite in space.

It was a loser mentality of how do we avoid losing rather than how do we win.

The most bizarre thing is that Bucks said straight after the Grand Final that we lost it because we lost our dare in the second half and he was ****ing right.

 

[TKiL]

Yeah I get that and Pendles even suggested that it has been an over correction after the dogs game. I get that fixing up the turnovers is a good thing but turnovers were part of a really successful style of footy - it's the trade off.
Now we're looking down the barrel of missing finals altogether because of that. If we continue this way we may not win another game.
Good on you Collingwood, way to f*** up a window to a flag. FMD what is wrong with this club?

one thing being they don't think there's anything wrong - there can't be because we are the biggest, most well known, the AFL can't do without us, most recognisable brand (yuk), most number of "community outreach programs", most supporters in North Alaska, Guatelmala and Sierra Leone etc - no need to change anything...

PS - don't dare forget we won four flags in a row just after Hadrian's Wall was built

 

[Aishole]

Yeah not suggesting it's as simple as I put it and of course injuries to top line players has an impact. But there's no excuse for completely avoiding a game plan that worked to trying to emulate a control ball style - it's bizarre why we've gone this way.

Just on blue chip talent. Langdon. Before the 2018 season no one heard of him, he was a blue collar defender that just minded his man - now he has plaudits from all over the footy industry.

Reason? DEVELOPMENT we aren't a personnel rich team we are a system team (to put it simply) or should be, because we've developed soldiers to play a brand of footy or at least last year.

Thats false. He was noticed for his extremely cool head on debut v Freo rd 1 2014. I remember him selling candy to Ballantyne deep in defence being played on AFL360.

He went up a level in 2018, sure. But that does not mean he was invisible beforehand.

 

[TradeDraft]

Get a New President.Board Members and Footy Department

 

[caloschwaby]

Get a New President.Board Members and Footy Department

Let's get a new logo, jumper, team name and relocate to Tasmania while we're at it.

 

[TradeDraft]

Let's get a new logo, jumper, team name and relocate to Tasmania while we're at it.

Love It

 

[PiesUserName]

Buckley needs to grow the beard back...

 

[jackcass]

Yeah not suggesting it's as simple as I put it and of course injuries to top line players has an impact. But there's no excuse for completely avoiding a game plan that worked to trying to emulate a control ball style - it's bizarre why we've gone this way.

Just on blue chip talent. Langdon. Before the 2018 season no one heard of him, he was a blue collar defender that just minded his man - now he has plaudits from all over the footy industry.

Reason? DEVELOPMENT we aren't a personnel rich team we are a system team (to put it simply) or should be, because we've developed soldiers to play a brand of footy or at least last year.

Langdon was always highly rated by the industry, it was just a few supporters who couldn't get past the fact he wasn't perfect.

And I dont think there's been anything other than minor tweaking of the game plan, the issue is the application of it.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Langdon was always highly rated by the industry, it was just a few supporters who couldn't get past the fact he wasn't perfect.

And I dont think there's been anything other than minor tweaking of the game plan, the issue is the application of it.

What is your understanding of our gameplan? How has it been tweaked from last year?

 

[Help My Club]

If we look at the last 5 years as a whole, this team isn't out of form, it just overachieved in 2018. The club needs a major revamp, but we wont be getting one.

Agree on both fronts.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

If we look at the last 5 years as a whole, this team isn't out of form, it just overachieved in 2018. The club needs a major revamp, but we wont be getting one.

I think this is very relevant.

We won't be where we need to be until Ed is moved on, for starters.

 

[jackcass]

What is your understanding of our gameplan? How has it been tweaked from last year?

That it's the same as last year, with some minor tweaks. Just in a minor way.

 

[Help My Club]

I think this is very relevant.

We won't be where we need to be until Ed is moved on, for starters.

Also agree. But good luck with that one.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

That it's the same as last year, with some minor tweaks. Just in a minor way.

What are the tweaks?
Why, in your theory have we suddenly become unable to apply it properly this year when compared to last? This is despite having an extra 12 months to perfect it.

 

[legendstatus]

Pretty simple fix.

Have s full side fit to select from and


Fix the ****en centre clearance issues!!!!!!!!!!!


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[Robroy22]

Pretty simple fix.

Have s full side fit to select from and


Fix the fu**en centre clearance issues!!!!!!!!!!!


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TWO very good points

 

[jackcass]

What are the tweaks?
Why, in your theory have we suddenly become unable to apply it properly this year when compared to last? This is despite having an extra 12 months to perfect it.

I think the most significant changes were actually aimed at improving skills, footys involved in training from day 1 of preseason. I don't actually think the game plan the coaching staff would like us to be delivering has changed very much at all other than to accommodate preseason rule changes and personnel changes within the squad. It's as per what we watched v the Bears. Our issue with delivering on it is work rate.

 

[No SPIN]

If we look at the last 5 years as a whole, this team isn't out of form, it just overachieved in 2018. The club needs a major revamp, but we wont be getting one.

Complete bunkum.

You’re not gifted finals, top 4, or GF places. Our personal are dramatically different to 5 years ago as are the assistants.

And the review of 2017 brought results.

So no, the club doesn’t need s complete revamp - supporters like you need to chill, take a breath and think logically.

 

[No SPIN]

In what way is Ed the problem?