Howards first act with a senate majority?

[medusala]

The libs have alot of legislation that they have repeatedly introduced and repeatedly knocked back. Obviously he will have another crack at this legislation now.

I think the most important by far is to clear up the complete nonsense that is Native Title. It should be immediately extinguished on leasehold property and the right to negotiate eliminated. Prospecting would immediately pick up again and deposits worth potentially billions could get back on track. Will also stop the courts being clogged up.

He can leave 9th rate issues like banning gay marriage until he really cant think of anything else worthwhile.

 

[teams]

The libs have alot of legislation that they have repeatedly introduced and repeatedly knocked back. Obviously he will have another crack at this legislation now.

I think the most important by far is to clear up the complete nonsense that is Native Title. It should be immediately extinguished on leasehold property and the right to negotiate eliminated. Prospecting would immediately pick up again and deposits worth potentially billions could get back on track. Will also stop the courts being clogged up.

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Going to depend on the final senate numbers. Family First want the stolen generation apology.

 

[timelord]

Oh don't start with that right wing NFF scaremongering nonsense! It is perfectly feasible to have pastoral leases SUPERCEDE native title instead of extinguishing it - and it would have the same effect. Get prospecting! The difference is that the profits (if there are any) would need to be shared - and I think that's perfectly fair.

I expect that the first thing Howard will want through is the full sale of Telstra or the industrial relations changes. Take your pick.

 

[medusala]

Oh don't start with that right wing NFF scaremongering nonsense! It is perfectly feasible to have pastoral leases SUPERCEDE native title instead of extinguishing it - and it would have the same effect. Get prospecting! The difference is that the profits (if there are any) would need to be shared - and I think that's perfectly fair.
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The right to negotiate wont allow this though. Pastoralists would get royalties but aboriginals with a very low burden of proof have the right to negotiate with the mining companies. Its not scaremongering, you only have to look at the amount of exploration to see that its had a big effect.

It will have a far bigger effect on the economy than introducing secret ballots for strikes and getting rid of unfair dismissal laws for small business.

Going to depend on the final senate numbers. Family First want the stolen generation apology

They will have to wait for Costello.

 

[dr nick]

Telstra shares went up 15c today

 

[teams]

They will have to wait for Costello.

The point was first cab of the rank senate approved changes to native title under a Family First balance of power conundrum would be interwined with the other aboriginal issues.

 

[timelord]

The right to negotiate wont allow this though. Pastoralists would get royalties but aboriginals with a very low burden of proof have the right to negotiate with the mining companies. Its not scaremongering, you only have to look at the amount of exploration to see that its had a big effect.

It will have a far bigger effect on the economy than introducing secret ballots for strikes and getting rid of unfair dismissal laws for small business.

Don't underestimate the flexibility of the right to negotiate, Medusala! That's where the scaremongering comes in. The instant one talks about the negotiations, the right wing fools immediately jump up and scream "The Aborigines will want the lot!" when that is not the case at all! You sound like the militant unions and their objections to individual EBA's or AWA's (which I approve of within reason). Negotiated properly, there will be no effect on the economy, and therefore the industrial relations changes will be more important to it.

 

[Tim56]

Voluntary student unionism
Unfair dismissal - small business
Telstra
Disability pensions
Pharmaceutical Benefits
Union secret ballots
Cross media ownership

 

[timelord]

Voluntary student unionism

Isn't that already law?

 

[DaveW]

The Coalition had better hope they get that 4th senate seat up in Queensland. (I can't believe they're even in with a chance.)

Judging from Lateline tonight, Family First sure don't sound like economic rationalists.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Voluntary student unionism
Unfair dismissal - small business
Telstra
Disability pensions
Pharmaceutical Benefits
Union secret ballots
Cross media ownership

Tell me Tim what head of power in s51 of the Constitution can the Federal Government use to outlaw student organisations? Student organisations did not figure largely in the constitutional conventions in the last years of the 1890s

 

[timelord]

Hey, that's a thought!

 

[WA ROO]

Judging from Lateline tonight, Family First sure don't sound like economic rationalists.

I would like more information about this load of crackpots from what I hear they are a group of Harradines which is a worry

 

[Docker_Brat]

I would like more information about this load of crackpots from what I hear they are a group of Harradines which is a worry

But it's what the public wanted.

 

[DaveW]

More like what the Victorian branch of the ALP wanted.

 

[Docker_Brat]

More like what the Victorian branch of the ALP wanted.

Elucidate.

 

[medusala]

Don't underestimate the flexibility of the right to negotiate, Medusala! That's where the scaremongering comes in. The instant one talks about the negotiations, the right wing fools immediately jump up and scream "The Aborigines will want the lot!" when that is not the case at all! You sound like the militant unions and their objections to individual EBA's or AWA's (which I approve of within reason). Negotiated properly, there will be no effect on the economy, and therefore the industrial relations changes will be more important to it.

Exploration has significantly decreased due to the imposition of native title. This has nothing to do with "right wing fools" it is a statement based on fact. This has cost Australia alot of export earnings.

 

[Dry Rot]

The libs have alot of legislation that they have repeatedly introduced and repeatedly knocked back. Obviously he will have another crack at this legislation now.

I think the most important by far is to clear up the complete nonsense that is Native Title. It should be immediately extinguished on leasehold property and the right to negotiate eliminated. Prospecting would immediately pick up again and deposits worth potentially billions could get back on track. Will also stop the courts being clogged up.

He can leave 9th rate issues like banning gay marriage until he really cant think of anything else worthwhile.

If they need the suport of Family First, then this will be one of the silliest threads I've seen here for a while.

Check out who their leader is.

 

[timelord]

What has cost export earnings is the lack of willingness for pastoralists to negotiate - which is what clogs up the courts. That is what is stopping the exploration. And the reason why they won't negotiate is because of the right wing fools and their scaremongering.

 

[DaveW]

Elucidate.

Well Family First have only recieved a small amount of the primary vote. Which they'll build on with the preferences of a number of irrelevant minor parties. That's not enough to win a quota, it just puts them in the hunt.

What's expected to get them over the line is that fact that Labor's ticket sends preferences to Family First ahead of the Greens.

 

[medusala]

What has cost export earnings is the lack of willingness for pastoralists to negotiate - which is what clogs up the courts. That is what is stopping the exploration. And the reason why they won't negotiate is because of the right wing fools and their scaremongering.

Pastoralists refusing to negotiate with whom?

 

[timelord]

The Native Title holders.

 

[medusala]

If they need the suport of Family First, then this will be one of the silliest threads I've seen here for a while.

Check out who their leader is.

I would be amazed if the Democrats didnt start getting involved with senate negotiations. They have been replaced on the left, the only hope for them is to move to the centre (where their founder always intended them to be) and get themselves some publicity. Besides the Libs have long held hope that Murray would join them or become an independent. It will really ******** Bob Brown off if the Democrats still retain the effective balance of power.

 

[hoss]

I enjoy a bit of casual prospecting. I live in the Murchison goldfields in WA. What over the years has limited my chances to do some beeping?
1. Mining leases of large mining companies.
2. Pastoralists not wanting detectors or campers on "their" land.

Funnily enough, I've never been restricted by Native Title or blackfellas.

 

[medusala]

The Native Title holders.

Let me get this straight. You think mineral exports in the billions are lost because pastoralists wont negotiate with aboriginals? How could that be when the exploration rights are held by mining companies?